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April 16, 2007 - 06:44 PM on April 16th, 2007
Wow, this is hard to believe. I had at least 3 classes in Norris Hall. It’s so sad. Why?
Why shoot random students. I don’t even know what to say. I just keep thinking that Norris was such a lame little nothing of a building. It’s small and unimpressive. Why Norris. Why would anyone want to kill someone they don’t even know?
30+ people for nothing.
April 16, 2007 - 09:10 PM on April 16th, 2007
Zelda that’s way too close to home for you. What a tragedy. This just illustrates the dark, evil side of human nature.
April 16, 2007 - 09:23 PM on April 16th, 2007
Why??? I just don’t know….
April 16, 2007 - 10:19 PM on April 16th, 2007
And GOEORGE SOROS.MICHEAL BLOOMBURG,RICHARD DAILEY, and others will climb up on their soap boxes and claim it BILL CLINTONs gun ban had been extended this would never have happned JSUT WHAT WAS THE BACKGROUND OF THE KILLER?:eek:
April 16, 2007 - 10:33 PM on April 16th, 2007
Gun don’t kill people. Liberals and gun bans do! Besides, if liberals are so supportive of gun control, why do they need armed bodyguards and carry handguns themselves?
April 17, 2007 - 04:54 AM on April 17th, 2007
I surprised Mattias isn’t here blathering his uninformed nostrums.
We are coing to hear a lot of Barbara Streisand from people just licking their chops for this opportunity to minutely control other people’s lives. Just watch the Taliban like response to guns now.
This guy was no a US citizen. There is more. Maybe this guy should not have been allowed to enter the country. Will the gun grabbers get religion about border security now?
April 17, 2007 - 05:17 AM on April 17th, 2007
5- “Gun don’t kill people. Liberals and gun bans do!”
This is the most stupid thing I ever read on this site… what comes next? Black is white or PCD is the pseudonym of the Dalaih Lama or 33 victims is finally enough for Charlton Heston to reconsider his attitude…
Respect! Even PCD does not say such rubbish!!!
April 17, 2007 - 05:21 AM on April 17th, 2007
6- “This guy was no a US citizen. There is more. Maybe this guy should not have been allowed to enter the country.”
The guy is one half of the equation*… the gun(s) are the other half! Where and how did he get it? Did he steal them? Or did he just enter Walmart and buy it…
(*besides… what would be the filter to make sure that guys like this enter the US. He probably didn’t wear a shirt with the label “Killer” when he entered the country)
April 17, 2007 - 06:40 AM on April 17th, 2007
I haven’t read much about this tragedy, but do they know that the people he killed were strangers? The anti-gun argument doesn’t hold any weight here. If there were students and faculty armed do you really think this guy would have killed 30 people? Also if he couldn’t get a hold of a gun and he was intent on killing what’s to stop him from setting up a bomb and doing it that way instead?
April 17, 2007 - 06:40 AM on April 17th, 2007
7,8, Mattias, I just knew you’d reveal your stupidity and shallowness of thought. You have proven you know very little of our laws and customs. You prefer to pontificate from your utopian mind. Now GROU UP PUTZ!
1. We know nothing about this shooter. We don’t know if he was mentally diseased or what.
2. how did he get a gun. Legally, he’d have to wait a week to 2 weeks to take posession of the gun AFTER a background check. My guess is that he did not legally buy a gun. Which means Mattias that he didn’t just walk into a store and buy one. You have got to stop taking Michael Moore movies as gospel truth. They are Goebbels-esq lies. But fools, like Mattias, take them as the truth.
3. This shooter obviously planned this for some time as he has o case Vt and BUY the guns, ammo, and the chains he used to lock the doors of the hall. Zelda, who attended VT, can explain more about how easy it would be to seal off the Norris building by chaining the doors.
4. Would it make Mattias feel better if this bum used explosives like the train bombers used in Spain, or if he used a Machete, or if he used poison like Jim Jones used in Guyana?
Now, at this point, Mattias, IF I were you, I’d back off and only interject intelligent comments after LISTENING to more informed people from the US, and not the selfloathing Liberals you genuflect to.
April 17, 2007 - 07:21 AM on April 17th, 2007
Another point, THere are more guns in this country than Illegal Aliens. The libs tell us we can not round up all the Illegals and deport them, so just how are libs going to round up all the guns if they can’t round up the illegals???
Just how did a gun free zone protect VT?
Banning Liberalism would do as much good as banning guns. If we could ban mental disease and stupidity, we wouldn’t have liberals or criminals.
April 17, 2007 - 07:53 AM on April 17th, 2007
This tragedy has absolutely nothing to do with guns. It is about a deranged mind that for some reason went to extremes.
I have heard that HCI is now trying to exploit this for fund raising.
April 17, 2007 - 07:58 AM on April 17th, 2007
12, those lying Bradys will do anything for money. Gahenna upon them.
April 17, 2007 - 07:59 AM on April 17th, 2007
Virginia Tech was very proud of it’s announced status as a “gun-free zone”. But strangely enough, the gun prohibition didn’t stop the shooter. Why oh why???
Perhaps he didn’t see the signs? Perhaps, being a foreigner, he didn’t understand them? How could this be?
New laws and regulations are needed!!! VT should be declared a “double gun-free zone”!!! Or a “gun-free and we really mean it that means you too shooters” zone! Then it must be posted in every language so there is no possibility any non-native English speaker can fail to understand it!
(the above opinion is expressed on behalf of mentally-defective people everywhere)
April 17, 2007 - 08:05 AM on April 17th, 2007
I notice that every board I put the note that I expressed in #11, there are mo Libs spouting off.
April 17, 2007 - 08:33 AM on April 17th, 2007
Re 8 (matthias):
“The guy is one half of the equation*… the gun(s) are the other half!”
Absolutely incorrect. Guns have nothing top do with the “equation” (whatever that is supposed to mean).
It doesn’t matter if he strangled on person with his bare hands or made a bomb using common household cleaners to kill 100 people- people died because of the actions of a person.
The deaths are tragic. The fact that he used guns are irrelevant though.
April 17, 2007 - 08:34 AM on April 17th, 2007
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article413114.ece
It’s not just an American problem, though the rest of the world would like to pretend it is so.
“FOUR THOUSAND people have suffered shooting injuries in a single year as gun crime continues to rise across Britain.”
“Experts say the number of people admitted to hospital with gunshot injuries is much higher than those released by the government because many hospitals do not record the treatment of gunshot wounds, or the method of collecting data differs between hospitals.”
April 17, 2007 - 11:23 AM on April 17th, 2007
what most people are missing is this guy is from south Korea He came here to go to school on your money and wasn’t happy with his life so he started shooting white people because he wasn’t getting sex 24/7 what’s that all about?
The cops had 3 hours to find him but the cops didn’t want him for P.C. Reason.
see Alex Jones He has the pictures of the dead.
April 17, 2007 - 11:27 AM on April 17th, 2007
I suspect that yes, the shooter was a gun nut with mental problems.
South Korean perm resident who moved here with his parents when he was 8, so hardly a foreigner.
Apparently goes to dorm of girlfriend and has fight. An RA comes in to calm the situation. Suspect shoots them both. Leaves.
Two hours later, he enters Norris and chains the door(s) shut. Calmly enters classrooms and starts shooting. He’s wearing a black ammo vest and wielding two 9mm handguns.
He’s probably been planning this for some time, or at least expecting it was going to come down to this and prepared to go out with a bang. (pun intended)
April 17, 2007 - 11:48 AM on April 17th, 2007
Tofu,
This was cold and calculated. Again, what difference does the tool used to commit the crimes make? What if he just ran down people with a Hyundai or a Kia?
April 17, 2007 - 11:53 AM on April 17th, 2007
Well, I wasn’t debating the ‘tool’ used to commit the crimes. But if you want me to offer an answer, a gun is a ‘tool’ specifically designed for killing whereas a Hyundai is not.
April 17, 2007 - 11:58 AM on April 17th, 2007
21, Neither is a Boeing jetliner, but AlQaeda used them to kill 3,000 on 9/11 or are you still trying to forget that?
April 17, 2007 - 12:26 PM on April 17th, 2007
22- A Boeing has not the primary function to injure or kill- Guns do! There is no other considerable purpose to them…
April 17, 2007 - 12:32 PM on April 17th, 2007
Besides it is quite typical…
When I say that an idiot from Iraq that is displayed as a martyr on this site (similar to the way it is done with suicide bombers in the middle-east by radicals) is an idiot, everybody gets upset because I don’t share the “respect towards the dead hero”… but if some other idiot uses your holy right to carry firearms, there is not a single word of regret towards the 33 victims or their relatives..
God bless the armed & free American!!! Hell to the scum that stands in his way!!!
April 17, 2007 - 12:47 PM on April 17th, 2007
Okay.
Assuming that guns were made illegal, what the hell would that solve? Do you really think that people who would use a gun in a violent crime or not going to just because a gun is illegal to have? They would be doing something illegal anyway. However, making guns illegal would take a means of protecting themselves from law-abiding citizens.
And Matthias, could you please blather your filth elsewhere?
April 17, 2007 - 01:08 PM on April 17th, 2007
23, Mattias, you are a dense idiot. Oh, I forgot you excuse any Muslim who kills. They are just following the Quran.
Mattias, Do you advocate the banning of knifes? The banning of ropes? The banning of DiHydroMonoxide? They kill too.
April 17, 2007 - 01:31 PM on April 17th, 2007
God bless the armed & free American!!!
You finally got it right!
The armed man is able to provide for his own self-defense. The unarmed sheeple hide and cower behind doors, hoping that attackers don’t target them and able only to call 9-1-1 so the authorities can get there in time to clean up the mess.
April 17, 2007 - 01:33 PM on April 17th, 2007
25, 26- What none of you ignorant idiots understands is the amount of damage that can be done with a firearm compared to other weapons…
We all agree, that it is primarilly the looney that decides to run around and kill people, but it definitely makes a difference, if he “only” uses the kitchen knife (because he has no other choice) and has to get close enough to the people to stab them or if he comfortable only has to walk into the next supermarket, purchases a gun and kills dozens of people at a long range before getting stopped.
I mean, you don’t care either about all those rogue stateleaders in the world as long as they “only” have conventional tanks- you get nervous when they get WMDs! So for some reason that only you know: in that case it makes a difference what kind of murder tool is used and how easy/soon they get it!!!
April 17, 2007 - 01:36 PM on April 17th, 2007
Re 19:
I suspect that yes, the shooter was a gun nut with mental problems.
You suspect incorrectly. He was not a gun nut (recently purchased said firearms- still had receipt from what I understand), although it is suspected he had mental problems as he was on medication for depression.
He’s wearing a black ammo vest and wielding two 9mm handguns.
It was a 9 mm. and a 22. cal. But what he was carrying is insignificant. The hardware argument holds little water.
Re 24 (MAtthias):
“there is not a single word of regret towards the 33 victims or their relatives..”
Once again, absolutely incorrect. See post 16:
“The deaths are tragic.”
“God bless the armed & free American!!! Hell to the scum that stands in his way!!!”
Indeed- I agree 100%.
April 17, 2007 - 01:36 PM on April 17th, 2007
Liberalism is a WMD…it rots the mind, denies the soul, destroys the spirit of freedom.
April 17, 2007 - 01:39 PM on April 17th, 2007
27- Great Idea, Robert!
26.000 students with guns and only one of them is a (real) killer. I wonder, who would slaughter more innocent people- the students shooting at eachother or the police shooting potential criminals… Armageddon at Blacksburg and Machine Head’s “Davidian” as the soundtrack… Do you hear the antichrist grin? You have just proposed the start of the last judgement!!
April 17, 2007 - 01:41 PM on April 17th, 2007
“25, 26- What none of you ignorant idiots understands is the amount of damage that can be done with a firearm compared to other weapons…”
I can do a much higher amount of damage much more quickly using common household chemicals than I can with any firearms.
Do you know who Timothy McVeigh is?
As I said, the hardware debate holds little water. Whether is was a gun, a home made explosive, a car, an airliner or a spoon (in the case of Jeffery Damer) makes little difference.
April 17, 2007 - 01:45 PM on April 17th, 2007
29- ““The deaths are tragic.”
“God bless the armed & free American!!! Hell to the scum that stands in his way!!!”
Indeed- I agree 100%. “
I guess the deaths are only tragic to you because the show a slight image problem of liberal guns laws… And I guess, the shooter definitely shared you view on removing “the scum” that stands in the way of fire arms- and that even though he was not even an American!?
April 17, 2007 - 01:46 PM on April 17th, 2007
re 27:
“The armed man is able to provide for his own self-defense.”
This is correct- if only one teacher had a firearm and was licensed and train to use it, it would be unlikely that as many students or any would have been vitemized. The way to face evil is not to cower from it, but to face it head on.
April 17, 2007 - 01:50 PM on April 17th, 2007
28, you are the idiot. If I had the power, you would be permanently banned from visiting the US.
Mattias you are stupid and arrogant beyond belief. You can not reasou your way out of a wet paper bag.
I have told you that you can not just walk into a store in this country and walk out with a gun.
Ted is right about household chemicals being deadly. Simple floor cleaner and animal urine can make phosgene gas. Just how many can you kill with that. Or how about that nerve gas created by you Germans, Sarin. Ever hear how many were killed with that?
Mattias, it is time for you to shut your fat pig’s face.
April 17, 2007 - 01:51 PM on April 17th, 2007
33.
“I guess the deaths are only tragic to you because the show a slight image problem of liberal guns laws…”
You guess incorrectly. Gun laws have nothing to do with it. All human deaths are tragic.
However, it shows your lack of morals when you try to painta person in such a picture Matthias.
More Nazi-esque behavior on your part. What you just did to me is exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews.
“And I guess, the shooter definitely shared you view on removing “the scum” that stands in the way of fire arms.”
Again, you “guess” incorrectly, although I suspect you weren’t “guessing” as much as intentionally lying, like in the first part.
April 17, 2007 - 01:53 PM on April 17th, 2007
Already liberal wussietards are calling for more dumb gun control laws when its was acualy the gun control laws that lead to the incedent but you.ll never hear that from the left-wing news media:eek:
April 17, 2007 - 01:54 PM on April 17th, 2007
FYI, The South Korean embassy and government fears for South Korean and Korean Students at VT. The fear of retaliation by, and I’ll call them that, ignorant fools just because they are Korean like the shooter.
I wish I were closer. I’d be standing guard outside of any dorm that requested such a service. By the way, my middle daugher’s given name is Sung-Mee.
April 17, 2007 - 01:57 PM on April 17th, 2007
32- So what a surpise that you see so many so many crimes being committed with household chemicals, huge passengers aircrafts or a spoon.
I mean, each week I see some thriller on TV with a fiend robbing a drugstore and threatening the owner with a spoon… and not to forget the special training that the policemen receive on “how to protect the citizens from criminals throwing boeings on them” (and how to prevent yourself from this by carrying a Smith&Wesson) and not to forget last weeks case when the federal bank was robbed by vicious housewifes that were heavenly armed with sponges and Fairy Ultra
April 17, 2007 - 02:02 PM on April 17th, 2007
35- “Ted is right about household chemicals being deadly. Simple floor cleaner and animal urine can make phosgene gas. Just how many can you kill with that. Or how about that nerve gas created by you Germans, Sarin. Ever hear how many were killed with that?”
How many Amok runs have been done with household chemicals based gas/explosives compared to those being committed with firearms? May I get an answer to this from you PCD or you Ted?
April 17, 2007 - 02:02 PM on April 17th, 2007
39, Personally, I prefer a Freedom Arms 757 in .475 Linebaugh. That id big enough to vaporize even your fat head, Mattias. What you going to do about it?
April 17, 2007 - 02:04 PM on April 17th, 2007
40, For starters, there was the Sarin gas attack in the Tokyo subway. That is one, Mattias. Now, how many of your relatives did nothing after Krystalnacht?
April 17, 2007 - 02:09 PM on April 17th, 2007
41- Did you ever consider visiting a professional? (I think, I already asked that some time before)
You nourish a certain stereotype, that might be slighty embarrassing to some of the (whatever that may mean) intelligent conservatives that post here…
April 17, 2007 - 02:11 PM on April 17th, 2007
Mattias, you are perverted and sick soul. You are trying to make political statments out of this tragedy. You try to make your idiot points instead of wondering why such a sick boy was not spotted and taken care of.
You are silent at the thought of people being persecuted just because they are Korean like the shooter.
You are more than an idiot. You are braindead and not really a member of the human race.
April 17, 2007 - 02:14 PM on April 17th, 2007
43, Id we ever hear you were accosted and beaten to death, Mattias, we will know you had provoked it with your mouth.
April 17, 2007 - 02:21 PM on April 17th, 2007
45- “Id we ever hear you were accosted and beaten to death, Mattias, we will know you had provoked it with your mouth.”
..compared to the poor people in Blacksburg, I would at least die for some reason coming from myself and not simply because of the life-threatening ignorance of US conservatives towards gun laws!
April 17, 2007 - 02:25 PM on April 17th, 2007
46, Mattias, no, you demosstrate not only ignorance, callousness, and arrogance, but total stupidity. We are not ignorant of gun laws. YOU ARE!
People like you ENABLED HITLER and the NAZIS!
April 17, 2007 - 02:39 PM on April 17th, 2007
48- “People like you ENABLED HITLER and the NAZIS!”
If I were, I wouldn’t speak against G.W. Bush and the Neocons..
April 17, 2007 - 02:41 PM on April 17th, 2007
48, no, you fool. You enable the Nazis and the Islamofascists of the world. You are not worth listening to. You are lucky to be able to be such a fool and such a disgrace to your family.
April 17, 2007 - 02:42 PM on April 17th, 2007
“Zelda, who attended VT, can explain more about how easy it would be to seal off the Norris building by chaining the doors.”
With a chain and a lock it wouldn’t take anytime at all to lock those doors. VT chains various doors shut all the time on nights and weekends.
April 17, 2007 - 02:45 PM on April 17th, 2007
I don’t know of any law or regulation that would have stopped this guy. Guns are never going to be banned out of existence in America. It’s just not a realistic notion.
April 17, 2007 - 02:56 PM on April 17th, 2007
And Matthias and his ilk have not got it through their heads (and probably never will) that gun control laws made this shooting easy. And there’s his crazy idea (and I’ve seen it elsewhere) that if the students had been permitted to have guns, they would all have had guns, and been firing all around carelessly. Only a few would have had them - and the gunman would have been taken down before 30 people were killed. My great-nephew is a nurse at Roanoke Memorial Hospital, and he came home last night after 8 hours in the ER assisting in surgery on one of the victims. She had no ID on her, as was the case many of the dead & wounded, so there are many sets of parents who don’t know yet whether or not their children live.
April 17, 2007 - 02:59 PM on April 17th, 2007
I guess the deaths are only tragic to you because the show a slight image problem of liberal guns laws… And I guess, the shooter definitely shared you view on removing “the scum” that stands in the way of fire arms…
You are the only one who said/expressed any of that.
April 17, 2007 - 03:30 PM on April 17th, 2007
52- “Only a few would have had them - and the gunman would have been taken down before 30 people were killed.”
Susanna, if you would have had in your country such strict gun laws as my city has, there had been no gunman at all!!! No reason for anybody to shoot anyone… There is no other western country in the world with such many victims of fire arms abuse as the United States of America!
Besides it is just another ridiculous Neocon-contradiction that the same people who claim, that it is justified to imprison “illegal combatants” at Guantanamo because they did not wear a proper uniform on one hand and on the other hand promote self justice with anybody (American) becoming a self-appointed SWAT-specialist who is able to act under exceptional circumstances!
April 17, 2007 - 03:40 PM on April 17th, 2007
55- And just to wipe away this silly myth about civilians doing the job of educated special policemen, here is my clear question to any of you small Schwarzeneggers:
If you know there is a killing madman running around and you see a civilian shooting at another civilian and you have a gun to do something- which one of the two is the killer? The one who shot, because he is still alive or the dead one who might just have been stopped by some other “civilian” interceptor?
Does any of you have a clear answer which is worth betting your own or somebody else innocent life for?
April 17, 2007 - 03:52 PM on April 17th, 2007
52 Susanna you are absolutely right. I have carried in public for years (legal) and I have more than 30 years firearms training and experience (military and LE).
Since 9/11 I carry almost all the time. If I am ever in a public place and some shooter starts up, I will take him out. I won’t care at all what his problem is, if it is personal or political and it really wouldn’t matter anyway. All I care about is that it will stop and I will refuse to let him victimize anyone else after I have cleared leather and I am sending rounds downrange.
I have been trained in Active Shhoter-First Responder tactics and whenever I hear about a tragedy such as the VT shooting I first feel sickened and disgusted, then empathy for the victims and their families, followed by regret that I was not there to stop it.
The reality of that, that one argument alone, renders all of the arguments against concealed carry moot.
April 17, 2007 - 04:04 PM on April 17th, 2007
56- Robert,
if you take out your gun to be ready to stop a mad murderer in a university building, how could even a policeman be able to visually recognize the difference between you and the real killer? Do you also always carry a badge with you that says “Good guy- please don’t shoot me!”?
April 17, 2007 - 04:11 PM on April 17th, 2007
Re 39:
“32- So what a surpise that you see so many so many crimes being committed with household chemicals, huge passengers aircrafts or a spoon.”
Actually, more crimes are commited by people not armed with guns than those who are armed with guns.
“How many Amok runs have been done with household chemicals based gas/explosives compared to those being committed with firearms?”
I’ve named three of the most notorious crimes ever committed in America with those examples.
With those chemicals, 5 times more people were killed than was killed at VTech. What you seem to not understand that problems has nothing to do with what those people weer killed with.
Now read this Matthias- because it is important.
Make sure you understand this.
Those liberal gun control laws you endorse- there is no data that suggests that there is causation of between implementation of gun control laws and reduction is gun based crimes. And under the scientific premise that corelation does not equal causation, it has been now established that there isn’t even corelation.
It’s about even.
April 17, 2007 - 04:13 PM on April 17th, 2007
“if you take out your gun to be ready to stop a mad murderer in a university building, how could even a policeman be able to visually recognize the difference between you and the real killer?”
When the police arrive, you simply obey their instruction- you drop your weapon and place your hands in the air.
April 17, 2007 - 04:15 PM on April 17th, 2007
Re 51 (Zelda)
“I don’t know of any law or regulation that would have stopped this guy. Guns are never going to be banned out of existence in America. It’s just not a realistic notion.”
Commons sense- thanks you!
April 17, 2007 - 04:23 PM on April 17th, 2007
If you know there is a killing madman running around and you see a civilian shooting at another civilian and you have a gun to do something- which one of the two is the killer? The one who shot, because he is still alive or the dead one who might just have been stopped by some other “civilian” interceptor?
The fallacy of this often-used argument is that you can always come up with endless “what ifs” to argue against action that has a very good probability of success. If you allow “what ifs” to paralyze your thinking and ability to make a decision you will never be able to make a rational decision.
Think about this: what if ___________ (fill in the blank and the probability). Problem is that it is a certainty (probability = 100% for you math gurus) if you don’t act aggressively more innocent people will die.
April 17, 2007 - 04:26 PM on April 17th, 2007
Yes #51 Zelda thank you for injecting plain common sense. Like it or not it is the reality we face.
Those who think we can ever completely eliminate weapons, even if we all decided to, should look at the great success of the war on drugs in that regard. They can’t even keep drugs out of prisons.
April 17, 2007 - 04:28 PM on April 17th, 2007
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0204/26/i_ins.01.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1952869.stm
54-”Susanna, if you would have had in your country such strict gun laws as my city has, there had been no gunman at all!!! No reason for anybody to shoot anyone…
Funny, I thought someone said you were from Germany, where according to the articles I linked to above:
“Students at the Guttenberg High School in the eastern German town of Erfurt had gathered to sit for their final exams in silence. But that silence was broken by gunfire as a former student with a grudge stalked the corridors.
When it was over, the 19 year old and killed 14 staff members, 2 students, a police officer and himself.”
I guess those gun laws aren’t as effective as you think. Shall I bother to mention some of the other shootings recently, such as March 2000 in Branneburg, Germany? Perhaps you recall the one on Feb. 19, 2002 Freising, Germany? My goodness one might think Germany is a dangerous country with their gun culture and loonies running around.
April 17, 2007 - 04:40 PM on April 17th, 2007
59- “When the police arrive, you simply obey their instruction- you drop your weapon and place your hands in the air.”
SWAT-Snipers don’t give instructions- they shoot when they have a clear target!
And regarding your “statistics” on firearms- and non-firarms incidents, I wonder if you have any statistics on that… As far as I know from my country (German Federal Police Statistics: http://www.bka.de/pks/pks2005/p_2_1_4.pdf ) there were in 2005 around 14,000 offenses in which in any way the use of firearms was involved- that at a population of around 80 million citizens in Germany.
From what I see on this page:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_15.html
I see that nearly 140,000 “Aggravated assaults” were reported with the use of firearms… Now tell: How does it come that with only 3-4 times more population you get a ten times higher amount of criminal incidents with firearms being involved??? Havn’t there been not enough civilian Rambos around to prevent those?