UPDATE: Video: Olbermann blames Bush for Virginia Tech massacre…….Cho Seung-Hui;warned, “im going to kill people at vtech today”
By: Pam On: Apr/17/07 - 47 Comments
Ian has this video, transcript below:
Transcript:
At least one of the weapons used by the shooter is believed, as we said, to be in nine millimeter semi-automatic pistol, which would be like this one, with a clip designed to hold more than 10 shots. Clips like those were banned under the Assault Weapons Law of 1994, but Congress and President Bush allowed that law to expire more than two years ago.
HotAir has a great roundup of the latest details of this senseless massacre.
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Blaming the Victims … Because They’re Total Wusses
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- DPRK Studies
- Mary Katharine Ham
- JammieWearingFool
- Virginia Tech Killer Identified « tmq2
- Webloggin
- Webloggin – News and Commentary on Politics, Media and Culture
- Sister Toldjah » Virginia Tech massacre: Yesterday’s heros (MULTIPLE UPDATES)
- Staunton News
- Asteroid » Blog Archive » The real threat
- Michelle Malkin
- Ed Driscoll.com
- Captain’s Quarters
- Ismail Ax? at Conservative Times–Republican GOP news source.
- Virginia Tech Gunman was Student » The American Mind
- Prayers for Virginia Tech Victims and Families « Blogs 4 Brownback
- 186k Per Second » Very eerie Similarities
- Ace of Spades HQ
- Bitaites » O atirador é este
- Virginia Tech: Deadliest Campus Shooting In U.S. History. : “7.62mm Justice” â„¢
- You Caused Me to Do This” « Michael P.F. van der Galiën
- Three Br0thers
- Cop The Truth
- Turning 25 » Why was he still there?
- Turning 25 » Assorted thoughts on the day after
- Turning 25 » It’s because they’re taught to just do as they’re told
- Riehl World View
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April 17, 2007 - 05:12 PM on April 17th, 2007
[...] Right Voices – Video: Olbermann blames Bush for Virginia Tech massacre [...]
April 17, 2007 - 05:43 PM on April 17th, 2007
Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!! Clips like those were banned under the Assault Weapons Law of 1994, but Congress and President Bush allowed that law to expire more than two years ago.
And if that prohibition would have been in place, surely the shooter would have complied with it! Yes he would! He would have obeyed that law! Yes! And it’s Bush’s fault!!! Yes!!!
Good God! The stupidity of these people is almost beyond description!
April 17, 2007 - 06:03 PM on April 17th, 2007
I can’t believe the Libs are using this tragedy to further their anti-gun agenda. It turns my stomache. Is nothing sacred. If anything this should prove that gun control doesn’t work – obviously the respectible students obeyed the rules and didn’t bring guns to school. Only the bad guy had a gun! They don’t follow rules!!! Or do they think he wouldn’t have been able to buy one! Even the security guards didn’t have guns!!!! How things could have gone a lot differently if one security guard could have shot the bastard. It just boggles the mind.
April 17, 2007 - 10:46 PM on April 17th, 2007
A radio talk show host here challenged all of the Gun Control people to show the courage of their convictions by putting a sign in their front yards saying that they don’t believe in guns and therefore don’t own any. I doubt anyone will take him up on it.
The whole idea of a “weapons free zone” is idiotic. Why not just change the sign to say the truth. “Unarmed Victim Zone” or “Defenseless Victim Zone”. Why do I have a feeling that people might be a little more leery of sending their kids to a school with either of those signs out front? I’m a firm believer in defending yourself because noone else values your life as much as you do.
April 18, 2007 - 01:13 AM on April 18th, 2007
How many more of these shootings by gun nuts do we have to have before the people rise up and say enough! I join HCI and all responsible organizations and leaders who are calling not just for more restrictions but for a total ban on all firearms!
And Olberman is right, but not completely right: It is Bush, the Republicans, the NRA and the Gun Lobby’s fault this happened! The Federal assault weapon ban, which Bush and the others allowed to expire three years ago, would have prevented this had it still been in place!
Europe as usual is far more civilized and far more advanced in societal evolution towards a gun-free, fear-free, crime-free civilization!
Senator Feinstein, who has personally expressed her loathing of guns, seems to be ready to assume leadership in the national debate which will now follow this shooting! Support Sen. Feinstein! The 2nd Amendment may have to be repealed to sweep away the last vestiges of the irrational fascination right-wing nuts have with guns! I think the Democratic Party is now ready to resume their agenda in this direction, so support them!
Now if the Fairness Doctrine was only in place, we might be able to get all of this done faster and easier. The moderating influence of the Fairness Doctrine in public discussion, specifically on the airwaves, would be a very progressive way to keep the debate on track and moving in the direction we need to keep it going.
The right wingnuts must be opposed and shut down. They are impeding the evolution of this nation along the path tread by our European friends, the progressive path to a better future!
April 18, 2007 - 04:40 AM on April 18th, 2007
Lenny, you need to be deported to Zimbabwe immediately. YOu are a cancer upon this great nation.
April 18, 2007 - 06:30 AM on April 18th, 2007
“tread by our European friends”
Are you HIGH?
Do you honestly think there are NO GUNS in Europe? If you want one just find some Russian dude and he’ll HOOK YOU RIGHT UP.
These folks in Europe are a violent lot so don’t think everyone over here is sipping wine and eating cheese and holding hands.
Europe has it’s OWN problems….and they DO HAVE GUNS over here. There are many many men in my village who own weapons. It is very expensive for them to do it legally but they LOVE TO HUNT around these parts so they got some guns.
Just don’t get too high on your horse about Europe and how Americans should be MORE LIKE THEM….
Ugh.
April 18, 2007 - 06:38 AM on April 18th, 2007
6, Sandy, Are you in Germany? If so, would you like to introduce Mattias to some of these hunters? He may get an education that hiding in his basement listening to his Imam’s hate the Jews speech won’t deliver.
April 18, 2007 - 06:44 AM on April 18th, 2007
Lenny, Do you really believe that there are no Democrats with guns, the Mafia votes Democratic!!! You are so naive it is a good thing you have the “gun toting Military to protect your rights, and I wonder how long it would take you to dial 911 to call the “Gun toting” Police to save you if confronted with a bad guy who doesn’t respect the rules and has a gun aiming right at your temple. Get your head out of the sand. You cannot disarm 300 million people. Hey Lenny you Libs kill innocent unborn babies with no conscience whatsoever, but you have a problem with defending ourselves???????
April 18, 2007 - 06:45 AM on April 18th, 2007
7- Yes she is…
April 18, 2007 - 07:05 AM on April 18th, 2007
6-Yep sure am and a few monthes ago we had some “turks” up here trying to steal everyone’s “iron”. Usually we donate what we want to give but I guess these guys wanted more so they tried to steal some bicycles. They had knives and they actually stabbed a German guy up here who tried to stop him. A german with a GUN stopped the turk.
But no….we never have VIOLENCE in Europe.
It’s always 100% SAFE..
(yeah right)
April 18, 2007 - 07:20 AM on April 18th, 2007
10, you would not have seen Mattias trying to stop the theft or trying to apprehend the Turk. Mattias may have tried to help the Turk because he’s a fellow Quran following Muslim.
April 18, 2007 - 07:39 AM on April 18th, 2007
Well..not to hijack this thread and make it become something else but for those Americans who truly want the good ole’ U.S.A to be more like Europe need to pull their heads out of the sand.
I think Europe has a problem with their teens and the drinking. It’s totally okay for these kids at 16 yrs of age to buy booze and we just had one die recently…after 48 shots of tequila. First the coma then the death.
Europeans okay kids having SEX alot younger than we do. France has a huge problem with child pornography and sex crimes against children.
Do we want that in our home country? I think not.
I haven’t met one single German who is okay with their OUTRAGEOUS taxes and they all HATE the Euro. Most countries do not like the change in their currency and they are suffering from it. Germany is experiencing some harsh unemployment right now.
France was sooo bad last year we wouldn’t even go visit because of their rioting.
Europe has serious problems and alot of them are religious problems also.
This ain’t no damn picnic over here.
I don’t want their problems and I doubt most Americans do either.
April 18, 2007 - 07:42 AM on April 18th, 2007
Senator Feinstein, who has personally expressed her loathing of guns, seems to be ready to assume leadership in the national debate which will now follow this shooting! Support Sen. Feinstein!
Senator Feinstein is an evil, corrupt, degenerate hypocrite. Even as she worked to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans she had a CCW. She only dropped it when her hypocrisy was exposed.
Perhaps she welcomes this tragedy as an opportunity to divert attention away from her own recent scandalous, corrupt behavior (although the Democrites and MSM have shown no inclination to expose her corruption anyway). DiFi should be investigated, tried, and imprisoned.
How many more examples of Liberal mental illness do we need before America wakes up and recognizes Liberalism for what it is? A mental illness!
April 18, 2007 - 07:59 AM on April 18th, 2007
Yeah these liberals will blame everuone but the hood firing the weapon they will call for more stupid gun control laws perhapes like all liberal wussietards they will want to take the shoes of the victims and lay them somewhere and say WE NEED TO PASS MORE GUN CONTROL LAWS WE NEED TO BAN ALL GUNS AND REPEAL THE 2ND AMENDMENT knowing how stupid these people are i mean some are already trying to blame video games or some will probibly blame his parents becuase liberals are so stupid and rediclous:roll:
April 18, 2007 - 08:06 AM on April 18th, 2007
Olbermann is another mentally-ill Leftist who is so consumed with hatred for Bush that he now sees every issue that comes along in terms of how it relates to Bush in the dark, narrow, twisted labyrinth of his diseased mind.
He is yet another of the many anecdotal examples that demonstrate Liberalism is, indeed, a form of mental illness.
April 18, 2007 - 08:12 AM on April 18th, 2007
#3 this is similar to the challenge a couple of years ago to Leftist students at the University of California, Berkeley who were so adamant in their support for more affirmative action. The leader of the young Republicans on campus (yes, there is such an organization!) challenged the white affirmative action activists publicly by calling on them to volunteer to give up their spot so that a minority student could take it, fulfilling their stated goal of more affirmative action. Not one taker.
These spineless hypocrite loudmouths of course didn’t want affirmative action to infringe on them, just other people…
April 18, 2007 - 08:48 AM on April 18th, 2007
12 – When Feinstein got a “gun return” initiated, she set the example – by giving up the smaller of her 2 guns.
April 18, 2007 - 08:48 AM on April 18th, 2007
I should have said, the smaller caliber . . .
April 18, 2007 - 09:07 AM on April 18th, 2007
This behavior is always a possibility for any of us that live our lives according to our own design and get submerged into our own obsessions.
Our lives were meant to be meaningful beyond the pursuit of our own comfort and pleasures. We were supposed to be reconnecting back to our one source and Creator to be led into a life of purpose according to His already established design.
A life of looking out after one another; a life of caring about our home planet; a selfless life dedicated to the good of others and to the uplifting of humans like this student. As humans, we probably failed to be of benefit to him when we had a chance.
I’d like to see us allowing Christian fellowships on campus, and other groups like it, more freedom in expressing their ministry potential so that they perhaps could reach such troubled souls sooner with God’s love. This is not a call to pursuit religion but the one that was killed by it.
Lets not remain strangers.:wink:
April 18, 2007 - 01:18 PM on April 18th, 2007
Folks,
what I don’t understand is that you defend such passionately a law which is based upon a british law of 1689 and gives me the impression to be nothing than a “we don’t have lasting confidence in the inner stability of our state and the executive organs”-case rule…
I mean, that thing was created, at a time when in France people were chopping their heads off (also for the sake of Freedom and Democracy)!?
April 18, 2007 - 01:43 PM on April 18th, 2007
Mattias,
The 2nd amendment is a safeguard against our government being taken over by know-it-alls like you who do not value other people’s freedoms and would take away those freedoms and any thing else you pleased because you are a miserable so and so who can’t manage your own life and need to screw up everyone elses.
April 18, 2007 - 03:45 PM on April 18th, 2007
… a law which is based upon a british law of 1689…
Huh? The right to bear arms, intrinsic with the right to self-defense, is not based on any act of monarchy, or judicial precedence.
It is a natural right, also known as a God-given right, that was recognized by the Founders of America to be an intrinsic and essential component of Liberty.
You do not seem to be able to understand this concept.
April 18, 2007 - 07:46 PM on April 18th, 2007
Matthias, They are still chopping off heads in barbaric parts of the world by the way. That said, England outlawed guns in England after the patriots in America fought them and won. They didn’t want to take that chance in their country. Good luck outlawing guns in a country this size, it is a lot different than in merry ole England where the cops carry billy clubs. Wonder how those would work on the streets of Chicago or New York. Not too good.
April 19, 2007 - 12:58 AM on April 19th, 2007
The amount of impact the “assault weapons ban” would’ve had in this case would’ve been negligible. The murderer would’ve simply carried more magazines. What’s the difference between him having 10 (un pc) fifteen round magazines and him having 15 (PC) ten round round ones? The extra 15 seconds that he may have to expend to reload that extra five times? The whole “assault weapons/ high capacity mags” argument has absolutely nothing to do with reducing crime. It simply has no impact. When Chicago banned “assault weapons” inside the city limits, they touted that they had no crimes involving the banned “assault” weapons the year following the ban. They just happened to leave out that they hadn’t had any the year BEFORE the ban either. Basically the ban was a pointless feel good measure that accomplished nothing except cause law abiding people to have to get rid of their personal property or have it confiscated by the city.
Sort of like the portion of the McClure Volkmer act that banned the legal manufacture or importation of fully automatic weapons for sale to the public. No legally owned fully automatic weapon had been used in the commission of a crime in the 52 years since they first began registering them in 1934, so exactly who was the law going to impact? It managed to drive the prices of World War II relics beyond the reach of all but the wealthiest of gun collectors. For those who have never fired a fully automatic weapon, go rent one and get some instruction on its use at a range. They’re a lot of fun to fire. Expensive as hell to shoot, but still fun.
April 19, 2007 - 12:15 PM on April 19th, 2007
22- “It is a natural right, also known as a God-given right, that was recognized by the Founders of America to be an intrinsic and essential component of Liberty.”
I agree that each man has a natural right to defend himself when somebody threatens his life or health, but I think that the 2nd Amendment had a quite specific purpose that was valid around the time that is was created. If you interpret it as a kind of firearm-based self-justice right to protect against crime, you are assigning a completely different sense to it- criminals act for their own reasons and not to destabilize the American liberty or democratic order.
April 19, 2007 - 12:24 PM on April 19th, 2007
23- “That said, England outlawed guns in England after the patriots in America fought them and won. They didn’t want to take that chance in their country. Good luck outlawing guns in a country this size, it is a lot different than in merry ole England where the cops carry billy clubs.”
Oh come on…
You are able to shoot away with a laser-guided bomb a fly off of Saddam’s ass in Iraq and fly people to the moon, but have to rely on civilians to defend themselves in the suburbs of Chicago?! In London and Berlin there are also areas where you may not want to go after dusk… but if there is a problem like social inequity motivated violence, I think saying “allow the people to somehow get along themselves with the situation” is no solution but simply a kind of surrender.
April 19, 2007 - 12:29 PM on April 19th, 2007
25 & 26. Mattias, you are full of crap. You know nothing, yet continue to pontificate as an expert. Just take your pig face back to the mosque and pray Allah protects you from the bad Karma you’ve built up.
April 19, 2007 - 12:35 PM on April 19th, 2007
…but I think that the 2nd Amendment had a quite specific purpose that was valid around the time that is was created.
No, their intent was general.
April 19, 2007 - 12:48 PM on April 19th, 2007
28-
This link here (http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt2_user.html#amdt2_hd2) says:
In spite of extensive recent discussion and much legislative action with respect to regulation of the purchase, possession, and transportation of firearms, as well as proposals to substantially curtail ownership of firearms, there is no definitive resolution by the courts of just what right the Second Amendment protects. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, are an “individual rights”thesis whereby individuals are protected in ownership, possession, and transportation, and a “states’ rights”thesis whereby it is said the purpose of the clause is to protect the States in their authority to maintain formal, organized militia units.1 Whatever the Amendment may mean, it is a bar only to federal action, not extending to state2 or private3 restraints. The Supreme Court has given effect to the dependent clause of the Amendment in the only case in which it has tested a congressional enactment against the constitutional prohibition, seeming to affirm individual protection but only in the context of the maintenance of a militia or other such public force.
…but I guess you’ll be able to provide some similar page from Austin(Tx)-University which says that the law only has the reason to enable private people to have guns for any reason…
April 19, 2007 - 03:00 PM on April 19th, 2007
Re 29:
Wow- you really need to work on your mastery of the language.
Now, let me give you a lesson in US Constitutional law.
The first part of the Constitution, referred to as the the Preamble and The Articles, defined the purpose of the Constitution, the federal government breanchesand how those branches are to operate.
The second part is what we are interested in for it contain the second amendment which we are discussing. That is called the Bill of Rights (as in, the rights of the citizens of the United states such as free speech, free press, freedom of religion), and are Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution. As you say quoted, all of those amendments to a word limit the powers of the federal governemet as to how the can act toward the citizenry of the United States.
Now, pay attention because this is where you went off track. They in no way decrie state’s rights. Thus, just like a state can not infringe upon an individual’s right to free speech within tolerarable standards, a state can not infringe upon an individuals right’s to bear arms within tolerable statndards.
Speaking specifically to the second amendment- do you know what a militia is? It is not a formal army, but a fighting force made up of local self-armed citizens with a loose command structure.
only within the last 50 or 60 years of our history has the SCOTUS began examining the Second Amendment of the Constitution as a state rights standpoint, but historically that just isn’t the case!
April 19, 2007 - 03:29 PM on April 19th, 2007
matthias, how’d you like reading the Armed Citizen page I linked for you in another thread? You did read it, right? That was the one that listed actual newspaper accts of instances where guns were used by citizens to stop crimes.
You know, there are about 4-5 times the number of instances in the U.S. every year where guns are used to prevent/stop crimes than the number of crimes carried out with guns. The number is in the ~2M range. That’s two million times every year that victimization is prevented. That’s the way to run a coumtry, imo.
So what say you?
April 19, 2007 - 09:03 PM on April 19th, 2007
i think what that cho guy did was good, he killed many innocent people, but the teachers will be afraid to abuse the student in future. i read what he wrote, he said he is sacrificing himself for all the weak and helpless guys. and its true. first i thought he was a monster but after i read what he wrote i can see the benefit of what he did. you see in our world people only respect one thing — strength. if you are big and tall everyone respect you, if you are small everyone treats you like shit. cho showed that small guys can turn nasty if pushed too far, and that will make people afraid to pick on small guys, especially students. innocent people died, that’s unfortunate. but the same thing happens in a war, innocent die in order to correct some other evil. cho was kicked out of poetry and literature class for his writing, he was a shy guy so when he tried to hit on a couple girls in a somewhat clumsy way they ratted on him. girls don’t have the guts to say “i am not interested, but thank you for asking”to guys they find unattractive, instead they pretend they like them, flirt with them, than behind their back they rat on them and backstab them. and misandrist men are all to happy carrying out their dirty duties falsely accusing a guy of harassment. sex discriminates against the ugly. they don’t realize that ugly guys are people too who also deserve to have fun and be happy. taking a kinder and gentler attitude towards all humankind might serve these pampered women with low self-esteem well. its easy to ridicule men, to blame men, to ignore men. but it is not easy to be a man. especially an ugly short man like cho. society prepares the crime the criminal commits it.
feminists and men who support gender biased, sexist, anti-male laws including the school system, police, justice system, and government are responsible for emasculation of men, which is the cause of the social anxiety among young men like cho. feminists would rather nitpick and close down a corporation which is supporting thousands of women who feed their babies because some guy hang a victoria’s secret angel over the time clock. its time women got over themselves and men stopped impersonating sentimental buffoons catering to their vile whims.
as for the media, its common sense that by rewarding cho with what he was aiming for – publicity they are sending the message that whoever kills a lot of people will be rewarded with publicity. why stop there? announce a bloody reward for the families of dead serial killers so you can get your bloody ratings. what do you expect from a society which is so utterly lacking in integrity? you are worse than the cho dude, you may be snug and secure behind your desks, but you are encouraging murder.
April 19, 2007 - 09:27 PM on April 19th, 2007
32- kam I have a couple of thoughts here….
Joe Pesci is short yet no one messes with him, and everyone remembers his Oscar acceptance speech because it was heartfelt, honest and the shortest in (no pun intended)the history of the award!
The only thing we are encouraging is for you to get help…
April 19, 2007 - 10:21 PM on April 19th, 2007
Kim, Cho was a paranoid schizophrenic and anything that he might say is just as likely to be based in a delusional fantasy as in reality.
April 20, 2007 - 04:26 AM on April 20th, 2007
30- Ted,
what I wanted to point out with that referenced article is that the 2nd amendment has no unique one and only commonly accepted understanding when it comes to the gun-related clause.
Of course I know what a milita is, but already the word suggests that “a militia” consists of more than one individual and I would bet that in 99 percent of the cases the people than enter a gun shop don’t purchase a gun with the sentence “This is my neighbourhood-pals and me and we would like to buy guns in order to protect our quarter against criminals & terrorists”.
31- Robert,
I must admit that I didn’t read the article on Armed Citizen and probably won’t, because I guess that it is similar biased as some page like “Happy Jihadist” (that I also don’t read) would be…
But as it mentions cases where armed citizens used guns to prevent crimes, does this article also mention those cases in which legally bought guns (also those being stolen) were used to commit crimes? (like the case in Blacksburg!)
April 20, 2007 - 04:46 AM on April 20th, 2007
32- Kam,
my first recommendation to you would be the same that also Co received from various sides: talk to a psychologist ASAP. Your statement shows that you share a lot of the disappointment that Cho experienced and a statement like “it was good that Cho killed innocent people because he got his message heard”, sounds extremely sick and dangerous.
Killing people in order to be noticed is the most coward act that one could think of! It is no act of strength or victory- it is an act of total surrender…
So far on your state- now on the potential source of the whole tragedy. Life isn’t fair! I am born in western Europe, may never experience hunger or war while simultaneously in the third world people don’t know if their children will be alive next week. And though my life is somewhat okay there are always people in my world who are far more lucky or more liked and I don’t have a single clue with what justification or because of what effort. But that’s how it goes and it is up to me to make the best out of the situation that I can get. And the solution in a competition situation can never be, that instead of improving yourself (trying to understand what are your own flaws are) you start destroying/hating the others. Strength is something which can only come frome inside of you, but definitely not by fantasizing judgement day scenarios and exploding in a physical way one day! The right people like and respect you for your personality- not because you’re the captain of the college footbal team or a cheerleader beauty…
April 20, 2007 - 05:35 AM on April 20th, 2007
Re 30:
“what I wanted to point out with that referenced article is that the 2nd amendment has no unique one and only commonly accepted understanding when it comes to the gun-related clause.”
Yes, but that can be said for almost any amendment. There are several philosophical appraoches, and eache even have their own name. I am a constructionists- beleiving in a strict interpretation.
“Of course I know what a milita is, but already the word suggests that “a militia”consists of more than one individual and I would bet that in 99 percent of the cases the people than enter a gun shop don’t purchase a gun with the sentence “This is my neighbourhood-pals and me and we would like to buy guns in order to protect our quarter against criminals & terroristsâ€.”
But the precept in the 2nd Amendment is that becuase a militia is necesary, people have the right to arm themselves. Yoy can not have the first without the second.
April 20, 2007 - 06:05 AM on April 20th, 2007
30 and 37, Mattias and Ted, in 1775, the militia was every able bodied man in the population. Every man was expected to drill with the militia at appointed times, and there were severe penalties for missing a drill. Therefore, like in Switzerland, every male was expected to be armed and drilled in the use of those arms.
Mattias, do you ever visit Switzerland? Do you know there is an automatic weapon in EVERY household with a minimum of 1000 rounds of ammunition for that weapon? I’ve been there. Once a man was shooting crows out of a tree next to the office building I was working. No one called the police or had a conniption fit like you are prone to. Yes, in the US if a person was shooting crows out of a tree in the city, the SWAT team would be called.
You are just totally unrealistic in your views.
32, Kam, you are seriously ill. Are you Hmong? You sound like the Hmong men who have a fit when my 5′ 10″ Korean daughter walks into the room.
April 20, 2007 - 07:14 AM on April 20th, 2007
The scary thing about kam is that his IP is here in the states:eek:
April 20, 2007 - 07:36 AM on April 20th, 2007
39, Peejz, Kam sounds like some of the Hmong men in Wisconsin who have not adjusted to living in the US. Remember Vang, the guy who shot the hunters over by Eau Clare? Then there’s a guy from Green Bay who is on trial for shooting a Hmong hunter North of Green Bay. The situation is bad because it is being swept under the carpet by everyone. All I hear about in their changing the subject is the fighting beween the Black and Mexican gangs in Green Bay.
Brenda Sung Mee doesn’t like to go to the Green Bay area because the Hmong stare at her. She’s head and shoulders taller then all of them, and they look threatened by it.
April 21, 2007 - 10:46 PM on April 21st, 2007
Just a few thought from our founding fathers:
” One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them” Thomas Jefferson
” A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives bodlenss, enterprise and independence to the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks.” Thomas Jefferson
“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially wen young, how to use them…” Richard Henry Lee
” The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.” Thomas Paine
“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.” Zachariah Johnson, VIRGINIA RATIFICATION CONVENTION, 1788.
“To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them” George Mason, Virginia Ratification Convention, 1788
It seems to me like some pretty heavy intellectuals from Virginia might not agree with the current state of gun laws in their home state.
April 21, 2007 - 11:02 PM on April 21st, 2007
Here’s one more quote that so many people have failed to comprehend.
“Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion… in private self-defense.” John Adams. OUR SECOND PRESIDENT.
Anyone want to actually argue about the meaning of the second amendment with two of the first three presidents after the Constitution was ratified? People who were actually there when it was debated?
April 22, 2007 - 02:42 AM on April 22nd, 2007
Anyone want to actually argue about the meaning of the second amendment with two of the first three presidents after the Constitution was ratified? People who were actually there when it was debated?
Sure. Are you offering to produce a corpse?
April 22, 2007 - 08:04 PM on April 22nd, 2007
AKD, unless that was posted in jest (a bad jest may still be a funny one and I have been known to be involved in a few of those myself) you would have to be an idiot to post it. That being said, I will accept it as bad jest and give you the groan such a bad jest deserves.
April 22, 2007 - 09:44 PM on April 22nd, 2007
re 43:
“Sure. Are you offering to produce a corpse?”.
If he did, you’d still lose.
April 23, 2007 - 07:40 AM on April 23rd, 2007
43, arguing with a corpse is the only way you’ll win an argument AKD??
Cho proved that nut with a gun trumps gun free zone utopia of the Liberals.
Again, AKD, you were one of the Amnesty crowd saying we can’t deport the illgal aliens here, but you think you can confiscate the many numerically more guns? You are a fool.
Here’s a question for you to answer AKD, what are you going to do with/to an illegal with a gun? Especially if said gun is pointed at your pointed head?