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I am one of nine children and I guess that would make my parents criminals….

The paper by the Optimum Population Trust (OPT) will say that if couples had two children instead of three they could cut their family’s carbon dioxide output by the equivalent of 620 return flights a year between London and New York.

That is just a taste of the article, but here is the reaction to it:

• Micael FW is getting things rather confused I think. Eugenics is what we are practising now in the form of selected embryo implantation to circumvent inherited diseases. What is being proposed is that the world should voluntarily limit its population. Not a likely scenario I grant you.As for what can sustained ask any ecologist (i.e. professional scientist as opposed to ‘greenie’) and you will get a shrug of the shoulders. No one really knows how many people can live on the earth in harmony with their surroundings – maybe it’s zero!We must also remember the Judeo-Christian-Islamic philosophy is built upon the principle that nature is there to be exploited by people.When combined with the powerful drive that each of us has to procreate and thus propagate our genes. I am inclined to my son’s point of view. Perhaps we should all just carry on and cause the extinction of ourselves and many other species.  You can be sure of one thing though the insects would survive. (Tim A, Bournemouth, )
• Tim in Bournemouth frowns at the unsustainability of the US per-capita resource utilisation. I hope he is not feeling too smug about the same statistics for the UK, as there is precious little difference from the point of view of the impoverished 80% of the world.I’m still waiting for Al Gore to stand up and admit that his decision to have four children was a mistake. Maybe he could even tell us which two of the four he’d choose to pack off to the Soylent Green reprocessing centers in his ideal world.Chris, Enfield, England
• It always makes me laugh when people claim we need more children to look after an ageing population.Talk about not looking further than the end of your nose. Who will look after them when they are elderly?The majority of the worlds woes boil down to there being too many people on it. It is certain that there will be a ‘correction’, though it is up to us how painful this will be.

  Simon, Cumbria,

• In response to Eileen McCloy – I don’t think anyone is questioning the potential productive capacity of her 10 children. It’s rather their propensity to consume that is at issue. We have all seen the statistics that if the whole of the world’s human population consumed at the rate of the US per capita then we would require the resources of many Earth sized worlds to support it. The arithmetic is very simple and the conclusion even simpler – there are aready too many people.As to how to reduce that number – well I haven’t yet seen any serious discussion. Perhaps “Bird Flu” is the answer. Or maybe other ways. I don’t know. But until we start taking the subject seriously nothing will change.All our efforts to reduce CO2 rpoduction will be pointless unless and until we tackle the issue.

  Tim A, Bournemouth,

• As this “debate widens”, I’m just waiting for some ‘expert’ to say that its an ‘eco-crime’ to live past 70.Michael Cope, Singapore,
• Sorry, Eileen McCloy is wrong. There is no reason to have children to “look after our elderly” – and I’m sure in truth that was not her reason either. When will people understand that breeding like rabbits has already brought us into a situation where we’re rapidly depleting the Earth’s resources? The pill was invented for a reason – use it, for goodness sake.Paulina Smid, London,
• Global warming is a symptom. Population growth is the disease.Had population grown at the current rate for the last 2000 years, there would now be 50,000 people per square foot of land in the world.Figure it up!

  John A. Broussard, Kamuela, Hawaii

• So typically leftist and arrogant. Maybe these people who suggest such totalitarian idiocies ought to start with their own extended families and save the rest of us the trouble. The left used to whine about “FOR THE CHILDREN”, now they’re blaming families who have ” THE CHILDREN”!
  I guess that makes communist China the most moral nation on the planet since it mandates how many children the hoi polloi can have. Like I said, so typically leftist.  

  Hankmeister, Urbana, USA/IL

• As the proud father of nine children, I say “Balderdash!” to this poppycock. If reduction of carbon emmisions and population control are the real goals of the eco-fascists, please have the intestinal fortitude to assert it thusly.  

  However, it would be more beneficial to have ADULTS reather than children be sacrificed. After all, adults are larger, weigh more and consume more than babies.

  To accomplish the eco-fascists’ goals, suppose we start by dispatching all homosexuals, criminally insane, retarded and ugly, overweight people. Sieg Heil!!

  Neil Tagle, Hockessin, DE USA

• The last thing I’ll be thinking about is the environment when planning a family. That might be what the eco-terrorists think about while they burn SUV’s and complain about the melting polar ice…  

  I’ll be thinking about how I’m going to pay to send five kids to college, and providing for the family. Don’t these hippies know smoking crack is adding to the greenenhouse gas emmissions?

  Jim, Virionga, USA

• Excellent, now I need to have three MORE out of spite!  

  William the Impeached, Buffalo, NY

  This report and the opinions supporting it are frighteningly close to Third Reich Eugenics. Who decides whose children should be born and whose are an eco-crime, i.e. “Unwertes Leben”?

  This report gives the term Eco-fascism a whole new dimension.

  NE, London, UK

• Why would someone want to limit couples from the joy of having as many children as they want for some personal aesthetic they have of how the think the earth best should be? How about live and let live? There’s plenty of wilderness left in the world for those who want to find it.  

  In any case, in time problems associated with high population densities will be solved, as our technologies improve.

  Robert , Seattle,

• Tim in Bournemouth frowns at the unsustainability of the US per-capita resource utilisation. I hope he is not feeling too smug about the same statistics for the UK, as there is precious little difference from the point of view of the impoverished 80% of the world.  

  I’m still waiting for Al Gore to stand up and admit that his decision to have four children was a mistake. Maybe he could even tell us which two of the four he’d choose to pack off to the Soylent Green reprocessing centers in his ideal world.

  Chris, Enfield, England

• Europe is already choosing not to exist by having the lowest birthrates on earth. Of the 20 nations with the lowest birthrate, 19 are in Europe. Italy, Russia, Spain – all of these nations are beginning to cut their numbers in half with each generation.  

  You may say “great”! Less problems to deal with.

  But wrong. Demographics is destiny, and while those responsible for the creation of Western civilization are choosing to breed themselves out of existence, the ENEMIES of Western civilization, particularly radical Islamists, are choosing to do the exact opposite.

  Muslim birthrates are very high, which is the only reason France has such a high birthrate. They are moving into Europe in record numbers and now literally breeding Europeans out of the majority. In one more generation, two at most, Europe will be Eurabia, and your great free societies will now be just another Middle East, complete with Sharia law, lack of gay rights, subjugation of women, etc.

  This is what you want?

  Dunn, Fayetteville, USA

• As a Green Party member let me reassure Michael FW: it is NOT Green Party policy to limit family sizes, and is highly unlikely ever to be. Labour and Tory ‘Think Tanks’ come up with equally ludicrous ideas at regular intervals, most of which are never heard of again; let this Green version have its moment of lunacy too.  

  Actually, they appear only to be advocating voluntary limitation, which we would have no quarrel with – though I doubt there would be very many takers.

  Bill Linton, London,

• This person must have his head in the clouds, or is it the sand. Does he realy believe that the Muslims people are going to cut down there population expansion when they want to rule the world. Or the Indian peoples are going to cut down on their children when they are needed to support the older members of the family. I would suggest that looks once more around the world and see it as it is, and will always be.  

  victor arram, westclff on sea, uk

• As usual the experts concentrate on non issues. Co2 and more importantly methane emiissions will continue to rise whatever we do in Europ, Maybe they havent noticed but birthrates in India and Africa will continue their inexorable rise as will their co2 and methane emmisions as their living standard improve and more importantly as they industrialise.
  Maybe we should think of having less cattle sheep and coal fired power stations per family. Maybe the experts should mention this to the developing world.  

  james, perth, western australia

• This is nothing less than eco-facism, the Greens are now advocating Eugenics policies akin to those we more readily recognise in dictatorial nations of the far right and left.  

  This is one policy too far and will prevent me from even being tempted to vote for them.

  the populations of many western nations are already in decline (Italy, Germany, France). if we have an average of 1.5 children per couple that would precipitate a drastic fall in population all over Europe.

  Ask any economist population growth in the third world will be cured by pension rights. in every economy in the world population growth was only stabilised when affordable pensions, reasonable and trust-able were introduced

  Indeed pensions are necessary for all kinds of thing like labour mobility and personal capital growth. it is typical of those who don’t know their subject that they advocate force, “the last resort of the incompetent” to achieve their goals.

  Michael FW, Snowdonia,

• If the British fertility rate is 1.7, the EU average is 1.5. and some countries, such as France, are offering a financial incentive to women to have more babies, who exactly is overpopulating the world? In this case, it appears not to be white Europeans. I am sure you are not allowed to draw such a correlation.  

  Ruth Wollacott, Hornchurch Essex,

• It always makes me laugh when people claim we need more children to look after an ageing population.  

  Talk about not looking further than the end of your nose. Who will look after them when they are elderly?

  The majority of the worlds woes boil down to there being too many people on it. It is certain that there will be a ‘correction’, though it is up to us how painful this will be.

  Simon, Cumbria,

• In response to Eileen McCloy – I don’t think anyone is questioning the potential productive capacity of her 10 children. It’s rather their propensity to consume that is at issue. We have all seen the statistics that if the whole of the world’s human population consumed at the rate of the US per capita then we would require the resources of many Earth sized worlds to support it. The arithmetic is very simple and the conclusion even simpler – there are aready too many people.  

  As to how to reduce that number – well I haven’t yet seen any serious discussion. Perhaps “Bird Flu” is the answer. Or maybe other ways. I don’t know. But until we start taking the subject seriously nothing will change.

  All our efforts to reduce CO2 rpoduction will be pointless unless and until we tackle the issue.

  Tim A, Bournemouth,

• As this “debate widens”, I’m just waiting for some ‘expert’ to say that its an ‘eco-crime’ to live past 70.  

  Michael Cope, Singapore,

• “The pill was invented for a reason – use it, for goodness sake.”
  Gas chambers and atom bombs were invented for a reason – that doesn’t mean that they were a good idea or that they should be used.  

  Bernard Mahan, Edinburgh, Scotland

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