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‘It’s here: The Bush-Kennedy amnesty Report: Potential cost = $2.5 trillion Updated with GOP reax’ from Michelle Malkin.
The amnesty sellout arrives. Background at this post.
Lie of the day from Arlen “Illegal Alien Gold Card” Specter: “This will restore the rule of law.”
Bush called it “a much-needed solution to the problem of illegal immigration in this country” and said, if approved, the proposal “delivers an immigration system that is secure, productive, orderly and fair.”
Update: Reax from Sen. Jim DeMint…
“I hope we don’t take a thousand page bill written in secret and try to ram it through the Senate in a few days. This is a very important issue for America and we need time to debate it.”“But the little we do know about the bill is troubling. According to reports, the bill contains a new ‘Z-visa’ that allows those who entered our country illegally to stay here permanently without ever returning home. This rewards people who broke the law with permanent legal status, and puts them ahead of millions of law-abiding immigrants waiting to come to America. I don’t care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty.”
Via Kate O’Beirne, Heritage Foundation scholar Robert Rector estimates the bill’s pricetag at a potential $2.5 trillion with a “t:”
Giving amnesty to illegal immigrants would increase the costs outlined in this testimony. Some 50 to 60 percent of illegal immigrants lack a high school degree. Granting amnesty or conditional amnesty to illegal immigrants would, overtime, increase their use of means-tested welfare, Social Security and Medicare. Fiscal costs would go up significantly in the short term but would go up dramatically after the amnesty recipient reached retirement. Based on my current research, I estimate that if all the current adult illegal immigrants in the U.S. were granted amnesty the net retirement costs to government (benefits minus taxes) could be over $2.5 trillion.
Excerpts from an e-mail bulletin by Roy Beck of NumbersUSA:
Although we don’t have the legislative language yet, here are the key components:WE LOSE — by getting an immediate amnesty for nearly all 12-20 million illegal aliens who will get legal status for residence and jobs (with assurance of green cards no later than 13 years).
IN EXCHANGE FOR — we get mandatory workplace verification and a lot of extra enforcement (with a lot of typical Kennedy loopholes) to try to slow the flow of the next 12 million illegal aliens enticed by the amnesty;
WE LOSE — by getting a tripling of the rate of chain migration of extended family from around 250,000 a year to around 750,000 a year for about a decade;
IN EXCHANGE FOR — after about a decade, there should be no more chain migration (assuming that Kennedy doesn’t add it back in by then);
WE LOSE — by getting new flows of 400,000 temporary foreign workers each year, bringing their families and having anchor babies who will be given U.S. citizenship;
IN EXCHANGE FOR — at least the temporary workers are supposed to leave and not be able to apply for greencards and permanent residency.
WHY THE REPUBLICANS ARE STAMPEDING TO BACK THIS AMNESTY
The majority of Republican Senators last year voted against the S. 2611 amnesty that passed.
But at a noon meeting today with nearly all GOP Senators, Sen. Kyl outlined the amnesty agreement he had negotiated with Sen. Kennedy. Our sources say only about three Senators raised concerns. Most of the rest were saying things like, “If you think this is a good idea, John, I guess that should be good enough for us.”
Pres. Bush and staff have been brilliant in moving Sen. McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Martinez (R-Fla.) into a more secondary role and persuading conservative leader Kyl to lead the negotiations. Kyl is able to lead many Senators to follow him who would otherwise not support an amnesty of any kind.
At the moment, the only Senators whom we feel relatively certain are opposing this new amnesty are Sen. DeMint (R-SC), Enzi (R-Wyo.), Crapo (R-Idaho), Vitter (R-La.), Allard (R-Colo.), Sessions (R-Ala.), Chambliss (R-Ga.), Grassley (R-Iowa)…
NRO says “No to Bush-Kennedy:”
The 1986 immigration reform, with amnesty provisions that were implemented and enforcement provisions that weren’t, is instructive. But there is no need to hark back 20 years to illustrate the bad faith of “comprehensive” immigration reformers. Before last year’s elections, the Secure Fence Act, providing for the construction of a 700-mile fence at the southern border, handily passed Congress. In this week’s Republican presidential debate, Rep. Duncan Hunter, the fence bill’s House sponsor, angrily noted, “We have $1 billion cash on hand at the Department of Homeland Security right now for building the border fence. . . . They have done two miles. I think they want to drag their feet and hook this up with amnesty.” They do and they now have.The Bush administration’s price for its modestly beefed-up border security and workplace enforcement is amnesty for millions and a temporary-worker program for a few hundred thousand more each year. And the proposal’s conservative features vanish upon inspection.
Bush-Kennedy includes some enforcement “triggers” that increase resources at the border and establish an employment-verification program before amnesty or the new temporary-worker program can take effect. But there is no requirement that these measures be proved effective before the full implementation of Kennedy’s wish list, and the reform does not include critical provisions to prevent identity theft and the use of fraudulent documents. Granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens without first securing the border and ensuring a reliable system of workplace enforcement invites millions of others to follow their example in the hope of being granted amnesty during the inevitable next round of immigration reform.
The proposal contemplates ending “chain migration” by extended family members in favor of a merit system based on needed skills — eventually. The current waiting lists for family members must first be eliminated, and immigration advocates can be expected to aggressively lobby for the status quo. Tamar Jacoby is already arguing against moving to merit. Not even yahoos will be fooled by the bill’s empty promise.
Finally, the enormous cost of granting legal status to millions of illegal aliens is being wholly ignored. Nearly two-thirds of illegal immigrants are low-skilled workers. Based on a detailed analysis of the net cost of low-skill households, Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation estimates that the typical illegal-alien household receives $19,588 more in benefits than it pays in taxes each year. He explains that these costs would increase dramatically when an illegal alien reached retirement. Rector estimates that if all current illegal aliens were granted amnesty, the net retirement costs (benefits minus taxes) could be over $2.5 trillion.
As bad as the status quo on immigration policy is, it is preferable to this bill.
Rep. Steve King: “Each one of these Senators should wear a scarlet letter ‘A’ for amnesty.”
HotAir has: Breaking: Bush, Senate leaders reach immigration agreement; Update: “I don’t care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty”
Others blogging:
- Michelle Malkin
- Captain’s Quarters
- Conservative Blogger
- GOP raises White Flag on Immigration, RIP America? | The Texas Blog
- Graham, DeMint on immigration deal » The Palmetto Scoop
- Ed Driscoll.com
- Mark Nicodemo
- BizzyBlog » ¿descanse en la paz, los Estados Unitos?
- No Runny Eggs » Blog Archive » R.I.P. United States of America (1789-2007)
- Ace of Spades HQ
- BETRAYED (AGAIN)
- GOP raises White Flag on Immigration, RIP America?
- Senate and President To Grant Amnesty to 15 million Illegal Immigrants
- 2007.05.17 Immigration Sellout Roundup
- Immigration D�j� Vu
- Senate Sells Out on Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
- Bend Over, Senators Screw Legal Americans
- Trackposted to Outside the Beltway, Blog @ MoreWhat.com, Perri Nelson’s Website, The Random Yak, 123beta, guerrilla radio, Right Truth, Stuck On Stupid, Webloggin, The Amboy Times, Leaning Straight Up, Conservative Cat, third world county, Right Celebrity, Allie Is Wired, stikNstein… has no mercy, The World According to Carl, Nuke’s news and views, Pirate’s Cove, Planck’s Constant, The Pink Flamingo, Dumb Ox Daily News, The Yankee Sailor, and Gone Hollywood, thanks to Linkfest Haven Deluxe.
May 17, 2007 - 09:16 PM on May 17th, 2007
Good-Bye Republican Party. The vast majority of these newly legal millions will vote Democratic! It is a nightmare. We will become Big Mexico. They can’t run their country and they will now destroy ours. I am so sad and worried.
May 17, 2007 - 11:24 PM on May 17th, 2007
Thank You Congress and Bush for Selling out the sovereignty of the United State of America.
I am very much ashamed of my fellow progressives.
It’s time for a third party.
-TP
May 18, 2007 - 04:07 AM on May 18th, 2007
This seems like a bad move.
May 18, 2007 - 07:41 AM on May 18th, 2007
3, this is a VERY bad move for this country. This will lead to first the Balkanization of the US, then dismsmberment of the Country.
May 18, 2007 - 08:07 AM on May 18th, 2007
More thugs,hoods,crinimals,crooks,rapists,child moleters,murderers,robbers,burglars and terrorists entering america from south of the border usless fools all:mad:
May 18, 2007 - 09:41 AM on May 18th, 2007
The scenario I have in my mind is very different than the above. I think the Republican party is a very strong party and because Bush is President there will be alot of illegals who feel it was him who made it possible for them to be here and therefore vote Republican and not Democrat. I predict it will be an even split as far as that goes.
As for the rest of it. Well, 30 million people is alot of people to allow into the country and it will cause alot of problems. Our economy is be the first to suffer I’m sure but it could work for us rather than against us because there would have to be welfare reform.
It’s a problem beyond a good solution and I think we just need to get to the best solution at this point. It would have been nice if laws had been enforced over the years but one can’t change the past; only the future. Maybe this will be the catalyst that pushes America into doing all that is necessary to make things right for everyone.
May 18, 2007 - 05:41 PM on May 18th, 2007
This is an amnesty bill plain and simple and it will be bad for both the country and the Republican party. Horrible is probably a more apt description. It doesn’t do a thing towards actually solving the problem, it simple immediately legitimizes millions of felons. I’m certain that comment will rile a few of our left leaning contributors, BUT it is accurate. The first time an alien enters this country illegally, it is a misdemeanor. Once they are deported, if they reenter the country illegally, it is a FELONY. Therefore any illegal alien in this country who has been previously deported is guilty of a FELONY. With the US Attornies in the south western border states refusing to prosecute anyone who hasn’t been arrested and deported half a dozen times (office policy in Texas, so I’m not making this up) there are millions of felons in this country that this will give amnesty to. Who is next? The drug dealers? Murderers? Kidnappers? Doesn’t the Constitution require equal treatment under the law? By giving blanket amnesty to MILLIONS of ILLEGAL ALIENS who are guilty of felonious illegal border crossing, doesn’t that set a precedent for having to give amnesty to every other felon in this country?
I have another question about this amnesty plan. If only the head of household has to leave the country for a background check, what about the teenage and young adult children that are engaged in criminal activity here already? We had three teenage illegal aliens DRAG RACING down the street here a couple of weeks ago. When the police officer stopped them, they didn’t have a single driver’s license among them. A little questioning and it was determined that they were illegal aliens. When the police called the parents, the parents refused to come to the station, so ICE deported the three back to Mexico. Of course the illegal alien advocates were screaming about them tearing a family apart. I just have to respond with, “Well, if the parents had come to collect their sons, ICE could’ve deported the entire family. ICE didn’t bring those kids into this country in violation of the law, that was their parents.” If only the head of the household will be paying a fine, doesn’t that amount to a complete pass for the rest of the family? How could this NOT be considered amnesty?
May 19, 2007 - 06:14 PM on May 19th, 2007
Oh the whiners are out in force in the media now. MSNBC is hyping the story of two illegals who popped out 4 anchor babies before being deported. I feel sorry for the kids, but it is the parents’ fault if the kids are used to living in the US and now have to live in Mexico. There are major glaring errors in the story too. The writer tells about how horrible the conditions in the little backwater village is with no phone service, or indoor plumbing, etc etc, then goes on to tell how Pedro Jr. is downloading MP3s from the internet to his Ipod with his “dusty” pc. Exactly how do you connect to the internet via a PC in a town with no phone service except via sat phone? And exactly how poor can they be if they’re still able to connect to the internet? If they’re that well off, they can probably get work in a city that will have the amenities like the US rather than live in some squalid village. All told the story reeks of being another MSM LIE. Exactly how does someone making $17/hour with 4-5 kids save up over $10,000 while living in Palo Alto, CA? For that matter, exactly how is being a night supervisor in a super market making $17/hour rate as doing a job American Citizens won’t do? Here’s a link if it goes through. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18756638/
I am so sick of these illegal aliens whining that they aren’t being given the world. They’re also whining that the US is now going to give out work visas based on education,job and language skills versus having family in the US. I just have to say it’s about time. Exactly why do we want to import poverty in the form of unskilled, uneducated labor?
May 20, 2007 - 09:10 AM on May 20th, 2007
If this passes - Goodbye Republican Party - Hello Mexican-American-Democrats, millions of them!!! Look how well they have improved things over in their country. Could this nightmare really be happening. I wonder if a bill for energy conservation written by Dick Chaney would have been as well recieved by the Democrats??? What to take odds on that one?
May 20, 2007 - 10:17 AM on May 20th, 2007
That’s one thing I don’t get Rightwing. Why don’t these Mexican nationals work to improve conditions in their own country before invading ours? I don’t support Bush on this billl as I think he is making a huge mistake. Too much give and not enough take. We’ll see how it all plays out though. I disagree that they will all vote democrat though. You may be surprised to find alot of them loyal to Bush and vote republican. Remember having a job is one of the criteria for remaining in our country. Working and not receiving hand outs is where it’s at.
May 20, 2007 - 06:07 PM on May 20th, 2007
The reason the illegals won’t fix Mexico is because the drug lords and their corrupt minions in the government control most of the firearms and the criminals kill anyone who speaks out against them with impunity.
May 20, 2007 - 06:39 PM on May 20th, 2007
Good point FAO but that doesn’t give them the right to come here and expect to have it all. This bill better have some very strict oversight and I mean strict oversight. I don’t want any of my tax dollars going to feed any one of them.
May 20, 2007 - 10:33 PM on May 20th, 2007
Look people this so called nation is now dead, the drug dealers own it and within 5 years mexico city will be running us out of the west, its not just 12 million enemies of freedom and justice its 100 million families of the evil enemy coming here, its part of the plan that evil Bush wants to take us down and its working real well.
No one will stand against it and bush and the one world rats know it real well in fact all of what you are now looking at is right out of the “the Turner diaries” that evil plan/book is being used to help in the murder of a nation and its laws AND ITS PEOPLE, so stop yelling and do something but that YOU will never do so go back and watch star gate, you people are not Americans the USA Is Dead,Dead and soon it will be mexico OR THE NAU and the third world monkey people will be running this little piss country and you will say nothing or do a thing.
Long Live the people of freedom, oh i forgot that is a joke is a third world country of no laws and soon no freedom to say a thing against the rat pig government, and may God help you all.
May 20, 2007 - 10:49 PM on May 20th, 2007
I’ve been telling you righties here at RV for a long time now that your political policies and feelings towards latino migrant workers will come back to haunt you sooner or later with latino voters.
Much like 90% of blacks vote Democrat, the latinos - a HUGE group of people - will vote (D).
And in case you haven’t heard, 1 out of 3 Americans is a minority.
You people are digging your political graves.
Congress is about to create tens of millions of new voters.
(!)
May 21, 2007 - 03:31 AM on May 21st, 2007
1- “It is a nightmare. We will become Big Mexico. They can’t run their country and they will now destroy ours.”
Yea… that sounds 100% different from the republican philospohy: “Distract from the ability to run your own country by declaring war to another country!”
Besides.. did any of your ancestors apply for immigration at the native-american population when they came to their continent? Is any of you aware that large parts of the US area formerly belonged to french & spanish colonists?
As I see it, a lot of people would rather be authorized to throw you invaders out of their country than vice-versa!!
May 21, 2007 - 06:30 AM on May 21st, 2007
So SFL does that mean you would be okay with a one party system?
May 21, 2007 - 06:36 AM on May 21st, 2007
15, Mattias, you are very ignorant of US History. Our forefathers purchased land from the Indians, the French, the Spanish, the Mexicans, and the Russians. Why don’t you Google the Lousiana Purchase, the Gadsden Purchase for a couple. Texas won a war of independance.
Shall we start to detail some of Germany’s land dealings over the years? Let’s start with the Germanification of Poland with the assistance of Catherine the Great of Russia? Some of my ancestors got duped into that one.
May 21, 2007 - 06:56 AM on May 21st, 2007
17- “Our forefathers purchased land from the Indians, the French, the Spanish, the Mexicans, and the Russians.
…
Shall we start to detail some of Germany’s land dealings over the years? Let’s start with the Germanification of Poland with the assistance of Catherine the Great of Russia?”
Muahahaha… that is a good one… and just see how happy the Indians are with that deal… Maybe we [Germans] also should have bought Poland with some glaspearls… and have German minorities in Russia fight an “independence war”…
Actually just one question to somebody who comes from the Land of the Free:
How are you supposed to “buy/sell” land with people living in it? Did any of those inhabitants see something from that money? Or were they bought/sold too?
May 21, 2007 - 07:16 AM on May 21st, 2007
Matthias…America always does whats right. Ever been to a casino? Lots and lots of money being made there and it’s Indian owned. How about that?
May 21, 2007 - 07:17 AM on May 21st, 2007
Just like German Aunschluss I guess. Or maybe I should ask people of Alsauce-Lorraine how they like being shuttled between Germany and France.
Mattias, how many times has your nose been broken? A jerk like you must have that happen weekly.
May 21, 2007 - 07:23 AM on May 21st, 2007
21- “Mattias, how many times has your nose been broken? A jerk like you must have that happen weekly.”
Never.. we don’t have that many loonies around here, who regard violence as a means of political expression/solution.
May 21, 2007 - 07:30 AM on May 21st, 2007
PS: We sold all those [loonies] to the US during the independence war..
:mrgreen:
:mrgreen: 
I think, they founded the republican party afterwards..
..and the NRA…
May 21, 2007 - 07:48 AM on May 21st, 2007
21,22, No wonder Germany is lost and floundering. People like you are taken seriously instead of ignored or shipped out.
May 21, 2007 - 07:57 AM on May 21st, 2007
23- If I look at the development of the Dollar/Euro-rate and the international perception of our countries, I wonder who’s country is in trouble…
May 21, 2007 - 08:13 AM on May 21st, 2007
24, Mattias, you are the last person anyone here would consicer for financial advice or acumen. And, I say that without a gratutous slap at George Soros’ record for manipulating international currency markets for his own profit.
May 21, 2007 - 08:26 AM on May 21st, 2007
Good point there PCD. I heard he is banned from Britain for his little currency scheme. What a crook.
May 21, 2007 - 08:26 AM on May 21st, 2007
Hey Matt, My family came legally, and had to wait in line, My grandmother and grandfather became Anerican citizens and spoke ENGLISH, They weren’t fortuante enough to have signs written in German and English. They didn’t get to cut to the front of the line becaused they lived closer and could run across the border. Isn’t it depressing living the Liberal life? Everything is wrong with America and none of it is your fault???
May 21, 2007 - 09:07 AM on May 21st, 2007
25, 26- I know, folks…
You have more confidence in trustworthy guys like Wolfowitz when it comes to financial matters…
May 21, 2007 - 09:10 AM on May 21st, 2007
Hey Matthias…read the paper. Wolfowitz didn’t do anything wrong and he has plenty of documentation to prove it. The World Bank is nothing more than one more corrupt organization. I believe he’s a very happy man that he has the opportunity to leave.
May 21, 2007 - 09:16 AM on May 21st, 2007
28, actually, I’d be more inclined to listen to Warren Buffet than Soros. Wolfie is getting the bums’ rush from a bunch of bums.
May 21, 2007 - 08:01 PM on May 21st, 2007
“So SFL does that mean you would be okay with a one party system?”
No, not at all…
The Republican Party will adapt - eventually. It just won’t look like anything you have right now.
May 21, 2007 - 08:51 PM on May 21st, 2007
Only one thing wrong with your analysis SFL, under the plan as described by Senator Kyl on the radio this morning, the illegals will NOT be citizens and therefore NOT allowed to vote. We had a number of anti illegal propositions on the ballot here over the last few years and the ones last November won with a 70+% majority with over 50% of the Hispanic voters voting in favor of NOT providing social services, in state tuition, etc, etc to Illegal Aliens. Too bad our two Senators didn’t bother to see what the voters that they represent were trying to tell them. They may BOTH be looking at facing opposition in their next primaries.
On the topic of the NRA, it is the OLDEST civil liberties organization in the US and was founded in 1871 to insure that “promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis,”. They were founded by two senior Union Army officers and the first NRA President was General Ambrose Burnside. They happen to have supported the current instant background check system and provide more firearms safety training to children than ANY organization in the world. They also provide the training venues for the US civilian and military marksmanship competitions and championships. SO Matt until you know something about the organization, your comments about it are idiotic and maddening for those of us who do.
May 21, 2007 - 08:55 PM on May 21st, 2007
The system will become third world parties with hate for Americans the system will become so evil and hateful it will eat the old American Population alive and with hate laws against anyone who still thinks this is the old USA.
If Mexico city get’s what it wants it will start something that will end in mass murder of us all, anyone who can’t see the evil in mass Amnesty is a fool or a totally evil person.
Bin Laden is Bush and Bush hates are freedoms.the republican party is owned by the third world drug dealers, and so are the Rat one the so called other side, the political oligarchs are so happy with this mass murder it can’t wait until it gets its troops all in line, AGAINST THE IDEALS OF FREEDOM AND LAWS.
May 21, 2007 - 09:08 PM on May 21st, 2007
Oh yes! the end game is dismantling by defact this nation by using mass population of the third world, read Alex Jones listen to saving nation.
its best to start understanding what is happening before some camp guard is sent pick-you-up for talking against some third world ruler.
Freedom is not free.
May 22, 2007 - 04:00 AM on May 22nd, 2007
32- “On the topic of the NRA, it is the OLDEST civil liberties organization in the US and was founded in 1871 to insure that “promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis,”. They were founded by two senior Union Army officers and the first NRA President was General Ambrose Burnside. They happen to have supported the current instant background check system and provide more firearms safety training to children than ANY organization in the world. They also provide the training venues for the US civilian and military marksmanship competitions and championships. SO Matt until you know something about the organization, your comments about it are idiotic and maddening for those of us who do.”
Well… maybe my view of the NRA is too much influenced of incidents in which gun-horny idiots abused the NRA-promoted right to carry guns to murder people. And unteachable (NRA)idiots say that this problem (based upon the ability to easily get a gun) could be solved by having even more people carry even more guns!?
However.. this is getting away from the original topic of the thread…
May 22, 2007 - 07:26 AM on May 22nd, 2007
35, Mattias, your views on everything are influenced by your juvenile contrarian view of authority. You reject Christian authority, therefore you marry a Muslim woman to spite your parents’ church and your parents.
You see everyone with a spine as an idiot. You see standing for prinipal as being a Nazi.
In summation, you are a total fool.
May 22, 2007 - 08:58 AM on May 22nd, 2007
36- “Mattias, your views on everything are influenced by your juvenile contrarian view of authority.”
Wow!!! Thank you for that compliment!!! *enjoy*
“You reject Christian authority, therefore you marry a Muslim woman to spite your parents’ church and your parents.”
My father left his church confession (primarily for tax reasons) before I was born and the noble christian priest of our community refused to baptize me for that reason. Finally an army priest baptized me. So I have a very unique view to “christian authority”… and even though I never attend church, I stick to my confession and pay my 100€/month because I have a christian belief that does not consist of the need to separate between believers and non-believers or sick barbaric ideas like “an eye for an eye”…
I would bet that my muslim wife thinks/lives (without knowing) much more a christian spirit than American christian fundamentalists that promote murder by death row, hate against gays or who regard non-caucasian minorities as a (”illegal”) threat, etc….
May 22, 2007 - 11:40 AM on May 22nd, 2007
37. Yes, Mattias, even the liberal CBS show, “60 Minutes” noticed the “thinning” of faith in Europe. You are the classic example. You pay your little fee to stay with your church, but you pick and choose what you wish to follow. If you don’t come close to Christ’s teachings, it is a “so what” to you. I would direct you to the verses where Christ despairs over lukewarm followers like yourself, but you wouldn’t care or change.
May 22, 2007 - 07:42 PM on May 22nd, 2007
Mattias your problem is that you rely on an anti gun liberal media for your information and anyone who contradicts that is an idiot in your view.
As for the idea that people being armed for self defense is a bad idea, I’d tell you to ask the Israelis. They’ve cut terrorist attacks against schools to almost nothing by allowing trained teachers to be armed.
Oh Wait, that’s historical fact and we mustn’t insist that a liberal actually accept facts when they contradict the media’s carefully crafted propaganda.
May 22, 2007 - 08:14 PM on May 22nd, 2007
As for this thread being about illegal aliens and their newest plan for amnesty, I actually live in a city that is a MAJOR way point for illegals being smuggled into this country. I know about the running gun battles on the highway by illegals with ILLEGALLY OBTAINED guns. I know about the HUGE drug busts (tons of marijuana, tens of kilos of cocaine, and in one week over 120 lbs of crytal Meth) involving Mexican Nationals in the US illegally. I work with a man who’s daughter was killed by an ILLEGAL who was driving a stolen car while drunk. An illegal who was on probation for….You guessed it driving a stolen car while intoxicated. An illegal who had been deported at least 5 times and had NEVER been prosecuted DESPITE the fact that after the first deportation, the second illegal entry was a felony. Of course because of my friend’s persistence in insuring this scum was finally prosecuted for his actions, ICE won’t be deporting him for another 30+ years. In the interim, the Arizona Taxpayers will be providing him with free room and board.
Mattias, you can’t tell me SHIT about illegal aliens in this country, you don’t have the frame of reference that I have. I have them for neighbors, they’ve flooded the local hospital emergency room without paying their bills to the point where the hospital is having to close the ER for the second time in 4 years. I have to drive through a crowd of them every time I go to the local home improvement center, and have had them practically jump in front of my truck when I drive around certain corners. I lawfully carry a gun with me because of the ongoing problems in this city with illegals carjacking and robbing people and smugglers attacking each other on the freeways and keeping dozens up to hundreds of illegals captive at gun point in houses throughout this metropolitan area. I know about the illegals who allow their early teen daughters to date illegals in their mid twenties and than scream for the police when the 20 something male kidnaps her at gun point in order to drag her to Mexico after they break up. It happened twice within one month here last year so I am not making this up.
Mattias as I said before, you base your comments on the carefully crafted propaganda of the main stream media. If you dig a little bit the facts are quite ugly. Illegal aliens represent 4 percent of the US population. They represent over 20 % of the prison population. That means that they are roughly 5-6 times as likely to be involved in criminal activity as a legal resident. By US records, 1 in 12 illegal aliens caught crossing the border has a criminal record. At that ratio, if there are 12 million illegal aliens in this country, 1 million of them have criminal records and are therefore ineligible to be in this country under ANY circumstance. Illegal aliens represent approximately 80% of those wanted for murder in LA county. Yes they only come here to do the jobs Americans won’t do….Rape, murder, drug dealing, drive by shootings, etc etc etc. Funny isn’t it that the French are moving to crack down on their illegal immigration problem?
May 22, 2007 - 10:08 PM on May 22nd, 2007
Read FrmrArtyoffcr, It will be the story of many of you in this coming evil future”.
Rats like Bush want Not to see the fact’s of the third world’s people, read Alex Jones listen to Savage Nation and understand what happen’s to people inside a Third World Nation. This so called Nation will soon be under-the-control of the political leaders of places like Mexico, your Government has Sold You Out and now Want’s Your Life Ended once and for all and understand you are nothing but property to the Pigs in washington you mean nothing and when Amnesty Becomes the Law, “you ideals”, “your love’s”, “your Law’s”, will mean nothing, OR BE USED AGAINST YOU FOR RACE AND POLITICAL IDEALS OF OTHER’S Just wait until the economic system collapse’s and the pig’s start eating you alive.
don’t be sheeple see it for what it is, EVIL.
And May God help you all.
May 22, 2007 - 10:49 PM on May 22nd, 2007
Matthias you like many other’s who have fallen for the same line people got from old Hitler, old hitler used the church’s, he used the Christian Religion and he used the Religious Authority for his End Game of Evil.
The Political System used the Clergy As it is being used today and the South American evil oligarchs will use you to help in the Building of camp’s for people who will not get into line.
Do not be a fool do not listen to the ideals coming from the drug dealers of Mexico City and Washington D.C., It’s a plan of total corruption just like old Hitler used almost 70 years ago to murder million’s of people almost 12 million jews and christian inside the hell of the death camp’s it can happen here and it will if rats of the so called American and third world oligarchs have it’s way. Long live Freedom and long live the ideals of the Bill Of Rights and the ideals of 1776. and may God Help you all,
May 23, 2007 - 03:10 AM on May 23rd, 2007
40. Funny isn’t it that the French are moving to crack down on their illegal immigration problem?
France’s problems are with Sans Papiers (unpapered workers who are nonetheless in the country legally, but whose children can’t attend French schools). There isn’t anything like an illegal immigration problem in France; there never has been.
May 23, 2007 - 04:31 AM on May 23rd, 2007
38 - ” I would direct you to the verses where Christ despairs over lukewarm followers like yourself, but you wouldn’t care or change.”
I may be a “lukewarm follower” in your eyes, but at least I don’t approve violence as a way to solve political conflicts like you do… I know that I may face my maker with a somewhat clear conscience! Maybe you should also read the passage in the bible where Jesus encounters the Pharisees…
May 23, 2007 - 04:34 AM on May 23rd, 2007
43- Wow that must be news to France!
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May 23, 2007 - 04:38 AM on May 23rd, 2007
39- “As for the idea that people being armed for self defense is a bad idea, I’d tell you to ask the Israelis. They’ve cut terrorist attacks against schools to almost nothing by allowing trained teachers to be armed.”
I have to express my most sinceres condolences to you, that you envy Israel as a role model for your country!
And why not extend that thought a little bit… why not having other war zone’s lifestyle in your country? Why not send the pupils and teachers with kevlar vests to school? Or give tasers to the teachers…