Comments on: Democrats and Pork: The secrecy’s for your own good http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/ in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:05:09 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: PCD http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-538524 PCD Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:18:55 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-538524 It is much worse. Obey says he's holding on to the earmarks until the budget bill reconciliation negotiations between House and Senate (Democrats) start. That may be 30 to 40% of the discretionalry spending or more that will be hidden from the public and slammed through to Bush to sign or veto, and we all know how rare his vetos are. It is much worse. Obey says he’s holding on to the earmarks until the budget bill reconciliation negotiations between House and Senate (Democrats) start. That may be 30 to 40% of the discretionalry spending or more that will be hidden from the public and slammed through to Bush to sign or veto, and we all know how rare his vetos are.

]]> By: Peejz http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-538455 Peejz Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:47:48 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-538455 Ted, The Democrats ran and won on a platform of cleaning things up including the pork...7 months in and it is no better than what the Republicans were doing..that is the point.  And the Pork Meister is still in control..MURTHA Ted,

The Democrats ran and won on a platform of cleaning things up including the pork…7 months in and it is no better than what the Republicans were doing..that is the point.  And the Pork Meister is still in control..MURTHA

]]> By: Fred Dawes http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-530900 Fred Dawes Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:52:04 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-530900 Both parties are on mass pork that is the way third world government act, Bush is the enemy of life and he hates your freedom and loves the ideals of evil act against you! Both parties are on mass pork that is the way third world government act, Bush is the enemy of life and he hates your freedom and loves the ideals of evil act against you!

]]> By: FrmrArtyOffcr http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-530793 FrmrArtyOffcr Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:41:19 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-530793 Ted, on the topic of pork barrel spending, most of what you listed have legitimate uses. I have to agree that certain ones are pure pork barrel. When it comes to upgrading military facilities, I have to think about the hospital at Ft Carson, CO when I got there in February, 1985. It was a series of single story wooden barracks structures connected by hallways that were little more than covered walkways and the buildings themselves dated from the 1940s. There was no insulation in the walls nor were the windows more than the original single pane glass. It was not any place I'd want to have to stay in the middle of a Colorado winter. Likewise the maternity ward had one of the highest infant mortality rates in the military due to the inadequate facilities. Before I left Ft Carson in 1987 they had built a modern 4 story hospital complete with a full oral surgery and physical therapy depts. As for the parking garage at Ft Bliss, I have to believe that objections to that are based on a lack of knowledge about the age and design of facilities at most of our military bases. Most of our current bases were laid out during the Vietnam War. At that time, most soldiers were not allowed many of the freedoms our current all volunteer army enjoys. With that in mind, they were not allowed to live off post hence a car wasn't needed and frequently not allowed. Therefore parking lots were assigned to housing units were designed to handle far fewer cars than occupants. As a result, they are far too small to meet the demands of the current military. As for the light utility vehicle from the racing company in CA, I'd like to see what the vehicle is intended for. Perhaps it's being developed as a new light fast attack vehicle for a spec ops unit. The real pork comes in when the military asks for a certain number of a given item and Congress increases that number for no good reason. A few years ago, an Air National Guard unit received authorization for 25% more cargo plans than they had originally requested. While that is rather nuts, it's better than receiving 25% fewer planes than requested. Ted, on the topic of pork barrel spending, most of what you listed have legitimate uses. I have to agree that certain ones are pure pork barrel. When it comes to upgrading military facilities, I have to think about the hospital at Ft Carson, CO when I got there in February, 1985. It was a series of single story wooden barracks structures connected by hallways that were little more than covered walkways and the buildings themselves dated from the 1940s. There was no insulation in the walls nor were the windows more than the original single pane glass. It was not any place I’d want to have to stay in the middle of a Colorado winter. Likewise the maternity ward had one of the highest infant mortality rates in the military due to the inadequate facilities. Before I left Ft Carson in 1987 they had built a modern 4 story hospital complete with a full oral surgery and physical therapy depts. As for the parking garage at Ft Bliss, I have to believe that objections to that are based on a lack of knowledge about the age and design of facilities at most of our military bases. Most of our current bases were laid out during the Vietnam War. At that time, most soldiers were not allowed many of the freedoms our current all volunteer army enjoys. With that in mind, they were not allowed to live off post hence a car wasn’t needed and frequently not allowed. Therefore parking lots were assigned to housing units were designed to handle far fewer cars than occupants. As a result, they are far too small to meet the demands of the current military.

As for the light utility vehicle from the racing company in CA, I’d like to see what the vehicle is intended for. Perhaps it’s being developed as a new light fast attack vehicle for a spec ops unit.

The real pork comes in when the military asks for a certain number of a given item and Congress increases that number for no good reason. A few years ago, an Air National Guard unit received authorization for 25% more cargo plans than they had originally requested. While that is rather nuts, it’s better than receiving 25% fewer planes than requested.

]]> By: AKD http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-530275 AKD Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:36:14 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-530275 I'm impressed... I’m impressed…

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-529591 TedintheShed Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:06:28 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-529591 14. That's not the issue- the issue is pork barrel spending. If you want the money allocated, then do so via normal fiscal means, not through pork barrel initiatives. Besides, that is only one of eight issues here. The point here- is don't turn the blind eye to what's happening. 14.

That’s not the issue- the issue is pork barrel spending.

If you want the money allocated, then do so via normal fiscal means, not through pork barrel initiatives.

Besides, that is only one of eight issues here. The point here- is don’t turn the blind eye to what’s happening.

]]> By: PCD http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-529566 PCD Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:52:10 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-529566 Ted, I wouldn't say money for C-17s is waste. We still are using C-130s, C-141s, and C-5As that are getting to be obsolete and expensive to maintain. Ted,

I wouldn’t say money for C-17s is waste. We still are using C-130s, C-141s, and C-5As that are getting to be obsolete and expensive to maintain.

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-529553 TedintheShed Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:46:57 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-529553 Look at all of these "R"'s. :roll: Pork Alert: Defense Authorization Washington, D.C. - Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) today published a comprehensive list of the 447 earmarks worth $7.6 billion in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, H.R. 1585. The bill is one of the first to fall under a new House rule that requires public disclosure of an earmark's sponsor, recipient, amount, and justification. CAGW presents the earmark list in a convenient, searchable Microsoft Excel format. The House Armed Services Committee version, while in the committee report, is difficult to read and cannot be searched. Highlights of the earmark list include: $2.42 billion for the C-17 Globemaster III, requested by seven members: Reps. Todd Akin (R-Mo.), Rob Bishop (R-Utah), Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.), Kenny Hulshof (R-Mo.), and Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) for Boeing in Long Beach, Calif.; Rep. Ken Calvert (R-Calif.) for the USAF Aeronautical Center, Wright Patterson AFB, Ohio; and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) for Vought Aircraft Industries, Dallas, Texas; $5.3 million for a parachute drying tower at the NAS Oceana in Dam Neck Annex, VA, requested by Rep. Thelma Drake (R-Va.); $4 million for a light utility vehicle for the Chenowth Product Racing Company, Inc. in El Cajon, CA, requested by Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.); $3 million for the Parents as Teachers, Heroes at Home Family Counseling Program in St. Louis, Missouri, requested by Reps. Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.), Adam Smith (D-Wash.), and Don Young (R-Alaska); $1.9 million for a military working dog facility at Fort Riley, Kansas, requested by Rep. Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.); $1 million for a multi-level parking facility at Fort Bliss, Texas, requested by Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas); and $600,000 for an addition to a fitness center at Goodfellow Air Force Base in San Angelo, Texas, requested by Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas). Look at all of these “R”’s. :roll:

Pork Alert: Defense Authorization

Washington, D.C. – Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) today published a comprehensive list of the 447 earmarks worth $7.6 billion in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, H.R. 1585. The bill is one of the first to fall under a new House rule that requires public disclosure of an earmark’s sponsor, recipient, amount, and justification.

CAGW presents the earmark list in a convenient, searchable Microsoft Excel format. The House Armed Services Committee version, while in the committee report, is difficult to read and cannot be searched. Highlights of the earmark list include:

$2.42 billion for the C-17 Globemaster III, requested by seven members: Reps. Todd Akin (R-Mo.), Rob Bishop (R-Utah), Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.), Kenny Hulshof (R-Mo.), and Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) for Boeing in Long Beach, Calif.; Rep. Ken Calvert (R-Calif.) for the USAF Aeronautical Center, Wright
Patterson AFB, Ohio; and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) for Vought Aircraft Industries, Dallas, Texas;

$5.3 million for a parachute drying tower at the NAS Oceana in Dam Neck Annex, VA, requested by Rep. Thelma Drake (R-Va.);

$4 million for a light utility vehicle for the Chenowth Product Racing Company, Inc. in El Cajon, CA, requested by Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.);

$3 million for the Parents as Teachers, Heroes at Home Family Counseling Program in St. Louis, Missouri, requested by Reps. Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.), Adam Smith (D-Wash.), and Don Young (R-Alaska);

$1.9 million for a military working dog facility at Fort Riley, Kansas, requested by Rep. Nancy Boyda (D-Kan.);

$1 million for a multi-level parking facility at Fort Bliss, Texas, requested by Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas); and

$600,000 for an addition to a fitness center at Goodfellow Air Force Base in San Angelo, Texas, requested by Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas).

]]> By: PCD http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-529498 PCD Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:13:48 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-529498 Ted, I don't know if you heard of former Rep. Bill Dannemeyer, R-CA. He routinely offered budget resolutions to CUT the actual budget 10% across the board. I don't believe in Bridges to Nowhere or artificial Rain Forests in Iowa. If I were a Rep., I'd be voting against such things as well as most funding for the CPB and Union Demostration projects to name a few pork abuses. Ted,

I don’t know if you heard of former Rep. Bill Dannemeyer, R-CA. He routinely offered budget resolutions to CUT the actual budget 10% across the board.

I don’t believe in Bridges to Nowhere or artificial Rain Forests in Iowa. If I were a Rep., I’d be voting against such things as well as most funding for the CPB and Union Demostration projects to name a few pork abuses.

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-529458 TedintheShed Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:43:17 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/05/30/democrats-and-pork-the-secrecy%e2%80%99s-for-your-own-good/#comment-529458 10. PCD- To point out pork from the Democrats and to ignore the pork from the Republicans is inane. Pork barrel spending is a problem in our governement that transcends the isle, and to ignore that is like coming up with a solution to illegal immigration that ignores the border entirely. It just doesn't make sense. I will adnmit that the Democrats are worse than the Republicans about it, but I refuse to ignore the fact that Republicans do it also. There should be zero, zip, nada. Here is an interesting site: <a href="http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homePage" rel="nofollow">Citizens Against Governement Waste</a>. 10. PCD-

To point out pork from the Democrats and to ignore the pork from the Republicans is inane. Pork barrel spending is a problem in our governement that transcends the isle, and to ignore that is like coming up with a solution to illegal immigration that ignores the border entirely.

It just doesn’t make sense.

I will adnmit that the Democrats are worse than the Republicans about it, but I refuse to ignore the fact that Republicans do it also. There should be zero, zip, nada.

Here is an interesting site: Citizens Against Governement Waste.

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