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From Michelle in her post: ‘Kill the Bill: Exposing the dirty deal
Update- Senators to Bush: Enforce the laws first’
Out-of-touch-with-reality quote of the morning:
“I think one of the things that we have to do is answer the skeptics, answer the doubters,” White House press secretary Tony Snow said Tuesday.”We not only have a good sound bill, but it’s also one that a lot of conservatives, when they get a chance to look at it, will say OK,” he said on NBC’s “Today” show.
Jon Ward of the WashTimes reports:
The White House released news late last night that President Bush, on the plane ride home from his week-long trip to Europe, called three senators key to the immigration reform talks, “to thank them for their work on the immigration bill and strategize how to get it passed.”Mr. Bush called Sen. [Jon] Kyl, Arizona Republican, Sen. Edward Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and Sen. Ken Salazar, Colorado Democrat…
The meeting President Bush is scheduled to attend today is the weekly Senate Republican Policy Committee luncheon, chaired and hosted by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison:
Every Tuesday that the Senate is in session, Republican Senators gather in the Capitol for a policy lunch meeting, hosted by Chairman Hutchison. This is the one scheduled time each week for all Republican Senators to gather and discuss issues before the Senate, review the anticipated agenda, and discuss policy options.
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A letter to Bush from enforcement-first Senators:
Dear Mr. President:We respectfully ask that your Administration enforce the border security laws that have already been authorized by Congress regardless of whether the Senate passes the immigration reform bill. The bill assumes that several critical border security benchmarks can be achieved within 18 months. These security triggers are already authorized under current law and can be completed without the immigration bill. We believe these enforcement measures are vital and should not wait until Congress passes additional immigration reforms.Securing the border is the best way to restore trust with the American people and facilitate future improvements of our immigration policy.Sincerely,
U.S. Senators Jim DeMint (R – South Carolina), Tom Coburn (R – Oklahoma), Mike Enzi (R – Wyoming), David Vitter (R – Louisiana), Jim Inhofe (R – Oklahoma), Jim Bunning (R – Kentucky), Charles Grassley (R – Iowa), John Ensign (R – Nevada) and Jeff Sessions (R – Alabama).
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June 12, 2007 - 10:40 AM on June 12th, 2007
Throw the bums out…all of them.
June 12, 2007 - 10:47 AM on June 12th, 2007
Have you read the bill? I don’t mean the things everyone is saying about it, I mean the actual bill.
By the way, I happen to agree with the “enforcement first” Senators.
June 12, 2007 - 11:06 AM on June 12th, 2007
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June 12, 2007 - 11:19 AM on June 12th, 2007
A Picture is Worth A Thousand Words
Days after a lawsuit was dropped that allowed construction to continue on a $22 million mosque and cultural center in New England the Islamic Society of Boston held a day long celebration to commemorate the completion of a minaret with a 5000 pound cap…
June 12, 2007 - 12:06 PM on June 12th, 2007
It’s about terrorism, stupid
When talking about the illegal immigration situation in the United States, many folks make the grave error of thinking this is a racist or class issue. They are dead wrong. This is about terrorism and the safety of American citizens.
June 12, 2007 - 12:44 PM on June 12th, 2007
IMPEACH THEM ALL THEIR ALL TRAITORS:mad:
June 12, 2007 - 01:24 PM on June 12th, 2007
A Poem for Blue Star Mothers
I cannot move
I cannot speak
I cannot waiver
Say I’m weak
June 12, 2007 - 01:37 PM on June 12th, 2007
More Details on the Acetaminophen Scare
This news is a week old, but it’s not my fault. When you live with a guy who does molecular biology, the last thing you suspect is that he can’t spell the name of a common drug. Anyway, the story…
June 12, 2007 - 03:04 PM on June 12th, 2007
BronX Fire?..Sue the FDNY
As for me, I say ppftttttttttt to this lawsuit and the ingrates who filed it.
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June 12, 2007 - 06:01 PM on June 12th, 2007
TUES JUNE 12 The Right Manipulators, the PuppetMaster & the Anti-HispanicBigots!
So far the only thing we know about Miss Piggy’s death is she was born with only one kidney, which …
June 12, 2007 - 07:29 PM on June 12th, 2007
What Can We do to Set the Immigration Agenda?
Last week, depending upon your view, it seemed as if ordinary Americans had delivered the Senate a proverbial swift kick in the ass, via phone calls, letters, and emails and the amnesty bill seemed derailed. Unfortunately, we were aiming a little lo…
June 12, 2007 - 07:48 PM on June 12th, 2007
I don’t believe there are mechanisms in place to impeach Senators. However, recall elections are an entirely different story. Even getting enough signatures together to force a recall vote should send a HUGE message to these pig headed twits that this bill is bad news. I think the problem is that they don’t live in the neighborhoods or work in the fields where the illegals cause problems. I doubt there are a flood of attornies streaming across the border offering cut rate legal services. You can damn well bet that they’d take action to seal the border if there were. Likewise, if they had to drive clear across town to get to an open emergency room and then wait hours to see a doctor because of the mass of illegals there waiting for free medical care for minor illnesses, or worse a communicable disease that childhood immunizations had virtually eliminated in this country.
Sean Hannity is projecting that most of the Republican Senators that sign off on this POS will be facing stiff competition in their next primaries.
As for the illegals, I heard one today decry the bill on the radio demanding that it be voted down because it doesn’t give “condition free amnesty.” When are our supposed “representatives” actually going to start representing US? I found out today that my local democratic representative (no I didn’t vote for him.) has cosponsored a bill to give La Raza (the race !) $5,000,000 this year and $10,000,000 next year. How much more racist an organization can you get than one that actually calls itself “THE RACE”? Their trying to give $15,000,000 tax payer dollars to an organization that has stated its goal is the “reconquista” of the American southwest.
June 12, 2007 - 08:00 PM on June 12th, 2007
As far as I know Senators cannot be impeached, and the Constitution provides no mechanism for a “recall election”. Senators are elected according to the rules laid out in the 17th amendment.
The only way to remove a Senator from office is for the Senate to expel him or her. That requires a two-thirds vote from the Senators present. It isn’t going to happen over the amnesty bill.
June 12, 2007 - 08:20 PM on June 12th, 2007
Senator Fred Thompson’s Statement on the Clinton I
In an interview this past week with Sean Hannity, Fred Thompson explained his split vote in the Bill Clinton impeachment trial: he voted “guilty” on obstructing justice and “not guilty” on perjury.
June 12, 2007 - 09:32 PM on June 12th, 2007
Federal law may not provide for a recall election, but that doesn’t mean that the states don’t have the ability to replace senators that are not acting in their best interests. All in all there is the very basis for government that is being forgotten here. Governments only have power as long as those being governed agree to be governed.
If the Government thinks that it’s too hard to pursue 12 million illegal aliens, what would they do if the rest of us simply refuse to pay our taxes? Hell, what if only 1 in 10 opponents to this bill refused to pay their income taxes for the year? What could they do? They’ve already said they can’t prosecute 12 million illegal aliens, how could they prosecute 14 million people who refuse to pay their income taxes? Does anyone realize that the number of citizens who oppose this bill, as a minimum, outnumber the illegal aliens by 12 to 1? With a good attorney, the argument would be along the line of the defendent demanding equal protection under the law.
Under this law illegal aliens who want to live here without becoming citizens won’t have to pay back taxes. Therefore, any citizen refusing to pay their taxes in protest to this law can claim that since the illegal aliens are being given tax amnesty for the last five years, they demand the same and any attempt to force payment would be disriminatory on the grounds of NATIONAL ORIGIN. It is illegal in this country to prosecute someone for a crime based solely on their national origin is it not? As the illegal aliens would not be prosecuted for failure to pay taxes, any prosecution of a natural born citizen would thereby be based on their nation of origin and be a violation of US Law.
June 13, 2007 - 01:25 AM on June 13th, 2007
Live like you’re going to die tomorrow
One of the big facts of life is that we are certain about the outcome of it. A well known news anchor here in Norway fell to the floor and died yesterday. It happened while he was at work. Apparently his heart just stopped beating. He was 58 years old…
June 13, 2007 - 03:49 AM on June 13th, 2007
The only recourse the states have is to elect different senators every six years. The U.S. Constitution trumps every state law.
You have a rather interesting legal theory about taxes there. Some laws apply only to citizens without violating the constitution. The fourteenth amendment’s guarantee of equal protection under the law is an injunction on the states, and not on the federal government.
“nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
I agree with you that this is a bad law, but I don’t think you could win a case at law based on equal protection. By the same theory, Native American Indians should be required to pay federal taxes, yet they are Constitutionally exempt.
June 13, 2007 - 06:40 AM on June 13th, 2007
The Knucklehead of the Day award
Today’s winner is the NCAA.
June 13, 2007 - 07:59 AM on June 13th, 2007
All those who are in favor of this amnesty for illegal aleins are guilty of treason vote them out throw them out of america along with all those illegal aleins:mad:
June 13, 2007 - 08:36 AM on June 13th, 2007
Perri- Under Article II, section 4, “The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States,” are subject to impeachment. In 1797, Senator William Blount was impeached and thrown out of the Senate, but he appealled, saying that “civil” referred to apointments by the POTUS. The Senate than dismissed the charges against him and since then the House and the Senate have defined “civil officer” as anyone who is appointed to office by the President.
Here is a link showing that you may be able to recall our elected officials. This would be an interesting topic!
June 13, 2007 - 09:47 AM on June 13th, 2007
Peejz,
I followed that link. There may be some question about whether a recall is possible, but there is no constitutionally outlined mechanism for it. The idea that the 17th amendment grants the legislature the power to set up a recall election is a bit of a stretch.
Rep. Fallin’s contention that it does based on the words “Provided That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments” is a very thin basis. The full text of that clause reads.
“When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of each State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.”
In other words, the executive is supposed to call for a new election when a “vacancy” occurs. The legislature can change that to allow the appointment of a replacement. This does not give the legislature the power to allow a recall.
Before the 17th amendment the legistlature was required to choose the senators. Even then, there was no provision for a recall.
The case of Senator Blount is interesting because even though the procedure used to oust him was Impeachment, it still required a two-thirds vote in the Senate to convict him. His appeal established a solid precedent, but by convicting him in the first place before his appeal the Senate which obviously found that he had committed the acts for which he was impeached. The Senate still had the option of expelling him by the same 2/3 vote that convicted him. It probably should have done so.
June 13, 2007 - 09:49 AM on June 13th, 2007
Snowy Egret…
Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution defines treason…
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”
Voting for a bad bill hardly constitutes treason under that definition.
June 13, 2007 - 10:47 AM on June 13th, 2007
10- Perri, thanks for that….:smile:
June 13, 2007 - 07:51 PM on June 13th, 2007
Well let’s see Perri, if we can’t impeach or recall them, that does leave the option of shooting them. God knows in this state it would be pretty hard for them to find witnesses. Over 70% of the population and over 50% of the hispanic population voted to deny any social welfare benefits as well as in state tuition to illegal aliens. We not only won the elections, we successfully defended the propositions in court against not only the open borders crowd, but also the liberal governor and attorney general. Arizonans are sick and tired of the illegal aliens getting better treatment than US citizens. Unfortunately our two Senators don’t seem to understand that their jobs are not to pander to criminal illegal aliens. Their jobs are at the discretion of the voters who have so LOUDLY told them that we want a secure border and a VERY unfriendly atmosphere for illegals. We’re tired of the ERs closing from unpaid medical bills. We’re tired of the multi hour ER waits while Maria has little Juan in for a cold. We’re tired of not being able to order a damn meal at KFC or BK without speaking Spanish. We’re tired of the coyotes getting into gun fights on the freeways over who gets to keep the illegals they’ve smuggled in. We’re tired of every construction site being filled with people who do lousy work but are willing to work for substandard wages because 10 of them are living in a 2 bedroom apartment. We’re tired of being accosted everytime we drive into a Home Depot parking lot. We’re tired of them smuggling drugs, molesting children, and shooting at anyone that they perceive as slighting them. We’re also getting REALLY PISSED OFF over their refusal to listen to what the people who voted for them are telling them.
June 13, 2007 - 08:00 PM on June 13th, 2007
Hmmm… I knew there was a reason for the second amendment.:grin:
I feel sorry for Arizonans having John McCain as their Senator. I especially feel sorry for the nation if he ever becomes President.
Arizona’s Republican Party needs to get a real conservative to run against John McCain in the next primary. I notice on his Senate website he calls it “My Arizona”. I guess he figures it doesn’t belong to the citizens.
Your best recourse if you want to eliminate Senators you don’t like is to vote them out when they’re up for re-election. It’ll be tough with McCain’s incumbent protection act (also known as campaign finance reform, or McCain-Feingold).
Why is it that whenever that particular man gets involved in “reform” legislation it’s bad for the country?
June 15, 2007 - 11:39 PM on June 15th, 2007
McCain would have trouble being elected dog catcher in this state right now. The state Republican party Chairman has sent complaints to him and Kyl because of the number of Republican voters who have refused to continue contributing to the party as long as those two continue supporting this amnesty bill. Kyl even went on the radio and copped the attitude that the bill was better than it would’ve been if he hadn’t gone into negotiations with Ted “the swimmer” Kennedy. Exactly how much worse could it have been? No penalties for illegal border crossers unless they decide to become citizens. A situation that they really couldn’t care less about seeing as they were carrying more Mexican flags than American ones until they saw the back lash it caused. He seems to think that they don’t have the ability to filibuster the damn thing. Bills like this are why the filibuster was even put in the Constitution. Bad bills are BAD bills. While the status quo sucks, it’s still better than giving blanket amnesty to 12 million+ illegals without first securing the border to keep the number from growing to 20+ million within the year.
BTW Perri, the history of the second amendment does include the idea that it would allow the citizenry to throw off an oppressive regime. Considering that the last time a Third George and a supposedly representative parliament refused to respond to the demands of the people there was a revolution, people in Washington need to look at a history book. GW is the third president named George and hence could be considered George the Third, and the Senate is certainly acting like they think they’re the House of Lords. Thomas Jefferson did say that a country needs a revolution every couple of hundred years.
August 25, 2007 - 03:06 PM on August 25th, 2007
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