Comments on: Can a child be barred, on the basis of his race, from attending a particular public school? http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/ in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:16:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Peejz http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-599311 Peejz Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:54:25 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-599311 <blockquote><em>I'm just curious–if I were to show, to your satisfaction, that racially diverse schools were significantly beneficial to student performance and measurably increase racial equality in America–how would that effect your position on this issue? </em></blockquote> We aren't arguing that diversity is not beneficial, we are arguing about racial profiling in order to fill the seats in the schools.   

I’m just curious–if I were to show, to your satisfaction, that racially diverse schools were significantly beneficial to student performance and measurably increase racial equality in America–how would that effect your position on this issue?

We aren’t arguing that diversity is not beneficial, we are arguing about racial profiling in order to fill the seats in the schools.   

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-599282 TedintheShed Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:39:30 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-599282 <em>"I'm just curious–if I were to show, to your satisfaction, that racially diverse schools were significantly beneficial to student performance and measurably increase racial equality in America–how would that effect your position on this issue?"</em> You seem to have mistaken me for someone who has an opinion on this issue. I have not looked at it at all, so I do not have enough information to form an opinion. I was only pointing out the obvious flaws. Regarding you statement "One can prove a negative ( 2 + 2 does not = 7, go)", that is not a negative. The statement would be: "2 + 2 = 7" That is a positive. You would then, using empirical data (mathematical formula) to prove the positive statement false. “I’m just curious–if I were to show, to your satisfaction, that racially diverse schools were significantly beneficial to student performance and measurably increase racial equality in America–how would that effect your position on this issue?”

You seem to have mistaken me for someone who has an opinion on this issue. I have not looked at it at all, so I do not have enough information to form an opinion. I was only pointing out the obvious flaws.

Regarding you statement “One can prove a negative ( 2 + 2 does not = 7, go)”, that is not a negative.

The statement would be:

“2 + 2 = 7″

That is a positive.

You would then, using empirical data (mathematical formula) to prove the positive statement false.

]]> By: snowy egret http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-596545 snowy egret Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:45:33 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-596545 has JESSIE JACKASON forgoten about MARTIN LUTHER KING and his I HAVE A DREAM speech and talked about a child and the color of their skin?:grin: has JESSIE JACKASON forgoten about MARTIN LUTHER KING and his I HAVE A DREAM speech and talked about a child and the color of their skin?:grin:

]]> By: China Law Blog http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-595461 China Law Blog Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:14:58 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-595461 <strong>Take Advantage Of "China's Rampant Employment Discrimination"</strong> Employers will always discriminate on the basis of something. As human beings, we just cannot help it. Obesity, ethnicity, height, looks, disability, race, gender, religion, age, sexuality, the list is endless. Smart employers try to avoid this. Basic ... Take Advantage Of “China’s Rampant Employment Discrimination”
Employers will always discriminate on the basis of something. As human beings, we just cannot help it. Obesity, ethnicity, height, looks, disability, race, gender, religion, age, sexuality, the list is endless. Smart employers try to avoid this. Basic …

]]> By: snowy egret http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-592275 snowy egret Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:32:23 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-592275 Time has come to dump AFFERMATIVE ACTION and tell JESSIE JACKASSON to GET A LIFE:razz: Time has come to dump AFFERMATIVE ACTION and tell JESSIE JACKASSON to GET A LIFE:razz:

]]> By: PCD http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-591885 PCD Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:53:05 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-591885 14, Nice speech, but you ignored what I said to inject your racial politics. You have a liberal way of lying to everyone about your true goals and intentons. 14, Nice speech, but you ignored what I said to inject your racial politics. You have a liberal way of lying to everyone about your true goals and intentons.

]]> By: FrmrArtyOffcr http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-591212 FrmrArtyOffcr Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:16:36 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-591212 I am so sick of affirmative action. Take the most qualified, i.e. highest scores on the SAT and other standardized tests and get on with it. Honestly, I was encouraged to go into an area of study that I had minimal interest in and took a language that was twice as hard as I needed to and my grades suffered. My bad. DO I really think that I should've wasted 4 years studying political science for law school when I didn't want to be an attorney? Not no, but HELL NO. Should I have taken 3+ years of Russian language when Spanish was probably available and required less then half the studying? Probably NOT. Want to really improve college output? Improve counseling so that you don't have people getting pigeon holed into courses of study that they have minimal interest in and even less aptitude for. Can I negotiate a car deal? Yes. Does that mean I should be an attorney or a diplomat? NO! I'm a fan of the Corbin Dallas school of negotiation. If you've never heard of it, go rent a dvd of "The Fifth Element", grab a bowl of popcorn and learn a little bit about modern pop culture. I'm seriously considering going back to school. I could be one of the oldest Sophomores at ASU. Hey I graduated on the Dean's List 23 yrs ago, I could probably do even better taking classes I was actually interested in. Of course my last semester was when I took the upper level history course on unconventional warfare in the 20th century. For some reason I did really well in that one. Perhaps thats why I seem to have a better grasp as to why the war against terror in and out of Iraq isn't going to be over just because the Democrats say it is, nor can we lose militarily but we can lose psychologically. Someone needs to explain to the leaders of at least one political party in this country, and the citizens as a whole that you don't "end" wars. You win or you lose them. Which do we want to do? Especially since the islamofascists (remember supporting terrorists could be called supporting diversity) have said they'd like to see the Israelis driven into the Mediterranean and the Islamic flag flying over the White House. I am so sick of affirmative action. Take the most qualified, i.e. highest scores on the SAT and other standardized tests and get on with it. Honestly, I was encouraged to go into an area of study that I had minimal interest in and took a language that was twice as hard as I needed to and my grades suffered. My bad. DO I really think that I should’ve wasted 4 years studying political science for law school when I didn’t want to be an attorney? Not no, but HELL NO. Should I have taken 3+ years of Russian language when Spanish was probably available and required less then half the studying? Probably NOT.

Want to really improve college output? Improve counseling so that you don’t have people getting pigeon holed into courses of study that they have minimal interest in and even less aptitude for. Can I negotiate a car deal? Yes. Does that mean I should be an attorney or a diplomat? NO! I’m a fan of the Corbin Dallas school of negotiation. If you’ve never heard of it, go rent a dvd of “The Fifth Element”, grab a bowl of popcorn and learn a little bit about modern pop culture. I’m seriously considering going back to school. I could be one of the oldest Sophomores at ASU. Hey I graduated on the Dean’s List 23 yrs ago, I could probably do even better taking classes I was actually interested in. Of course my last semester was when I took the upper level history course on unconventional warfare in the 20th century. For some reason I did really well in that one. Perhaps thats why I seem to have a better grasp as to why the war against terror in and out of Iraq isn’t going to be over just because the Democrats say it is, nor can we lose militarily but we can lose psychologically. Someone needs to explain to the leaders of at least one political party in this country, and the citizens as a whole that you don’t “end” wars. You win or you lose them. Which do we want to do? Especially since the islamofascists (remember supporting terrorists could be called supporting diversity) have said they’d like to see the Israelis driven into the Mediterranean and the Islamic flag flying over the White House.

]]> By: David Schraub http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-590625 David Schraub Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:34:30 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-590625 13, Hardly. I support colleges admitting the most qualified students. I just think contributing to diversity is part of what makes one "most qualified." And what's more, you agree with me. You don't want an elite college band program with 40 trumpets and no flutes. You don't want an elite college science department to have 40 physicists and no bio majors. You don't want every incoming student to be from the same neighborhood in Boston. You don't want every incoming student to be able to afford a summer house in Maine. You want different students. Diversity (racial and otherwise) is important. Affirmative Action is what measures qualified. When I visited Cornell, the admissions staff told me a very interesting story. The said that they could make a class made up entirely of people they rejected--not waitlisted, rejected--and it would look identical, in terms of demographics, achievements, whatever, to any class they'd ever admitted. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The moral, they told me, was that 90% of the people applying to top-level universities can do the work and are more than qualified to be there. Once you've leaped that hurdle, then it's somewhat arbitrary. Do we need another saxophonist? How many community service projects are worth one debate trophy? Are too many of our students from New England? And, is it starting to hurt our educational mission when 85, 90, 95% of our students are White? The people who are admitted to Carleton and other schools under affirmative action programs are supremely qualified for the position they are in. I know that from my own experience at the college, I know that from talking to my friends at other colleges, and I know that from my interactions in the classroom. They're not flunking out. They're succeeding with flying colors. They are our best and brightest. And if we replaced these students with 100 kids whose names end in "the third," our school and our education would be the worse for it no matter what the SAT scores say. 13, Hardly. I support colleges admitting the most qualified students. I just think contributing to diversity is part of what makes one “most qualified.” And what’s more, you agree with me. You don’t want an elite college band program with 40 trumpets and no flutes. You don’t want an elite college science department to have 40 physicists and no bio majors. You don’t want every incoming student to be from the same neighborhood in Boston. You don’t want every incoming student to be able to afford a summer house in Maine. You want different students. Diversity (racial and otherwise) is important. Affirmative Action is what measures qualified.

When I visited Cornell, the admissions staff told me a very interesting story. The said that they could make a class made up entirely of people they rejected–not waitlisted, rejected–and it would look identical, in terms of demographics, achievements, whatever, to any class they’d ever admitted. You wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. The moral, they told me, was that 90% of the people applying to top-level universities can do the work and are more than qualified to be there. Once you’ve leaped that hurdle, then it’s somewhat arbitrary. Do we need another saxophonist? How many community service projects are worth one debate trophy? Are too many of our students from New England? And, is it starting to hurt our educational mission when 85, 90, 95% of our students are White?

The people who are admitted to Carleton and other schools under affirmative action programs are supremely qualified for the position they are in. I know that from my own experience at the college, I know that from talking to my friends at other colleges, and I know that from my interactions in the classroom. They’re not flunking out. They’re succeeding with flying colors. They are our best and brightest. And if we replaced these students with 100 kids whose names end in “the third,” our school and our education would be the worse for it no matter what the SAT scores say.

]]> By: PCD http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-590309 PCD Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:09:40 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-590309 12, So David, you prefer putting unqualified students into higher education where they fail or need massive academic support and grade quotas based solely on the color of their skin to mantain a mediocre presence in class? 12, So David, you prefer putting unqualified students into higher education where they fail or need massive academic support and grade quotas based solely on the color of their skin to mantain a mediocre presence in class?

]]> By: Conyers’ website politicizes House Judiciary Committee « Nuke’s NEWS & VIEWS http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/comment-page-1/#comment-590184 Conyers’ website politicizes House Judiciary Committee « Nuke’s NEWS & VIEWS Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:11:28 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/06/20/can-a-child-be-barred-on-the-basis-of-his-race-from-attending-a-particular-public-school/#comment-590184 [...] Trackposted to Outside the Beltway, Perri Nelson's Website, The Virtuous Republic, Right Truth, Shadowscope, The Pet Haven Blog, Stuck On Stupid, Leaning Straight Up, The Amboy Times, Pursuing Holiness, third world county, Right Celebrity, stikNstein: has no mercy, Nuke's news and views, Pirate's Cove, The Pink Flamingo, Right Voices, Blog @ MoreWhat.com, A Blog For All, DeMediacratic Nation, Jeanette's Celebrity Corner, Maggie's Notebook, Webloggin, The Bullwinkle Blog, Cao's Blog, Conservative Cat, Jo's Cafe, Diary of the Mad Pigeon, The Crazy Rants of Samantha Burns, The World According to Carl, Blue Star Chronicles, High Desert Wanderer, and The Yankee Sailor, thanks to Linkfest Haven Deluxe. [...] [...] Trackposted to Outside the Beltway, Perri Nelson’s Website, The Virtuous Republic, Right Truth, Shadowscope, The Pet Haven Blog, Stuck On Stupid, Leaning Straight Up, The Amboy Times, Pursuing Holiness, third world county, Right Celebrity, stikNstein: has no mercy, Nuke’s news and views, Pirate’s Cove, The Pink Flamingo, Right Voices, Blog @ MoreWhat.com, A Blog For All, DeMediacratic Nation, Jeanette’s Celebrity Corner, Maggie’s Notebook, Webloggin, The Bullwinkle Blog, Cao’s Blog, Conservative Cat, Jo’s Cafe, Diary of the Mad Pigeon, The Crazy Rants of Samantha Burns, The World According to Carl, Blue Star Chronicles, High Desert Wanderer, and The Yankee Sailor, thanks to Linkfest Haven Deluxe. [...]

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