Comments on: Just How Good Is National Healthcare (free)? What Did Moore Fail To Tell You?

By: Liberal Debutante » Blog Archive » Moore's Sicko

Liberal Debutante » Blog Archive » Moore's Sicko — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:30:51 +0000

[...] for Britain Moore failed to talked to quite a few people including the 850 000 Brits waiting for admissions to National Health Service hospitals. Or the 50 000 who had operations canceled. Or the 40% of cancer patients who have never seen an [...]

By: appletree » Blog Archive » Moore’s Sicko

appletree » Blog Archive » Moore’s Sicko — Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:28:21 +0000

By: snowy egret

snowy egret — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 04:56:53 +0000

I would like to see what happens next time MIKIE MUTTONHEAD gose to a hospital to have a check-up:razz:

By: TedintheShed

TedintheShed — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:52:53 +0000

More accurate numbers from a discussion on Glen Beck.

The current figure has been recently downgraded to 45 million.

10-14 million of these are folks who are curently eligible for Medicaid/Medicare, but have not signed up.

That leave 31 milliom.

19 million of those people who are unemployed for 4 moths or less.

That leaves 12 million.

Many of these are healthy 20 year olds that choose NOT to have healthcare, because they don’t need it. They’d rather use the money for a nice car stereo.

Far from the claims of 50 million. At 12 million though, that 4% of the population.

By: FrmrArtyOffcr

FrmrArtyOffcr — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:32:53 +0000

The comment about the emergency rooms only stabilizing patients is bs. If that were the case, a nurse could do triage outside the emergency rooms at the local hospital and pass out cold meds for all of the Illegals who are using it for a primary care physician. The hospital closest to my house has had to close its emergency room twice in the last 4 years for non payment. They’ve finally given up and turned it into an urgent care facility because urgent care units don’t have to provide free care.

On the topic of government run healthcare, do I really have to remind the liberals about how well the VA has been doing the past 60 years? Hell the military command structure gives commanders substantially more leeway to get things done than a standard bureaucracy and they still aren’t as good as they need to be AND that’s only serving a few million vets. What would make ANYONE think that the government can possibly administer the healthcare for over 300 million people? If the government REALLY wants to make the healthcare system work efficiently, they should hold a bid wherein insurance companies would buy groups of citizens and provide a cafeteria type insurance plan. They would then cut payroll taxes and allow the citizens to choose which of the plans to go with. A basic plan would be at no cost, a more advanced plan would have to be payed for. Of course that would require a TAX RATE CUT which we KNOW the libs will never go for.

By: Rocky Lore

Rocky Lore — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:17:02 +0000

I wonder if Moore uses those free health clinics that he campaigns for. DOUBT IT!

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:43:50 +0000

#12 It may not be this way where you live but in Kalifornia they get whatever they need. The Emergency Room is there when they need it (in practice, many abuse it as a clinic). There are clinics they go to when they don’t have an “emergency”. If they aren’t on Medical/Medicaid, they get referred to the “Ability to Pay” program. If it is determined they can’t pay, they pay zero. They get whatever they need and want. I can’t afford to go see a doctor for anything I can take care of myself. They go in every time they get the sniffles.

That’s free health care.

By: TedintheShed

TedintheShed — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:00:05 +0000

“Ted, you’re using some fuzzy assumptions.”

I am going by the ACS and by logical conclusions.

I will concede some of the point regarding unemployment (such as children, but does include the elderly as they are may time employed). However, I did not include illegal immigrant withing the unemployment figures, as I figured them outside of that realm.

So, we should probably adjust that by about 3-4 million.

“Lastly, do you really think illegal aliens filled out census forms?”

Irrelevant, as not everyone in the US fills these the ACS. They are included with the ACS stats, as it counts population. The ACS is an estimate of population and break down.

That said, it doesn’t change the fact that the 47 million number is a canard.

By: Toasted Tofu

Toasted Tofu — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:15:39 +0000

Ted, you’re using some fuzzy assumptions. First, employment does NOT equal having health care benefits. Second, 5% unemployment does not mean 5% of the total population. (children, elderly, disabled, illegals, etc, do not count). Lastly, do you really think illegal aliens filled out census forms? Unlikely thus their weight isn’t included in the 47 million estimate.

By: PCD

PCD — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:08:20 +0000

12, Tofu, between Ted and I, you are not being honest. You are not arguing that people are getting no health care, but are trying to confuse people to think so. Tofu, you are not honest in any debate you join.

Lefties like you, Tofu, know that what you want, total government paid for free health care for any ailment is not affordable and is not attainable, yet you want to lie to get what you can.