“If the Western media did their jobs and put these images in front of the world on a regular basis, it would undermine the nonsense that people believe about the mullahcracy in Teheran”
By: Pam On: Jun/24/07 -
Said Captain Ed about the collaberation of various blogs, led by Michelle Malkin, to publicize the latest human rights outrage in Iran!
   
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Masked Muslim moral police force a man wearing clothes deemed un-Islamic to suck on a plastic container Iranians use to wash their bottoms.
Bloodied, beaten, then taken away. Â
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Whipped for wearing a soccer shirt.
Behead all those who wear their hair too long.
Another public beating.
The Iranian morality police arrest the infidel after forcing him to drink from the toilet watering cans hanging around his neck.
Another head busted open in the name of Allah.
June 24, 2007 - 10:14 PM on June 24th, 2007
And IRAN is still in the UN and why isnt the UN Human rights comission doing anything?:mad:
June 25, 2007 - 05:14 AM on June 25th, 2007
I find it interesting to see a certain reluctance towards physical punishment abroad, while seeing you propagating death row and having heard that in some states in the US puninshment with the so-called paddle is still done…
June 25, 2007 - 06:01 AM on June 25th, 2007
Mattias,
As usual your head is full of mush disabling your ability to think.
“Spare the rod and spoil the child”. Europe is running away from Christianity because it forces people to look at themselves and their actions, not society and blaming society for all their ills.
June 25, 2007 - 06:40 AM on June 25th, 2007
2- Which stzate uses a paddle? And death row is for the members of society that have been tried in a court of law and found guilty..these death row prisoners are then given appeals prior to anybody being put to death…
Now let’s look at the subject at hand shall we?…these are people that are picked off the street, no jury, no appeal….
Can you see why it is hard to take you seriously….
June 25, 2007 - 06:52 AM on June 25th, 2007
re 2:
“I find it interesting to see a certain reluctance towards physical punishment abroad, while seeing you propagating death row and having heard that in some states in the US puninshment with the so-called paddle is still done:”
That is a poorly drawn moral equivilence. How can you make a comparison between this and what was posted? There is none.
June 25, 2007 - 07:50 AM on June 25th, 2007
2, Mattias, just to cure the misconception you have, Singapore has the official punishment of caning.
There was a young American punished that way for spray painting graffitti in Singapore who was punished in that manner. Since then, the young man grew up telling his parents to stop their whining in the press about the punishment and to stop the legal crap, too. I haven’t seen him in the news either. Maybe at your next infraction such a thing may cure you, too?
June 25, 2007 - 08:40 AM on June 25th, 2007
3- “Europe is running away from Christianity because it forces people to look at themselves and their actions…”
Thank you PCD, I take that as a compliment…
Yes, Europe lets parents decide when to (modestly) whack their disobedient children. On the other side, we europeans don’t expect civilians to carry guns to do the job of trained policemen…
4- German Wiki mentions: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wyoming
…but I did not verify that…
5- “That is a poorly drawn moral equivilence. How can you make a comparison between this and what was posted? There is none.”
Is it not?
I mean, do you think the physical harm legally done by a democratic government to its citizens feels “sweeter” than the one done by a fundamentalist regime?
June 25, 2007 - 08:46 AM on June 25th, 2007
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June 25, 2007 - 08:47 AM on June 25th, 2007
8- I never get this linking stuff done correctly- sry..
http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/statesBanning.php
June 25, 2007 - 08:50 AM on June 25th, 2007
9- With knowing that Billy Clinton comes from Arkansas and seeing that the spanking percentage there is at 7%, I wonder if they didn’t accidently include some “erotic punishment” into that statistic…
June 25, 2007 - 09:11 AM on June 25th, 2007
Matthias, you linked to punishment in the school system which has nothing to do with deathrow!:mad: Could you at least try to keep on one subject?:idea: Guess what? It is legal according to our laws. Out of the 272,028 school children in the U.S. that were subjected to physical punishment, how many were found to be unjustly punished?
June 25, 2007 - 01:30 PM on June 25th, 2007
There was a young American punished that way for spray painting graffitti in Singapore who was punished in that manner.
Remember that case well, it was in the early 90s. I remember the libs in the media were all in a tizzy complaining how barbaric, how awful this punishment was.
I cheered it on. Simple, direct, finite. Made perfect sense (anathema to the left).
June 25, 2007 - 01:38 PM on June 25th, 2007
Now the Libs in America would have handled it much differently. First the police would have been criticized for harassing this graffiti “artist”. If he had been an ethnic minority, the racism card would of course have been played.
The “artist” would have been lauded for his efforts, although illegal, to convey a cultural message of importance because it represents diversity.
Then his transgression would be further rationalized; he grew up in an abusive home; it is really America’s fault, even a lingering problem created by eight years of Ronald Reagan.
By the time they would be through they’d find a way to explain it all as the fault of the Republicans and the evil, white racist U.S. Gov’t.
I am not joking about this.
June 25, 2007 - 01:51 PM on June 25th, 2007
11- “Guess what? It is legal according to our laws.”
That is stoning for adultery and hacking off hands for stealing as well in the sharia (in the Bush-Family’s favorite country Saudi-Arabia)- but I don’t have to appreciate it… do I?
June 25, 2007 - 01:56 PM on June 25th, 2007
14, Uh, Ask your Imam if he’d implement Sharia in Germany if he could. Also, ask your wife about the same laws in the country of her family’s origins. Maybe you’ll escape with your balls.
June 25, 2007 - 02:49 PM on June 25th, 2007
“Is it not?
I mean, do you think the physical harm legally done by a democratic government to its citizens feels “sweeter”than the one done by a fundamentalist regime?”
No, there is none.
How the punishment “feels” is irrelevant. What is relevant is the standard of due process afforded the citizen.
“That is stoning for adultery and hacking off hands for stealing as well in the sharia (in the Bush-Family’s favorite country Saudi-Arabia)- but I don’t have to appreciate it: do I?”
Again, this is moral irrelevance. In other words you are making invalid comparisons.
June 25, 2007 - 08:13 PM on June 25th, 2007
Gosh…this really brings back the not-so-distant memories of what our own law enforcement agencies accross the south and elsewhere did to the American Black.
How soon you forget the high pressure fire-hoses aimed at men and women, young and old.
Do you remember the violent beatings of peaceful marchers? The police dogs attacking under orders?
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The point?
First, and most important: OF COURSE, what the Iranian police did was disgusting, inhumane and unequivocally WRONG.
Second…don’t pretend that our own shit doesn’t stink. (!) We have done this to our own people on a mass scale, and we did it less than 40 years ago.
Third, I don’t know ANYONE who has any false idea about the government of Iran and how they treat their people. I think we all understand that it’s a terrible government.
June 25, 2007 - 08:16 PM on June 25th, 2007
Third, I don’t know ANYONE who has any false idea about the government of Iran and how they treat their people. I think we all understand that it’s a terrible government.
Obviously you don’t pay attention…
June 25, 2007 - 08:21 PM on June 25th, 2007
Actually the little twit who got his back side caned for spray painting someone’s Mercedes (isn’t that a shooting offense in Germany?) was even more of a juvenile delinquent when he got back to the states. Last I heard he was in jail for one offense or another.
As for the citizenry being armed in the US, the same can be said for Switzerland. Registering and then confiscating the firearms of all of the citizenry that the government felt were unsuitable to be armed, was the first action of the Third Reich in its path toward implementing Adolph Hitler’s final solution. His exact quote in 1935 was “This year will go down in history. (That’s an understatement) For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, (tell that to the Jews, Gipsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, handicapped, etc etc.) our police more efficient, (That’s definitely one thing you can give the SS and Gestapo credit for, efficiency.) and the world will follow our lead into the future.” (Well at least that’s the goal of the Democratic party and George Soros. All of whom have armed body guards.)
Thomas Jefferson on the other hand said that “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won’t be used until someone tries to take it away.”
Hey Mattias, the last time Germany got to be as large as some of our larger states, they had to invade at least 2 other countries. There’s a huge difference between the two countries. The state I live in is close to 300 miles north to south and almost 400 miles east to west. That’s just the state of Arizona. Nevada, Colorado, and a number of others are roughly that size and Texas is a lot LARGER. We won’t even go into the size of Alaska. Hell we have a wild life refuge in Alaska that’s probably bigger than Germany.
June 25, 2007 - 08:27 PM on June 25th, 2007
“Obviously you don’t pay attention…”
Oh, come on Peejz. WHO in the Western World supports the Iranian government!?
Like I said, I think just about all of us agree that the government of Iran is bad news for its own people and for the world.
June 25, 2007 - 08:28 PM on June 25th, 2007
Let me add, not “support” with miltary hardware like Russia and China, but actual political support.
June 25, 2007 - 08:39 PM on June 25th, 2007
Actually the little twit who got his back side caned for spray painting someone’s Mercedes (isn’t that a shooting offense in Germany?) was even more of a juvenile delinquent when he got back to the states. Last I heard he was in jail for one offense or another.
Wow! Hitting people to correct their behavior really works, doesn’t it?!?
Oh, wait…he became more of a f*ck-up? Hmmm…
June 25, 2007 - 09:00 PM on June 25th, 2007
No San Fran, a self absorbed jerk who gets away with everything never learns to not be a selfish jerk. Spanking works for small children. If you haven’t corrected their aberrent behavior by the time they reach elementary school, it becomes MUCH harder to do so. My ex-wife was a disciple of T.Barry Braselton who said you must never strike a child. Well after putting up with a 4 yr old terrorizing the house and thinking she ruled the roost, I introduced our daughter to a totally different form of punishment. It didn’t involve putting her in her room with all of her toys. It involved me explaining what she had done wrong, that I didn’t want to punish her but that she had misbehaved after being told not to and had to be punished for misbehaving. I then put her over my knee and spanked her bottom a couple of times. I hugged her, told her that I loved her, and that she would be spanked again if she were disobedient again. I only had to spank her about 4 times in 3 days before her entire disposition changed. She became a well behaved child. Two years of time out/ go to your room/ sit in the corner achieved NOTHING. 4 trips across the knee in 3 days achieved results. It’s called tough love, and it works. The problem is that people don’t understand that if you nip the being a holy terror thing in the bud while they’re young, you won’t have a problem when they get older. That’s why I favor lowering the drinking age to 2 years below the driving age. Let them get it out of their systems BEFORE they’re old enough to go out driving drunk.
June 25, 2007 - 09:04 PM on June 25th, 2007
Sean Penn..Jimmy Carter
June 25, 2007 - 09:27 PM on June 25th, 2007
“Let me add, not “support”with military hardware like Russia and China, but actual political support.”
Russia and China support the Iranian government in the UN every day.
June 25, 2007 - 09:42 PM on June 25th, 2007
“Sean Penn..Jimmy Carter”
Please. If you were to ask either one of them “do you support the Iranian government?” you have to know they’d say “of course not”.
Seriously. Nobody actually likes the Iranian government.
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FAO, I honestly have no opinion on spanking. I don’t have kids, so I’m not really sure what I would do in a situation.
I guess I’d like to think that I could control my anger when my kid is acting up. I’m hoping that there’ll be ways to correct my kids behavior with non-aggressive means…but, hey, you never know.
While you were sure to dish out love-based punishment, I gotta admit that I see a lot of parents smack their kids with more than a hint of anger…
Regarding the Capital Punishment, of course SF Lib is 100% against it. The State has NO business killing people. It’s frankly disgusting that America still does this. For shame, America. For shame.
June 26, 2007 - 01:45 AM on June 26th, 2007
19- “The state I live in is close to 300 miles north to south and almost 400 miles east to west. That’s just the state of Arizona. Nevada, Colorado, and a number of others are roughly that size and Texas is a lot LARGER. We won’t even go into the size of Alaska. Hell we have a wild life refuge in Alaska that’s probably bigger than Germany.”
I am not completely sure, what you want to tell me. Are you suggesting that the larger a country is, the more aggressively/violently the order must be “defended”?
23- “I only had to spank her about 4 times in 3 days before her entire disposition changed. She became a well behaved child.”
I don’t think many people will protest against parents who spank their kid’s bottoms once or twice, but I think this paddle-thing is something completely different: it is based upon a law, it is done with a hard wooden tool, it is done by people who are (as all humans) not perfect- neither in the decision when to punish nor in the way how to apply the punishment.
I mean, if Mr.”wrong-Soccer-Shirt” had been beaten up by some other team’s hooligan fans, nobody would care- it’s kind of a “private” thing. But if the Iranian police that executes valid Iranian right that was given by a legally elected Iranian government (as sick it may be), then everybody in the western world gets upset!!!
June 26, 2007 - 06:23 AM on June 26th, 2007
26, SFL, Yes, Carter supports Iran as well as Hammas. Just get his latest screed against Israel. Carter is funded by the same people who hate Israel and fund Palestinian terror.
June 26, 2007 - 08:06 AM on June 26th, 2007
Carter is an utter disgrace, a true pos who has assured his legacy.