H/T to Newsbusters for the link to Townhall.com’s Josue Sierra’s blog , who in turn thanked Stefania Lapenna at “Free Thoughts.” The photos were taken by one Dr. Darsi Ferrer.

Please check out the photos! So sad!

37 Responses to “THIS IS WHAT MICHAEL MOORE DIDN’T WANT YOU TO SEE AT CUBAN HOSPITALS”

1. Robert
   July 11, 2007 - 07:10 PM on July 11th, 2007

   That’s the problem with Moore as has been pointed out before. With a demonstrated track record of extreme bias, falsehoods, manipulations, outright lies and propaganda, Moore has zero credibility.

   So I would not see his movie simply because it would be a 100% waste of time. I don’t care what the promos say, anything produced by Michael Moore is justifiably written off.

   He has only himself to blame for destroying any value his work might ever have and any relevance he might ever have.

   Michael Moore? Flush…

2. Peejz
   July 11, 2007 - 07:20 PM on July 11th, 2007

   I would slit my wrists before i sent a loved one to that hell hole for “top notch” medical care!

3. FrmrArtyOffcr
   July 11, 2007 - 08:32 PM on July 11th, 2007

   That’s the same third world cess pool that the liberal democrats want for everyone in this country…. except for them of course.

4. snowy egret
   July 11, 2007 - 10:42 PM on July 11th, 2007

   If Micheal Muttonhead realy thinks cuba is so great why dont he go live there he can be the JOSEPH GOBELS of cuba

5. TedintheShed
   July 12, 2007 - 05:59 AM on July 12th, 2007

   So, what you are implying is Mr. Moore’s “documentary” was cloaked in half truths and bias?

   There’s a shocker…“

6. Lord Auch
   July 12, 2007 - 10:51 AM on July 12th, 2007

   “So, what you are implying is Mr. Moore’s “documentary”was cloaked in half truths and bias?

   There’s a shocker.”

   The right is using the film’s short treatment of cuba as a way of avoiding discussion of the fact that 1) the US health care system is ranked lower than any other first world country and 2) the US is the only country of comparable resources that doesn’t gurantee health care for its citizenry?

   There’s a shocker.

7. Peejz
   July 12, 2007 - 11:37 AM on July 12th, 2007

   No Lord Auch, we aren’t. You say we are ranked lowest, but who are you comparing us to and where are you getting your made up facts from.

   Every citizen has access to healthcare, it is up to them to pursue it.

8. TedintheShed
   July 12, 2007 - 12:38 PM on July 12th, 2007

   “1) the US health care system is ranked lower than any other first world country and”

   Let’s not objurgate the facts.

   Got a link to that, because my sources say otherwise. We have the highest quality healthcare insurance in the world. We have the most expensive, but still have the highest quality.

   “2) the US is the only country of comparable resources that doesn’t gurantee health care for its citizenry?”

   What’s wrong with that? Those countries healthcare systems are heading to the tank or are of the poorest quality. So it sounds good to me.

9. Robert
   July 12, 2007 - 01:09 PM on July 12th, 2007

   Here’s the link to Lord Auch’s fact datbase;

   http://www.michaelmoore.com/excreta/feces/healthcare/bashUS

   

10. Rocky Lore
    July 12, 2007 - 04:05 PM on July 12th, 2007

    If Cuban health care is so great:

    1.) Why did Castro have Spanish doctors take care of him?
    2.) Why aren’t all its supporters flocking to Cuban hospitals?
    3.) Why do Americans live longer than Cubans?

11. Lord Auch
    July 13, 2007 - 09:38 AM on July 13th, 2007

    8. “Got a link to that, because my sources say otherwise.”

    Link to your “sources”?

    “We have the highest quality healthcare insurance in the world. We have the most expensive, but still have the highest quality.”

    The world health organization disagrees. See below.

    Those countries healthcare systems are heading to the tank or are of the poorest quality. So it sounds good to me.”

    Wow, shocking ignorance of the facts. Here are the WHO rankings: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

    10. Here’s an article on Cuba if you’re curious: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brlatinamericara/300.php?nid=&id=&pnt=300&lb=brla

    Also, you’re wrong about life-expectancy. Life expectancy in the United States is 77.5 years. It is 77.6 years in Cuba. Here’s a link: http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/pdfs/report/HDR06-complete.pdf

    Cuba’s a small, poor, repressive country. Our health care system should be infinitely superior. It’s not.

    Incidentally, we do rank highest in patient satisfaction. It seems that we’re dying from smugness.

    Do some reasearch, kids. You’re embarassing yourselves.

12. TedintheShed
    July 13, 2007 - 09:53 AM on July 13th, 2007

    8.

    The WHO? That’s what I thought.

    May I have a legitimate source, please?

    Thank you,

    Ted

13. Lord Auch
    July 13, 2007 - 10:28 AM on July 13th, 2007

    The World Health Organization is illegitimate, huh? I guess that I’m supposed to take your word on that. Can you provide evidence that their findings are flawed?

    I’m still waiting for that link to your “sources.”

14. Drake
    July 13, 2007 - 10:39 AM on July 13th, 2007

    Have you even read this report? First of all it was dated 2000, yet Afghanistan a country basically in anarchy is ranked ahead of around 17 other countries. Very interesting. That makes me suspicious of their “findings” right off the bat.

15. Lord Auch
    July 13, 2007 - 10:51 AM on July 13th, 2007

    14. Look at the countries that Afghanistan is ranked ahead of: E.g., Cambodia, Somalia, Zambia, (the ironically named)Democratic Republic of the Congo, Myanmar, etc. Not exactly vacation spots.

    Do some research.

16. Lord Auch
    July 13, 2007 - 10:52 AM on July 13th, 2007

    I’m still waiting on that link to Ted’s “sources.”

17. Drake
    July 13, 2007 - 11:16 AM on July 13th, 2007

    That’s hilarious, I should do some reasearch? You’re the one who is actually trying to say that a study on PUBLIC health care systems which shows two countries without functioning governments ranked ahead of other nations is legitimate? Your only reply is that the other nations are not “vacation spots”? The absurdity of it all. You’re insane!

18. Lord Auch
    July 13, 2007 - 02:15 PM on July 13th, 2007

    17. So you’d describe the African countries listed beneath Afghanistan (most of which are nearly obliterated by civil war, starvation, disease, poverty, and some of the worst genocidal policies since the Final Solution) as possesing “functioning governments?” You’re an idiot.

19. Toasted Tofu
    July 13, 2007 - 10:45 PM on July 13th, 2007

    7- “Every citizen has access to healthcare, it is up to them to pursue it.”

    Oh REALLY? Guess you only interact with a small circle of friends with solid insurance. I have friends that can’t even get medical insurance at any price because of some pre-existing condition. You really need to wake up and see smell the burning coffee.

    Wall-Street based health insurance companies do what exactly? Doctors, hospitals, and clinics provide health care. Patients provide the need. For-Profit insurance does what? Nothing, except manage money like a legal bookie, doing whatever they can (denying claims, dropping the sick, etc) to increase shareholder value and sending insurance premium dollars back to their greedy stock holders as well as paying astronomical compensation packages to their executives.

20. snowy egret
    July 14, 2007 - 01:39 PM on July 14th, 2007

    What if MICHEAL MUTTONHEAD broke his leg or was in car accedent would he rather be sent to cuba for treament?

21. Lord Auch
    July 14, 2007 - 04:41 PM on July 14th, 2007

    20. He said “no” on Larry King. His point about Cuba was that their health care (although the product of a poor, repressive country crippled by sanctions) is nonetheless promised to all of its citizenry.

    The medical systems of France and England, on the other hand, are clearly more desirable (than those of Cuba or the US).

    It’s funny how the right only wants to talk about Cuba, though…

    Have you simply accepted the fact that we’re doomed to lag behind France, Italy, San Marino, Andorra, Malta, Singapore, Spain, Oman, Austria, Japan, Norway, etc, etc, etc…?

22. Lord Auch
    July 14, 2007 - 04:43 PM on July 14th, 2007

    Also, is Ted still searching for his “sources?”

23. FrmrArtyOffcr
    July 15, 2007 - 12:10 AM on July 15th, 2007

    Yes, Brits and Canadians have access to healthcare. Even if it takes them so long to access it that they die waiting for treatment. There is a reason why so many Canadians drive to the US for treatment.

    As for preexisting conditions, unless they’re life threatening, there are ways to get insurance. The quickest way for anyone to get insurance with preexisting conditions is to have the conditions exempted and opt for a high deductable. It’s amazing exactly how much lower your premiums are when you aren’t expecting the insuarance company to pay for every aspirin and bandaid. My ex-wife couldn’t believe that I signed us up for a $500 deductible instead of a $100 one and put $1000 into a Flexible spending account. The difference saved us over $150 a month. Not only did I save us $1800 in premiums annually, the FSA could be used for optical and dental bills which the premiums wouldn’t have covered anyway.

    To whine because an insurance company won’t cover you because you have a preexisting condition is like complaining that you can’t get home owner’s insurance once the house has caught fire. BTW since when has it been someone else’s responsibility to pay your medical bills? You want to see medical costs come down? Insist on torte reform. Take away the inordinately high malpractice lawsuits and malpractice insurance costs will drop. Texas has put limits on malpractice lawsuits and now they have more doctors moving to Texas than they have time to process their licensing applications. Eventually the laws of supply and demand will kick in and prices will drop.

24. FrmrArtyOffcr
    July 15, 2007 - 12:14 AM on July 15th, 2007

    Hey Lord Auch, it doesn’t take much to prove the illegitimacy of the World Health Organization. Read some of THEIR recent statements about supporting statements and positions without actually researching them to insure they’re factual. We don’t have to prove their statements are inaccurate or illegitimate, they’ve freely admitted it.

25. FrmrArtyOffcr
    July 15, 2007 - 12:25 AM on July 15th, 2007

    Tofu, if you think that stockholders shouldn’t receive a return on their investments, you should go out and raise a few billion dollars to start your own insurance company. When the money is gone because you’ve paid $1,000,000 for a procedure that has a less than 20% chance of success and can’t afford to pay for ten $100,000 procedures with 90% chance of success, how are you going to explain to the people who have paid you below market premiums that they aren’t going to get their procedures? You’re right health insurance is a crap shoot. The insurance companies bet everyday that they are going to pay less in claims than they’re taking in in premiums. Exactly how many people paying $400 a month for coverage does it take to pay for one $250,000 procedure? Like the one a doctor in the northeast provided pro bono (that’s free for the liberals on this site) to an illegal alien without insurance who was using the ER because he knew he couldn’t be denied treatment despite his inability to pay or even his status as an illegal alien.

26. Kellog
    July 15, 2007 - 09:21 AM on July 15th, 2007

    23. “Yes, Brits and Canadians have access to healthcare. Even if it takes them so long to access it that they die waiting for treatment. There is a reason why so many Canadians drive to the US for treatment.”

    This statement is false; that’s why it isn’t backed up by any stats, links, etc.

    “To whine because an insurance company won’t cover you because you have a preexisting condition is like complaining that you can’t get home owner’s insurance once the house has caught fire.”

    A stupid non-analogy. Many pre-existing conditions are inborn. One doesn’t have the option of choosing the body that s/he is born with.

    24. “We don’t have to prove their statements are inaccurate or illegitimate, they’ve freely admitted it.”

    You need to provide evidence of this fact; otherwise you’re just talking out of your ass. If it’s so easy to prove their illegitimacy, do so.

    As usual, the right sides with the corporations (in this case insurance companies rather than oil companies) against the US citizens.

27. Toasted Tofu
    July 15, 2007 - 04:17 PM on July 15th, 2007

    “Take away the inordinately high malpractice lawsuits and malpractice insurance costs will drop. Texas has put limits on malpractice lawsuits and now they have more doctors moving to Texas than they have time to process their licensing applications. Eventually the laws of supply and demand will kick in and prices will drop.”

    Ah, there it is! The old torte reform myth and it’s inaccurate spouted relationship to soaring health insurance costs. Reality: medical mal-practice insurance + payments out + lawsuit costs = less than 1/2 of 1% of the total dollars spent on health care in this country each year.

    Meanwhile, the administrative overhead + profit + shareholder dividends at for-profit health insurance companies is 25-30% of revenue. Medicare has an overhead of 1-3%.

    Now which is going to impact health care costs to the consumer more significantly and dramatically? Torte reform or moving to a single-payer non-profit/non-wallstreet model like Medicare?

28. Lord Auch
    July 15, 2007 - 04:39 PM on July 15th, 2007

    Hey T.T., don’t come to FAO with actual facts; the facts might threaten his uninformed re-statement of old right-wing myths.

29. Peejz
    July 15, 2007 - 07:05 PM on July 15th, 2007

    Ah, there it is! The old torte reform myth and it’s inaccurate spouted relationship to soaring health insurance costs. Reality: medical mal-practice insurance + payments out + lawsuit costs = less than 1/2 of 1% of the total dollars spent on health care in this country each year.

    Myth? Do you even know any doctors? It’s no myth..

30. Peejz
    July 15, 2007 - 07:08 PM on July 15th, 2007

    The medical systems of France and England, on the other hand, are clearly more desirable (than those of Cuba or the US).

    More desirable to whom?

    26- SICKO:In Canada, dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week. Humans can wait two to three years

    Here is a different perspective on Canada’s “free”healthcare system:

    Lindsay McCreith, would have had to wait for four months just to get an MRI, and then months more to see a neurologist for his malignant brain tumor. Instead, frustrated and ill, the retired auto-body shop owner traveled to Buffalo, N.Y., for a lifesaving surgery. Now he’s suing for the right to opt out of Canada’s government-run health care, which he considers dangerous.

    In 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that “access to wait lists is not access to health care,”striking down key Quebec laws that prohibited private medicine and private health insurance.

    Consider, for instance, Mr. Moore’s claim that ERs don’t overcrowd in Canada. A Canadian government study recently found that only about half of patients are treated in a timely manner, as defined by local medical and hospital associations. “The research merely confirms anecdotal reports of interminable waits,”reported a national newspaper. While people in rural areas seem to fare better, Toronto patients receive care in four hours on average; one in 10 patients waits more than a dozen hours.

    In Britain, the Department of Health recently acknowledged that one in eight patients wait more than a year for surgery. Around the time Mr. Moore was putting the finishing touches on his documentary, a hospital in Sutton Coldfield announced its new money-saving linen policy: Housekeeping will no longer change the bed sheets between patients, just turn them over. France’s system failed so spectacularly in the summer heat of 2003 that 13,000 people died, largely of dehydration. Hospitals stopped answering the phones and ambulance attendants told people to fend for themselves.

    Under the weight of demographic shifts and strained by the limits of command-and-control economics, government-run health systems have turned out to be less than utopian. The stories are the same: dirty hospitals, poor standards and difficulty accessing modern drugs and tests.Admittedly, the recent market reforms are gradual and controversial. But facts are facts, the reforms are real, and they represent a major trend in health care. What does Mr. Moore’s documentary say about that? Nothing.

31. Peejz
    July 15, 2007 - 09:16 PM on July 15th, 2007

    The World Health Organization? Legitimate? The international bureaucracy created, in the words of its constitution, to “promote and protect the health of all peoples.” The organization that put a billboard along a road in Mozambique, where people walk or if they are really lucky, ride an oxen, and electicity is unheard of, but the message on the board urged the people of Mozambique to remember to buckle their seatbelts, and the sign had electricity.
    ….

    WHO gives indoor use of DDT a clean bill of health for controlling malaria

    Who Cares? The World Health Organization cares more about its own life than the lives of the poor

32. Robert
    July 15, 2007 - 09:22 PM on July 15th, 2007

    “Ah, there it is! The old torte reform myth and it’s inaccurate spouted relationship to soaring health insurance costs. Reality: medical mal-practice insurance + payments out + lawsuit costs = less than 1/2 of 1% of the total dollars spent on health care in this country each year.”

    You have forgotten to include a very substantial cost: The batteries of tests Doctors order not because they are necessary, not because the Doctor thinks they might be necessary, but to cover the bases.

    That is a huge, vast, wasted cost.

    Reality: Get the F’ing lawyers OUT of the equation if you want real reform.

33. San Francisco Liberal
    July 15, 2007 - 09:28 PM on July 15th, 2007

    American style Universal Health Care is inevitable.

    It’s only a matter of time before some democrat congress or president gives every single american free health care.

    Seriously.

    And it’s only going to happen faster because your republican team has squandered their historicm yet short lived, congressional majority and your idiodic moron of a president has made it nearly impossible to have a republican successor to his historically disgraceful administration.

    Your team fucked up. Like, BAD.

    And this is what you get for it.

    (!)

34. San Francisco Liberal
    July 15, 2007 - 09:30 PM on July 15th, 2007

    oops…

    “historic, yet short lived, congressional majority”

35. Peejz
    July 15, 2007 - 09:32 PM on July 15th, 2007

    How the hell is it free if the government is paying for it?

36. San Francisco Liberal
    July 16, 2007 - 11:58 AM on July 16th, 2007

    Like the guy from Canada in “Sicko”, who was waiting at the doctors office…

    They ask; “sir, how much is this doctor visit going to cost you?”

    He answers: “nothing”

37. PCD
    July 16, 2007 - 12:22 PM on July 16th, 2007

    36, SFL, too bad you are too mentally ill to recognize you are mentally ill. TANSTAFL!

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