NYT’s Has The CLASSIFIED Plan: U.S. Seen in Iraq Until at Least ‘09
Well, I guess it isn’t classified any longer!
The classified plan, which represents the coordinated strategy of the top American commander and the American ambassador, calls for restoring security in local areas, including Baghdad, by the summer of 2008. “Sustainable security” is to be established on a nationwide basis by the summer of 2009, according to American officials familiar with the document.
The detailed document, known as the Joint Campaign Plan, is an elaboration of the new strategy President Bush signaled in January when he decided to send five additional American combat brigades and other units to Iraq. That signaled a shift from the previous strategy, which emphasized transferring to Iraqis the responsibility for safeguarding their security.
July 24, 2007 - 04:31 AM on July 24th, 2007
So here is the riddle for you- where is the mismatch in the three statements below ?
A) “Mission accomplished”, G.W. Bush
B) “U.S. Seen in Iraq Until at Least ‘09″, Classified plan
C) “Bush was right”, the right brothers
July 24, 2007 - 06:04 AM on July 24th, 2007
Mission was accomplished for the 1st wave, but then you already knew that..
Bush told us repeatedly that this would be in this for the long haul when the Global War on Terrorism began
Great song…
July 24, 2007 - 06:19 AM on July 24th, 2007
1.
I see no “mismatch”.
July 24, 2007 - 06:48 AM on July 24th, 2007
1&2 -
Bin Laden is doing relaxed hiking in Pakistan’s Hills, there is war in Afghanistan and Iraq, Al Quaeda is as strong as always, 3000+ US soldiers are dead, tenthousands of people in Iraq are dead, billions of taxes were wasted for defense budget, the oil price is higher than ever before and meanwhile Iran and NK are undisturbed developing real WMDs….
Shit was accomplished! That is the only statement which is right!
July 24, 2007 - 07:31 AM on July 24th, 2007
“Bin Laden is doing relaxed hiking in Pakistan’s Hills”
Bullshit. He’s in hiding. He isn’t “doing relaxed hiking”.
“there is war in Afghanistan and Iraq”
Yes there is…you are very observant.
“Al Quaeda is as strong as always”
Not “as always”. They dipped in strength and regained it. It is an issue that we have to address, for sure. But ignoring by sitting on our hands as you wish us to do will NOT solve the problem.
“3000+ US soldiers are dead”
Yes, there are. For the immesne war that we are waging, that number is well within reasonable expectations.
“tenthousands of people in Iraq are dead”
Yes, there are thanks to al Queda and Hussein.
“billions of taxes were wasted for defense budget”
This money has been wasted to an extent, but only because of the post occupation failure thus far. However, every war goes horribly wrong until it goes right. That is proven by history. The actions in Iraq and Afganistan were not a waste.
“the oil price is higher than ever before”
Holy non-sequitor!
“Iran and NK are undisturbed developing real WMDs:”
Perhaps you should try reading the papaer and studying history.
You did know that NK is disarming, right?
July 24, 2007 - 07:38 AM on July 24th, 2007
Bin Laden is doing relaxed hiking in Pakistan’s Hills,
otherwise known as cowering in a cave until his demise
there is war in Afghanistan and Iraq,
what’s new here? There has been war in both for decades, the only difference is, the GOOD GUYS are there now…killing the BAD GUYS.
Al Quaeda is as strong as always,
hence all of the devastating attacks they have mounted on US soil in the past 6 years…sure.
3000+ US soldiers are dead,
more have died on the streets of Philly, DC, Boston and Detroit in the same period (all cities run by minority, democratic mayors / governments.. when will these a-holes be able to declare an end to major combat operations, I wonder?)
tenthousands of people in Iraq are dead,
yeah, muslim animals… yee haw!
billions of taxes were wasted for defense budget,
rather spend them on defense than pissing them away on ho-hos, ring dings, strawberry soda, free cable, subsidized housing, health care and utilities for america’s “poor”
the oil price is higher than ever before
So, maybe the French and German crooks shouldn’t have been in bed with Saddam, hording the oil, stealing money and killing people, hmmm?????
and meanwhile Iran and NK are undisturbed developing real WMDs:.
don’t worry, they’ll get theirs soon.. unless the american people lose their mind and elect someone like B. Hussein Obama president.
July 24, 2007 - 07:59 AM on July 24th, 2007
aahhh, B. Hussein Obama the muslim candidate for president. mmmmmmhhhhh, Americans elect him then we will most certainly be f k d!
July 24, 2007 - 08:05 AM on July 24th, 2007
Mattias,
Were you thrown on your head as a baby?
July 24, 2007 - 08:16 AM on July 24th, 2007
5&6- Folks…
…as we are touching military areas: Do you know my favorite quote from “Platoon”?
“Excuses are just like assholes, everyone has one.”
Assuming only a small bit of truth in this, the Bush-supporters must still have billions of assholes!!!
July 24, 2007 - 08:26 AM on July 24th, 2007
So, is that how you are justifying post #4? It is a list of excuses, after all.
I don’t understand Matthias- why do you have such a disconnect? It seems you are unable to look at a subject with objectivity and examine it logically, but instead look at it subjectively substituting passion with facts.
You say “Bin Laden is doing relaxed hiking in Pakistan’s Hills” when you have to obviously know that isn’t the case. You say “Iran and NK are undisturbed developing real WMDs:” when it is all over the news the North Korea is disarming? You use a non-sequitor like “the oil price is higher than ever before” when it has little to nothing to do with the topic.
Can you explain this please?
July 24, 2007 - 08:39 AM on July 24th, 2007
he makes no sense, like all liberals.. they begin with the premise.. america (especially conservative, patriotic, republican, white, male, heterosexuals) are wrong… ALWAYS….
and then they just invent arguments to fit this premise.
it’s actually hilarious to watch.
Both Ted and I shredded his inane post, point by idiotic point, and what does he come back with? No “liar liar, pants on fire” defense, Matthias?
you tool.
July 24, 2007 - 08:45 AM on July 24th, 2007
” they begin with the premise…and then they just invent arguments to fit this premise”
You know, I have to admit I’ve noticed this with him. And while not all liberals do this, many more liberals than conservatives seem to. It seems that thefolks that do this are driven my a compassionate knee jerk reaction, and then try to tailor facts to fit their premise. When the facts do not fit, the whistle past the graveyard.
July 24, 2007 - 08:53 AM on July 24th, 2007
10- “You say “Bin Laden is doing relaxed hiking in Pakistan’s Hills”when you have to obviously know that isn’t the case.”
Prove me the opposite!
“when it is all over the news the North Korea is disarming?”
NK switched off some nuclear power plant- what does that show regarding WMDs???
“[oil price] when it has little to nothing to do with the topic.”
Conservative icons like “Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs.”-Henry Kissinger most likely have a different opinion on this!!
July 24, 2007 - 08:57 AM on July 24th, 2007
11- “he makes no sense, like all liberals..”
I know, Mike, that most US conservative only have a perception horizon that is able to work with clear statements like “Bush was right”, but the concept of discussion normally goes beyond statements like “X is always right and Y makes no sense, like all Ys” or “the GOOD GUYS are there now:killing the BAD GUYS”…
You can take such spirit to become the next Bruce Willis’ movie script writer…
July 24, 2007 - 09:14 AM on July 24th, 2007
and you can be the next proagandist for genocide, Leni
July 24, 2007 - 09:15 AM on July 24th, 2007
13.
“Prove me the opposite!”
First, work on your English. “Prove me the opposite” is nonsensical.
That said, it is your assertion- the burdon of proof is yours to prove the intelligence reports wrong.
“NK switched off some nuclear power plant- what does that show regarding WMDs???”
It has everything to do with WMD’s- without the program they can no longer make and develop them. Perhaps you should read the IAEA’s report:
http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/PressReleases/2007/prn200712.html
“Conservative icons like “Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs.â€-Henry Kissinger most likely have a different opinion on this!!”
Still, I am waiting to know how a non-sequitor like “the oil price is higher than ever before” has to do with the topic? This in no way answers that question.
July 24, 2007 - 09:15 AM on July 24th, 2007
13 & 14, Mattias again you show your shallowness of thought and dealing with the constructs that originate in your mind but don’t exist in the real world.
But just one thing for you to ponder, “nowhere man”, is that the nuke plant the Norks are shutting down was the one that supplied plutonium for their atomic bombs. I know that fact is too much for you to handle, let alone process.
July 24, 2007 - 09:32 AM on July 24th, 2007
14.
One other thing:
God exists: “Prove me the opposite!”
July 24, 2007 - 10:45 AM on July 24th, 2007
There is some doubt as to whether Bin Laden is still alive; if he is he sure isn’t sticking his head up.
It is certain he is not enjoying relaxing hiking in Pakistan.
Matthias, I gotta at least give you credit for being tenacious. You are much like one of those child’s toys, the inflatable punching bag clown weighted at the bottom. When you punch one of those it goes over, but always keeps coming back upright for more.
July 24, 2007 - 10:49 AM on July 24th, 2007
I wonder if the NYT, having obtained the Classified Plan, first made sure the enemy had it before going public with it here?
SHUT that treasonous rag down NOW! Jail the Editor!
July 24, 2007 - 12:19 PM on July 24th, 2007
16,18 -
a) Please apologize that I don’t speak to language to the ultimate perfection. It’s the best you can expect from my side, unless you made the effort to speak MY language!
b) I don’t feel the need to prove that God does not exit- I believe he exists (even though I must assume he created folks like you…)
July 24, 2007 - 02:00 PM on July 24th, 2007
“16,18 -
a) Please apologize that I don’t speak to language to the ultimate perfection. It’s the best you can expect from my side, unless you made the effort to speak MY language!”
No, I will not accept this excuse. If you wish to engage in the arena of ideas, it is youre responsibility to communicate effectively and correctly.
Sorry, but that’s life.
“b) I don’t feel the need to prove that God does not exit- I believe he exists (even though I must assume he created folks like you
”
LOL- you completely missed the point…
I can make any assertion that I wish. The assertion I made is a classic example of one that is pulled out but can not be proven.
That in no way validates it, however. It is my responsibilty to prove my assertion, not someone else’s to disprove it.
Intelligence reports do not agree with your assertion that “Bin Laden is doing relaxed hiking in Pakistan’s Hills”. Since it is your assertion, the burdon of proof is yours, especially since current evidence states otherwise. If not, the assertion has no basis in reality since there is no evidence to prove it.
July 25, 2007 - 12:57 AM on July 25th, 2007
Osama Bin Laden is in Pakistan. However, Pakistan is ostensibly an ally, AND Musharrif is fighting to stay in power against the radical Islamists so our going into the semi autonomous Waziristan area would be a HUGE diplomatic blunder. I would love to say we could send a bunch of special forces operators into Pakistan to root out Al Quaeda hiding there, but that’s not even possible. There are simnply too many physical barriers to accomplishing that. To send in enough soldiers to accomplish the mission would make the mission impossible to keep under wraps. Once word got out that the US had sent a large contingent of soldiers into Pakistan, Mushariff would have to choose between declaring war on the US or lose his position to a radical Islamist who would happily do so. Don’t forget, Pakistan has nuclear weapons and if it falls to the Islamists, so will the weapons.
July 25, 2007 - 06:11 AM on July 25th, 2007
I completely understand what you’re saying FAO and most rational people understand it’s just not that easy. Having said that it brought to mind some things I’ve heard out of the mouths of the dem candidates like “we should go where OBL is and take him out.” Of course if we go where he is they will then turn around and have a hissy fit. Whatever!
July 25, 2007 - 06:51 AM on July 25th, 2007
Yeah, they will demand Johnnie Cochran defend him.
July 25, 2007 - 06:58 AM on July 25th, 2007
23.
A great assessment FAO.
What really gets me is that many of the folks who compain that the invasion of Iraq was an invasion of a sovereign country wants us to invade Pakistan for Bin Laden, which is also not only a sovereign country but a loose ally.
The also claim the terrorism is a problem that warrants legal and not military action, yet want to invade instead of going through an extradition process (Yes, I know exreadition won’t work, but that’s not the point.).
And yet- pakistan is a country who we know already has nuclear capability.
It is hypocricy.
Our best bet is to help Musharrif stave off the radical Islam sects, and weaken the tribes. Meanwhile, black ops should infilitraate the area over the Afgan border and attempt assinition or extraction of bin Laden, if getting him is a priority.
July 25, 2007 - 07:03 AM on July 25th, 2007
Ted. I believe I heard a story a while back that we apparently had our sites on bin laden in 1996 and Ms. Madeline A. refused to allow us to assasinate him. A few years later many of our citizens died because of that decision but whats a few American lives to a liberal?
July 25, 2007 - 07:07 AM on July 25th, 2007
27.
I don’t at all agree with what you are saying.
That was before 9/11- we were following the same policy regarding terrorism that we had since past 30-40 years. I can’t blame Clinton for not pursuing him.
Sorry, but that’s the way I see it.
July 25, 2007 - 07:09 AM on July 25th, 2007
25, Mike, Cochrane is practicing law in Hell.
July 25, 2007 - 07:45 AM on July 25th, 2007
Ted. I blame Clinton enormously. If he and his administration had actually been paying attention to what was going on he wouldn’t have missed the red flags of which there were many during his administration. As for OBL it is no secret Clinton had at least three separate chances to get him. Would it have made a difference? Probably only a small one but it most likely would have changed the dynamics of terror to a manageable degree.
And maybe it was before 9/11 but have you honestly been listening to the rhetoric of the left and all these peices of legislation on all fronts that seem to actually help terrorism? I have and it’s disturbing.
July 25, 2007 - 08:55 AM on July 25th, 2007
30, BonBon, you want a sick laugh? There are libs over at “Right From the Right” who claim the 9/11 commission debunked the claim Clinton was offered OBL and denied taking him.
July 25, 2007 - 09:00 AM on July 25th, 2007
Hi PCD…yeah and mission Able Danger was a figment of the military’s imagination.
July 25, 2007 - 09:20 AM on July 25th, 2007
30,
Then you have to lay the blame at Bush’s feet, Bush Sr’s feet, Reagan’s feet and Carter’s feet also because our policy towards terrorism has been the same throughout. Carter AND Reagan should have taken out the people involved in the hostage crisis in Iran, Reagan should not have retreated from Lebannon, Bush Sr should have smacked Hussein in Desert Storm and Bush Jr. should have immeditely taken out Bin Laden.
July 25, 2007 - 09:40 AM on July 25th, 2007
All valid points Ted. I DO very much blame Carter because I believe the hatred from the ME originates there. However, the problem itself did not escalate until the Clinton administration. There were more attacks on american interests during his administration than ever before. As for Bush Senior I did not vote for him a second time because I always felt he didn’t finish the job. In hindsight I was right. I voted the third party candidate because I hoped it would make a statement.
July 25, 2007 - 08:19 PM on July 25th, 2007
It’s worse than Madeline Not so Bright preventing us from assassinating Bin Laden, the state department actually notified the Pakistani interior ministry (which we KNEW had been infiltrated by radical Islamists) that we were intending to shoot a cruise missile at his through Pakistani airspace. Amazingly, he unexpectedly left the target area after the call was made and before the missiile arrived. Rumors are that he got a call from someone in the interior ministry warning him.