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	<title>Comments on: WaPo: Fighting Against Your Second Amendment Rights</title>
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		<title>By: Crush Liberalism</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/09/04/wapo-fighting-against-your-second-amendment-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-651564</link>
		<dc:creator>Crush Liberalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Presser v. Illinois&lt;/i&gt; ruled that the states had the right to strictly regulate private military groups and associations. It also reaffirmed the Cruikshank decision that the Second Amendment acts as a limitation upon the federal government and not the states. &lt;b&gt;However Presser also stated that setting the Second Amendment aside, the states could not prohibit the &quot;people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security...&quot; &lt;/b&gt;

As for &lt;i&gt;Miller&lt;/i&gt; being purposely mis-cited, here you go:
http://www.guncite.com/journals/dencite.html

Note, Miller only required evidence that the &lt;b&gt;weapon&lt;/b&gt; contribute to the efficiency of a well-regulated militia. The Court never said the defendants had to belong to a well-regulated militia. In other words the Miller case interpreted the Second Amendment to mean one has the right to own militia type weapons.

According to 1998 research and testimony by Eugene Volokh, a UCLA law professor and a well known individual gun rights proponent; the Supreme Court has ruled in passing in 22 out of 27 times while quoting or paraphrasing only &quot;the right of the people to keep and bear arms&quot; language of the Second Amendment without ever mentioning the militia clause, and this treatment has evidenced clear support of the Second Amendment as protecting an individual right and not as protecting a collective right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Presser v. Illinois</i> ruled that the states had the right to strictly regulate private military groups and associations. It also reaffirmed the Cruikshank decision that the Second Amendment acts as a limitation upon the federal government and not the states. <b>However Presser also stated that setting the Second Amendment aside, the states could not prohibit the &#8220;people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security&#8230;&#8221; </b></p>
<p>As for <i>Miller</i> being purposely mis-cited, here you go:<br />
<a href="http://www.guncite.com/journals/dencite.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.guncite.com/journals/dencite.html</a></p>
<p>Note, Miller only required evidence that the <b>weapon</b> contribute to the efficiency of a well-regulated militia. The Court never said the defendants had to belong to a well-regulated militia. In other words the Miller case interpreted the Second Amendment to mean one has the right to own militia type weapons.</p>
<p>According to 1998 research and testimony by Eugene Volokh, a UCLA law professor and a well known individual gun rights proponent; the Supreme Court has ruled in passing in 22 out of 27 times while quoting or paraphrasing only &#8220;the right of the people to keep and bear arms&#8221; language of the Second Amendment without ever mentioning the militia clause, and this treatment has evidenced clear support of the Second Amendment as protecting an individual right and not as protecting a collective right.</p>
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		<title>By: Crush Liberalism</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/09/04/wapo-fighting-against-your-second-amendment-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-651561</link>
		<dc:creator>Crush Liberalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Supreme Court also said that the Founding Fathers intended for the Fourteenth Amendment to apply to, and thus proscribe, a &quot;constitutional right&quot; to an abortion.  Activist courts get things wrong all the time.

Any idiot knows that the Second Amendment clearly means an individual&#039;s right to bear arms.  Settled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Supreme Court also said that the Founding Fathers intended for the Fourteenth Amendment to apply to, and thus proscribe, a &#8220;constitutional right&#8221; to an abortion.  Activist courts get things wrong all the time.</p>
<p>Any idiot knows that the Second Amendment clearly means an individual&#8217;s right to bear arms.  Settled.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Rakur</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/09/04/wapo-fighting-against-your-second-amendment-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-651556</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Rakur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to &quot;Crush Liberalism&quot;:

The Bill of Rights tells us what the FEDERAL government can&#039;t do.  Abolishing the state militia system of defense is one of the things it can&#039;t do.  As the U.S. Supreme Court said in Miller (1939), the obvious purpose of the Second Amendment was the continuation and effectiveness of the state militia forces. 

In 1965, the Supreme Court said that the National Guard is the modern militia of the Constitution:

&quot;The National Guard is the modern Militia reserved to the States by Art.I.8,cl.15,16,of the Constitution.&quot; (U.S. Supreme Court, Maryland v. United States, 1965)

In 2003, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals cited the Supreme Court as authority to make a similar pronouncement:

&quot;We begin our consideration of this appeal with full recognition that the national guard is the militia, in modern-day form, that is reserved to the states by Art. I,8,cls. 15,16, of the Constitution. Maryland v. United States, 381 U.S.41,46 (1965).&quot; (Fifth Circuit Court of Apppeals, James H. Lipscomb. v. Federal Labor Relations Authority (2003))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to &#8220;Crush Liberalism&#8221;:</p>
<p>The Bill of Rights tells us what the FEDERAL government can&#8217;t do.  Abolishing the state militia system of defense is one of the things it can&#8217;t do.  As the U.S. Supreme Court said in Miller (1939), the obvious purpose of the Second Amendment was the continuation and effectiveness of the state militia forces. </p>
<p>In 1965, the Supreme Court said that the National Guard is the modern militia of the Constitution:</p>
<p>&#8220;The National Guard is the modern Militia reserved to the States by Art.I.8,cl.15,16,of the Constitution.&#8221; (U.S. Supreme Court, Maryland v. United States, 1965)</p>
<p>In 2003, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals cited the Supreme Court as authority to make a similar pronouncement:</p>
<p>&#8220;We begin our consideration of this appeal with full recognition that the national guard is the militia, in modern-day form, that is reserved to the states by Art. I,8,cls. 15,16, of the Constitution. Maryland v. United States, 381 U.S.41,46 (1965).&#8221; (Fifth Circuit Court of Apppeals, James H. Lipscomb. v. Federal Labor Relations Authority (2003))</p>
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		<title>By: Crush Liberalism</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/09/04/wapo-fighting-against-your-second-amendment-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-651502</link>
		<dc:creator>Crush Liberalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to believe that the Second Amendment applies to &quot;groups&#039; rights&quot;, you have to believe that ALL of the Bill of Rights are NOT individual rights.

Think about it: the First Amendment says that individuals have a right to speak, assemble, etc.  The Third Amendment says that an individual doesn&#039;t have to allow a soldier to stay at his/her home.  The Fourth Amendment says that individuals are free from unreasonable searches and seizures. &lt;i&gt;Et cetera&lt;/i&gt;.

Finally, ask yourself this: since all of the Bill of Rights tells us what the government CAN&#039;T do to us as individuals, does it make any sense to interpret the Second Amendment as saying that the government WILL allow the army (militia) to have guns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to believe that the Second Amendment applies to &#8220;groups&#8217; rights&#8221;, you have to believe that ALL of the Bill of Rights are NOT individual rights.</p>
<p>Think about it: the First Amendment says that individuals have a right to speak, assemble, etc.  The Third Amendment says that an individual doesn&#8217;t have to allow a soldier to stay at his/her home.  The Fourth Amendment says that individuals are free from unreasonable searches and seizures. <i>Et cetera</i>.</p>
<p>Finally, ask yourself this: since all of the Bill of Rights tells us what the government CAN&#8217;T do to us as individuals, does it make any sense to interpret the Second Amendment as saying that the government WILL allow the army (militia) to have guns?</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Rakur</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/09/04/wapo-fighting-against-your-second-amendment-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-651301</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Rakur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To FrmrArty(Army?)Offcr:

You say, &quot;What these twits fail to take into account is that in the late 18th century, well regulated meant well armed.&quot;  

There is an ongoing effort by many Guns Unlimited folks to fabricate bogus history about the meaning in 18th Century America of the expression &quot;well regulated militia.&quot;  As the Founders themselves used the term, a well regulated militia was one that performed in accordance with well written militia law.  Writings of the time supply a multitude of examples of that use of the term. Here I will post an excerpt from an unimpeachable source &quot; George Washington:

&quot;For want of proper Laws in the Southern Governments, their Militia were never well regulated; and since the late Troubles, in which the Old Governments have been unhinged, and new ones not yet firmly established, the people have adopted a mode of thinking and Acting for themselves. It is owing to this, that when a Summons is issued for Militia, those only turn out that please, and they for what time they please, by which means they some times sett off for their homes in a few days after they join the Army. From this State of facts, you will perceive, that I put no great dependance on the Militia from the Southward, and must, therefore, once more intreat you to endeavour to prevail upon Two thousand of the Militia of your State to march immediately to Peekskill:&quot;(George Washington to Johathan Trumbull, Governor of Connecticut, March 6, 1777, from The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745 - 1799, John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To FrmrArty(Army?)Offcr:</p>
<p>You say, &#8220;What these twits fail to take into account is that in the late 18th century, well regulated meant well armed.&#8221;  </p>
<p>There is an ongoing effort by many Guns Unlimited folks to fabricate bogus history about the meaning in 18th Century America of the expression &#8220;well regulated militia.&#8221;  As the Founders themselves used the term, a well regulated militia was one that performed in accordance with well written militia law.  Writings of the time supply a multitude of examples of that use of the term. Here I will post an excerpt from an unimpeachable source &#8221; George Washington:</p>
<p>&#8220;For want of proper Laws in the Southern Governments, their Militia were never well regulated; and since the late Troubles, in which the Old Governments have been unhinged, and new ones not yet firmly established, the people have adopted a mode of thinking and Acting for themselves. It is owing to this, that when a Summons is issued for Militia, those only turn out that please, and they for what time they please, by which means they some times sett off for their homes in a few days after they join the Army. From this State of facts, you will perceive, that I put no great dependance on the Militia from the Southward, and must, therefore, once more intreat you to endeavour to prevail upon Two thousand of the Militia of your State to march immediately to Peekskill:&#8221;(George Washington to Johathan Trumbull, Governor of Connecticut, March 6, 1777, from The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745 &#8211; 1799, John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor)</p>
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		<title>By: snowy egret</title>
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		<dc:creator>snowy egret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals still continue to distort the 2nd amendment and afew year ago the infamous MAJOR OWENS preposed a bill to repeal the 2nd amendment which is treason and now the UN wants our guns ITS TIME TO BOOT THE UN OUT AND SCREW HE LIBERAL IDIOTS:-@</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals still continue to distort the 2nd amendment and afew year ago the infamous MAJOR OWENS preposed a bill to repeal the 2nd amendment which is treason and now the UN wants our guns ITS TIME TO BOOT THE UN OUT AND SCREW HE LIBERAL IDIOTS:-@</p>
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		<title>By: Darel Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darel Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hail from Va.  Our new Democratic Senator &quot;Jim Web&quot;  assistant was recently harassed by the police for carrying the senators Gun.   In regard to the DC Mayor it is his interruption and not based on facts.  I find it rather odd to believe that our &quot;rights&quot;  face so much opposition.  Allow me to provide an example.  In VA I have found &quot;zones&quot;  which we as citizens may not visit with a concealed weapon (if you have there permit), store in your car,etc. So lets say I&#039;m having lunch in downtown Blacksburg, VA I  can have a gun as long as I stay in the town but if I venture a block to VT I can&#039;t.  Now try traveling from state to state all the way to the West Coast.  Why are their so many restrictions with our &quot;rights.&quot;  

Further I have noticed that Ron Paul may be the only candidate who would challenge and repeal many restrictive gun laws.  

In closing as a former resident of Blacksburg, VA it is my belief if the students or teacheres had been armed many lives would have been saved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hail from Va.  Our new Democratic Senator &#8220;Jim Web&#8221;  assistant was recently harassed by the police for carrying the senators Gun.   In regard to the DC Mayor it is his interruption and not based on facts.  I find it rather odd to believe that our &#8220;rights&#8221;  face so much opposition.  Allow me to provide an example.  In VA I have found &#8220;zones&#8221;  which we as citizens may not visit with a concealed weapon (if you have there permit), store in your car,etc. So lets say I&#8217;m having lunch in downtown Blacksburg, VA I  can have a gun as long as I stay in the town but if I venture a block to VT I can&#8217;t.  Now try traveling from state to state all the way to the West Coast.  Why are their so many restrictions with our &#8220;rights.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Further I have noticed that Ron Paul may be the only candidate who would challenge and repeal many restrictive gun laws.  </p>
<p>In closing as a former resident of Blacksburg, VA it is my belief if the students or teacheres had been armed many lives would have been saved.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Lore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky Lore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libs don&#039;t hate guns...as long as they&#039;re the ones who have them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libs don&#8217;t hate guns&#8230;as long as they&#8217;re the ones who have them.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 04:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another classic example of why Liberal/Leftist activists should NEVER be appointed to ANY position of responsibility, let alone the Courts.


Liberalism is surely a form of mental illness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another classic example of why Liberal/Leftist activists should NEVER be appointed to ANY position of responsibility, let alone the Courts.</p>
<p>Liberalism is surely a form of mental illness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FrmrArtyOffcr</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrmrArtyOffcr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 04:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how the DC mayor fails to do a little research into history. At one point in time, there were laws being considered to provide arms to any law abiding adult male who couldn&#039;t afford one. Likewise, they also refuse to admit that the basis for gun control laws in this country wasn&#039;t to prevent crime, it was to disarm the freed slaves following the Civil War. There is plenty of evidence that shows that some of the toughest gun control laws in California were enacted because the Black Panthers showed up at the state legislature building armed to the teeth in the 60s. They should also read the writings of many of the founding fathers who flat out stated that the right to bear arms was a personal right. Most state constitutions include provisions even less obtuse than the second amendment. What these twits fail to take into account is that in the late 18th century, well regulated meant well armed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how the DC mayor fails to do a little research into history. At one point in time, there were laws being considered to provide arms to any law abiding adult male who couldn&#8217;t afford one. Likewise, they also refuse to admit that the basis for gun control laws in this country wasn&#8217;t to prevent crime, it was to disarm the freed slaves following the Civil War. There is plenty of evidence that shows that some of the toughest gun control laws in California were enacted because the Black Panthers showed up at the state legislature building armed to the teeth in the 60s. They should also read the writings of many of the founding fathers who flat out stated that the right to bear arms was a personal right. Most state constitutions include provisions even less obtuse than the second amendment. What these twits fail to take into account is that in the late 18th century, well regulated meant well armed.</p>
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