“Allah will destroy all religions except Islam”
By: Pam On: Sep/9/07 - 69 Comments
Blogging the Qur’an: Sura 4, “Women,” verses 104-176
Blogging the Qur’an: Sura 4, “Women,” verses 104-176
RobertWell this news certainly calls for huge bonuses for the management! Afer all, they are politically-connected...
Fred Dawesthis is what happens when you have a PC Army how sad but will become normal place in the coming years of...
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Former Army OfficerGee let’s use some common sense here (A rarity in DC I’m sure.) If you’re a top...
Former Army OfficerSince San Fran Nan closed the press conference, who did someone from the opposition get in with a...
Former Army OfficerThere won’t be any working poor to live off of if this and the crap and tax bill passes. The...
Former Army OfficerBush may have pushed for laws to allow them to come here, BUT this guy came during the CLINTON...
Former Army OfficerNow if the fact that the voters in Maine are actually somewhat conservative would soak in to their...
RobertHa ha ha! WHAT a pathetic douchebag! He just makes up his own criteria, which by definition then makes his...
PamDid you say spin Robert? Look for my Next post..he can spin!
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PamIn order to soak the rich properly and by properly, I mean soak them so everything is paid for, the tax rate would...
PamI believe the network news applied the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Policy on this story
libbie basherBeing that this filthy bag of dog sh#t is a Muslim, and not a Christian, will anyone be surprised if...
Fred DawesThe end of a nation has come the end of freedom and laws and the ideals of duty not just to a nation state...
Fred DawesIf you go back to 2004 bush helped to get laws that would allow millions of muslims to come here. Thank you...
Fred DawesOne word, Yes!
RobertIf this is so wonderful and necessary, and Pelosi and other demagogues want so much to tax the rich, I hereby...
StoutcatThanks for linking. The commenter raises a very good question here. Patrick at The Moderate Voice puts it a...
Fred Dawes(who can possibly read a 1,990 page law) the lawyers who work for the big boys who will make billions on...
September 9, 2007 - 01:25 PM on September 9th, 2007
The Muslim Ottoman Empire (1400’s – 1700’s) allowed for different religous Ummas (communities) in the Empire to be independent and free to practice their own brand of religion.
There were no forced conversions.
The vast majority of the Islamic world was converted by Missionaries, not by the sword – with the exception of North Africa.
Don’t buy into the xenophobic fear and hype concerning Islam. Much of what you hear and read from partisan sources is incorrect and/or exagerrated.
I’m taking a Muslim Studies class at San Francisco State University. The teacher is a secular Iranian-Muslim.
I advise all of you to learn more about Islam, not through the fucking internet, but from academic sources.
You might learn a thing or two.
September 9, 2007 - 02:05 PM on September 9th, 2007
Islam is a religion of peace and Muslims will kill you to prove it.
September 9, 2007 - 02:17 PM on September 9th, 2007
SFL….I AM reading about Islam from scholars and not the internet and I would use a class at a university taught by an Iranian scholar with as much skepticism as anything else. Probably more.
Rocky is right on. They will kill you and here’s why. They are penetrating our society little by little. Did you hear about the Arabic school in NYC that is going to be funded by taxpayer money? There is even a senator and a presidential candidate. Do not think it won’t happen. In our lifetime maybe not but you can be assured it’s coming.
All those PEACEFUL muslims are just waiting. You my friend are extraordinarily naive.
September 9, 2007 - 02:47 PM on September 9th, 2007
SFL, there were forced conversions to Islam. What do you think happened when the Moors conquered Spain?
SFL, the more you write, the dumber you get.
September 9, 2007 - 03:25 PM on September 9th, 2007
“Islam is a religion of peace and Muslims will kill you to prove it.”
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That’s just baseless, uneducated fear.
Do you actually KNOW any Muslims, speak with them on a day to day basis? Have they tried to kill you?
Get real.
There are over 1 Billion+ Muslims in the world, and the VAAAAST majority of them ARE peaceful, and are absolutly no different from you or me.
If Islam and Muslims were truly these horrific monsters you wacko-freaks make them out to be, you’d have one billion crazed religous nuts across the world fighting you day in and out since the 7th century.
Fortunately for you and me, only a tiny fraction of 1% of those billions of Muslims are the ones making all the news lately.
September 9, 2007 - 03:29 PM on September 9th, 2007
“They are penetrating our society little by little. Did you hear about the Arabic school in NYC that is going to be funded by taxpayer money?”
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Did you hear about all those private Christian schools that are funded with taxpayer money? It’s called ‘School Vouchers’ and it’s your dumbass-party that supports that one…not mine.
At least with this muslim school in NYC, you now know a taste of how liberals feel when their tax dollars go to private fundamentalist christian schools.
Doesn’t taste good, does it?
September 9, 2007 - 03:34 PM on September 9th, 2007
“There is even a senator and a presidential candidate.”
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Oh, I’m sorry BonBon. I thought this was America, where we are free to practice whatever religion we like and are free to run for political office no matter what religion we choose to believe in.
I guess many of you far-righties out there have a different idea of what a free United States should be like.
Heh. And you people have the nerve to call us “unamerican”.
You probably don’t even get the irony in your comment.
September 9, 2007 - 03:53 PM on September 9th, 2007
“SFL, there were forced conversions to Islam. What do you think happened when the Moors conquered Spain?”
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Under Islam, Christians and Jews were recognised as “peoples of the book”, and were free to practice their religion, but faced some discriminations. Conversion to Islam proceeded at a steadily increasing pace, starting with the aristocracy, as it offered an escape from the limitations and humiliations of their dhimmi status.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain#Muslim_Iberia
I’d hardly call that “forced”, PCD. Sounds like the christian aristocracy was trying to gain political and economic advantage by converting to Islam.
Man, PCD…you’re like, 0 for 3,000 with me.
Want to try again?
September 9, 2007 - 04:14 PM on September 9th, 2007
8, and just who wrote the wikipedia entry? SFL, wiki is not considered anything more than a propaganda sheet. It has been proven wrong here many times.
Now, just to update your dumbass, when those two Fox reporters had guns to their heads and told to convert to Islam or die, That was a forced conversion, FOOOLLL!!!
September 9, 2007 - 04:26 PM on September 9th, 2007
“and just who wrote the wikipedia entry, SFL?”
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Payne, Stanley G. (1973). A History of Spain and Portugal; Ch. 2 Al-Andalus. The Library of Iberian Resources Online. Retrieved on 2007-03-09.
September 9, 2007 - 04:29 PM on September 9th, 2007
“when those two Fox reporters had guns to their heads and told to convert to Islam or die, That was a forced conversion”
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Ah, yes, but that’s not what we were talking about now was it, PCD? We were talking about the Moors in Spain – remember?
stay focused.
September 9, 2007 - 04:30 PM on September 9th, 2007
SFL….not one place in my post did I say I was prejudiced towards muslims. On the contrary I was giving you a few examples of how they are ‘peacefully’ exploiting American laws and will one day rule. I’ve been reading alot of books lately from REPUTABLE authors and my conclusion is that sometime in the mid century Islam will be the majority population of the earth. With this majority will come a takeover. Just listen to Ahmadinejad, follow the Palestinian rants, or just really pay close attention to the sermons preached in the mosques in America, Europe and the middle east.
From a Christian perspective I’ve pretty much concluded that I probably won’t still be here at that time and the world will most likely end. We are entering an era where this is the beginning of that final event.
I’m learning to accept the fact that if we don’t change things it will change us. But can we change them? Do we have the will? Will liberals and their global ideologies of ‘lets all get along’ ruin us.
I have no problem respecting their religion but I ask you, why aren’t you equally as angry at them for not respecting mine?
September 9, 2007 - 05:04 PM on September 9th, 2007
11, SFL Bullshit artest. YOU are the one trying to say that there are NO forced conversions to Islam. You are wrong and can’t admit it.
September 9, 2007 - 05:05 PM on September 9th, 2007
12, because BonBon, SFL doesn’t respect your religion, your politics, or your rights.
September 9, 2007 - 05:08 PM on September 9th, 2007
I believe that PCD….as with all liberals it’s America’s fault.
September 9, 2007 - 08:43 PM on September 9th, 2007
“I’m taking a Muslim Studies class at San Francisco State University. The teacher is a secular Iranian-Muslim.”
Oh, well that’s completely different! The fact that it is a Muslim teacher, taught at the center for non-political-biased learning (San FranFreako State), is enough to establish the credentials of this course as 100% genuine!
And O.J. is innocent, Saddam NEVER had WMD of any type, and WWF wrestling is real!
September 9, 2007 - 09:00 PM on September 9th, 2007
1- Who knew you couldn’t trust the Qur’an?
There were no forced conversions? Um..you might want to take to the Fox reporters that were forced to convert for their freedom..They were kidnapped by those peaceful Islamics. And yes, I am talking about them…cause that is where the religion has evolved to..you stay focused.
Can you provide a link to school vouchers paying for Christian schools? Charter schools are not religious schools, but they do receive some funding..is that what you meant? It isn’t the same think as the Muslim school in NY.
September 9, 2007 - 09:35 PM on September 9th, 2007
There were no (or none documented) forced conversions in the OTTOMAN EMPIRE.
Look at what I said in my #1.
You people need to slow down with your assertions. I wasn’t talking about the present, or even about those Fox reporters.
September 10, 2007 - 05:51 AM on September 10th, 2007
Regarding the topic (quotes from the Koran), I think that fewest of the typical religious sources really pay attention to today’s political correctness. Most of the old testament suggests rules and punishments as we today only associate with fundalementalist Islam (death row for adultery, etc)…
Or to quote Simpons’s Reverend Lovejoy:
“…oh just about everything is a sin, have you ever sat down and read this thing? Technically we’re not allowed to go to the bathroom.”
September 10, 2007 - 05:58 AM on September 10th, 2007
Peejz,
what is actually the purpose of this kind of repeated “Islam/Muslim”-bashing?
The only people I associate with this kind of discrimination propaganda are Ku Klux Clan (against Black), 3rd Reich Nazis (against Jews), Communists (against Democrats) or Muslim Fundamentalists (against western liberalism and Jews).
Do you need to create some sort of “enemy pattern” to justify military action or what is this generalization (muslims=terrorists) good for?
September 10, 2007 - 06:31 AM on September 10th, 2007
SFL, You need to see a shrink. You have a tenuous grasp on reality. We are talking about now. You dance around every time you get a rhetorical fist to the face which sends you reeling into delusions of superiority and into your liberal dream of the world.
September 10, 2007 - 06:32 AM on September 10th, 2007
20, Mattias, no one really cares about your dysfunctional associations. You are an apologist for Islamofascists and refuse to recognize it.
September 10, 2007 - 06:34 AM on September 10th, 2007
Matthias……it’s called educating oneself on the reasons why we are being attacked. Ok? Since the early 70’s the United States has been endlessly threatened and attacked by Islamists. When that ends, so will our “muslim bashing” as you put it.
September 10, 2007 - 06:37 AM on September 10th, 2007
19. Yes, muslim men do things that are beyond belief to women. Beating them if their ankle shows, murdering them if they dishonor their family in some innoculous way.
Yup, the religion of peace.
September 10, 2007 - 06:53 AM on September 10th, 2007
20- The purpose is to start a discussion…See, they Islamics call themselves peaceful yet kill in the name of Allah in the year 2007. Convert or die is their slogan.
September 10, 2007 - 07:00 AM on September 10th, 2007
25, Peejz, our resident liberal lunatic, SFL, doesn’t believe that. He’ll post anything to try to refute that. I’m surprised he hasn’t quoted Ibrahim Hooper or some other CAIR mouthpiece.
September 10, 2007 - 07:10 AM on September 10th, 2007
24- Great points Bon Bon, and I have taken note that none of the men have agreed with you
September 10, 2007 - 07:14 AM on September 10th, 2007
27, Peejz, speaking of honor killings, do you think Mattias’ wife is subject to one since she married a non-moslem?
September 10, 2007 - 07:36 AM on September 10th, 2007
PCD….yes, if they weren’t living in Europe where they have to abide by the rule of law (generally speaking), she would be killed.
Muslims in alot of western countries are instructed to not follow the laws to the letter but to infiltrate societies in a way that will ultimately lead to domination.
Peejz….I notice when alot of my comments are ignored
September 10, 2007 - 07:47 AM on September 10th, 2007
29, BonBon, You make great points. I just don’t like echo chambering other’s comments. I consider that a liberal thing to do since they believe more in “concensus” or just plain bullying an issue rather than true facts and logic.
Just watch Mattias, Eben, and SFL to prove this statement.
September 10, 2007 - 07:53 AM on September 10th, 2007
Thanks PCD….I have spent alot of time this summer reading from selected scholars on every topic relevant to our middle east foreign policy to the culture of Islam. I have also gone to several lectures in DC and they are very informative.
Recently I had a conversation with a liberal who started talking about how surprised we all were on 9/11. Boy did he end up with an earful.
September 10, 2007 - 08:00 AM on September 10th, 2007
…..and for the liberals who are going to immediately come down on me for thinking I’m an expert I make no such claim. I haven’t even finished reading all my books yet. I do feel as though I have learned enough though to understand a little about what’s going on.
September 10, 2007 - 08:34 AM on September 10th, 2007
31, BonBon, you shattered that liberals whole world delusions. Now, to shatter Mattias and SFL’s.
September 10, 2007 - 08:41 AM on September 10th, 2007
22- “Mattias, no one really cares about your dysfunctional associations. You are an apologist for Islamofascists and refuse to recognize it.”
Wow, what a sophisticated kind of language. I think, PCD, you are simply an asshole!!
September 10, 2007 - 08:51 AM on September 10th, 2007
34, Mattias, stop being childish. That is how we described you long ago, you dysfunctional putz.
September 10, 2007 - 08:51 AM on September 10th, 2007
23- “Since the early 70’s the United States has been endlessly threatened and attacked by Islamists”
a) As you say: When it has been attacked, it was attacked by “Islamists” and not by common Muslims… When America was at war with Nazi-Germany you also referred to Nazis or Germans but not to Europeans nor to Christians. There is a difference!
Nobody (at least not me) will complain about people doing “Fundamentalist”-bashing
b) Everybody working in the security business learns that the best approach before applying force is to act de-escalating.
What’s the purpose of spreading hate with this kind of propaganda? To get instead of (lets say) currently 100 million islamists against you all of the 1.4 billion Muslims as your enemies??
This behaviour won’t get you any (new) friends… it’s simply stupid, because those you approve it, shared your radical view already before.
September 10, 2007 - 08:58 AM on September 10th, 2007
24- “Yes, muslim men do things that are beyond belief to women. Beating them if their ankle shows, murdering them if they dishonor their family in some innoculous way.”
Yes, I see… while the evangelical views (earth is 6,000 years old, homosexuality is an illness, America is God’s chosen country, Israel belongs to the Jews as the Bible says so, stem cell research is a creation of Satan, etc.) are much more progressive…
It’s funny to see conservatives from one culture boasting how “liberal” they are compared to the liberals from another culture.
September 10, 2007 - 09:00 AM on September 10th, 2007
37-Typo:
“…are compared to the liberals from another culture.”
should say
“…are compared to the CONSERVATIVES from another culture.”
September 10, 2007 - 09:21 AM on September 10th, 2007
37- We are one nation under God, and I haven’t heard evangelicals complain about stem cells, I have heard many people of all backgrounds complain about embryonic stem cells though…
September 10, 2007 - 09:33 AM on September 10th, 2007
39- “We are one nation under God”
I think that is the same problem that the maid of Orleans thought of shortly after fire was set to her stake:”Does God REALLY like the Frenchies more than the Tommies?!?”
September 10, 2007 - 11:10 AM on September 10th, 2007
BonBon…Christian men BEAT THEIR WOMEN TOO.
And for equally lame reasons as some Muslim men do…
Matthias is 100% right on.
You people have NO IDEA how similar you sound to the Nazi’s spreading hate and lies about the Jews and to the KKK spreading hate and lies about American Blacks…
Seriously, I know you people aren’t (for the most part) racist…you’re just scared.
And when you have something that many Westerners do not understand very well (Islam) you get freakied out about it.
Be careful, it’s very easy for people to come in and use your fear to their advantage…be it selling books, or getting votes.
Hear the stroy from ALL SIDES.
Befriend a Muslim MAN OR WOMAN. Talk to them…ask them questions about their religion.
I swear to god you will learn so much more than from biased books or radio talk show hosts.
Hell, take a Muslim studies class at your local community college.
September 10, 2007 - 11:17 AM on September 10th, 2007
41, SFL, you are such a fount of hypocrisy. YOU on the left never consider anything that doesn’t come from left biased sources.
If you think Islam is such a religion of peace, why don’t you, your wife, Mattias, and Mattias’ wife go live in her country of origin for a year or two. I doubt any of you four would last one year before being judged and executed under Sharia.
September 10, 2007 - 11:21 AM on September 10th, 2007
“Recently I had a conversation with a liberal who started talking about how surprised we all were on 9/11. Boy did he end up with an earful.”
Hi BonBon
Keep in mind that Liberalism is fundamentally a form of mental illness. All Liberals are afflicted to some degree; but the further left and more rabid, clearly the more serious and more advanced the case. The cases range from nice, friendly, every day people you meet who are Liberal and well-meaning but misguided to the foaming-at-the-mouth, demented, terminal cases exhibited by the Soros-funded groups.
My theory is only that, of course, having nor been proven with the rigor required to establish it scientifically as a fact. But it does seem to explain how Liberals can be so upside down so consistently; how otherwise educated, intelligent people cannot see and acknowledge the obvious.
If I was in Grad School and woring on a degree in anything arguably related I would make investigation of this subject my pHD thesis (that Liberalism is a form of mental illness).
September 10, 2007 - 11:31 AM on September 10th, 2007
“But it does seem to explain how Liberals can be so upside down so consistently; how otherwise educated, intelligent people cannot see and acknowledge the obvious.”
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Funny, we say THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT CONSERVATIVES.
How can people like you who have presumably gone to college and have been educated be so utterly wrong and ignorant?!
Truly, Conservatism really IS a form of mental illness.
How else to explain it?
I mean…jesus christ…look at george bush. just fucking look at him, and tell me who would vote for this man?
Obviously, only someone who is mentaly deranged like a conservative.
Robert, my god man…I totally understand how you feel. (!)
September 10, 2007 - 11:32 AM on September 10th, 2007
#6 “Did you hear about all those private Christian schools that are funded with taxpayer money? It’s called ‘School Vouchers’ and it’s your dumbass-party that supports that one:not mine.
At least with this muslim school in NYC, you now know a taste of how liberals feel when their tax dollars go to private fundamentalist christian schools.”
Sorry SFL,yer WRONG again. There are NO Christian schhols funded by tax dollars, epriod. There has been a debate about vouchers, and they would NOT fund Christian schools with taxpayer dollars, they would simply enable taxpayers to choose where they want to spend their education tax dollars.
Do you try hard to be so wrong or does it come naturally?
September 10, 2007 - 11:35 AM on September 10th, 2007
“BonBon:Christian men BEAT THEIR WOMEN TOO.”
Really? you mean it is commonplace; encouraged and in fact protected by Christian Reigious law? Wow, that’s a huge revelation, SFL! Next thing you know we’ll see Christian women beheaded in the public square because they disgraced their family (by being raped by Christian men). Right SFL? I mean, you are stating equivalence, right?
September 10, 2007 - 11:39 AM on September 10th, 2007
Hi Robert
Can’t argue with you now SFL but you are wrong. I am very careful with what I read. Look at credentials. Further, you haven’t explained to me why they have attacked us. Like my argument with a liberal you are so quick to blame Christians.
Christians are not perfect however we respect the right of others to practice whatever religion they choose. Islam does not respect others right to practice religion, they believe that Islam will return in the glory days of years past. Kill a jew and Allah will bless you.
Big, BIG difference but here’s an icon you should relate to.
September 10, 2007 - 11:43 AM on September 10th, 2007
SFL, is just trying to apply moral equivalence to the preception of Islam, but his prejudice against America, Christianity, and true facts have gotten in his way. To SFL, sophistry is reason.
September 10, 2007 - 12:10 PM on September 10th, 2007
“Sorry SFL,yer WRONG again. There are NO Christian schhols funded by tax dollars, epriod.”
Sorry, Robert…you’re the wrong one here.
Yes, it is VERY true…Vouchers often go to private Christian schools.
Proof? here’s one example of many:
The 2006-2007 school year will mark the first time in Milwaukee that more than $100 million will be paid in vouchers.[6] Twenty-six percent of Milwaukee students will receive public funding to attend schools outside the traditional Milwaukee Public School system. In fact, if the voucher program alone were considered a school district, it would mark the sixth-largest district in Wisconsin.
ROBERT —->>> :::::::St. Anthony Catholic School:::::::, located on Milwaukee’s south side, boasts 966 voucher students, meaning that it very likely receives more public money for general school support of a :::
arochial:::: elementary or high school than any before it in American history.
Robert, you may now admit you’re wrong on that one – christian schools DO recieve tax dollars (vouchers).
September 10, 2007 - 12:11 PM on September 10th, 2007
Woah…that wordpress thing you guys use fucking sucks.
I never once put a smiley face in place of the word: “Parochial”
Peejz, what gives?
Oh, and here is the link for my above Smack-Down of Roberts assertion that no tax money goes to christian schools.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_voucher#United_States
September 10, 2007 - 12:17 PM on September 10th, 2007
Okay SFL you are correct, I did know that there was a voucher program in Milwaukee. I did a little checking and it turns out that despit the continuing opposition, it is a success and is expanding.
In Kalifornia we have been trying for years but the Unions have a death grip on Kalifornia politics and so students are mostly condemned to the failing Gov’t schools while we spend enormous sums of money propping up a failed system. Because of Democrites and Unions.
In any case the Milwaukee example only proves vouchers WORK, and should be implemented forthwith everywhere.
September 10, 2007 - 12:17 PM on September 10th, 2007
“Christians are not perfect however we respect the right of others to practice whatever religion they choose. Islam does not respect others right to practice religion, they believe that Islam will return in the glory days of years past. Kill a jew and Allah will bless you.”
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Dammit BonBon, THIS is what happens when you don’t read from other sources…
Your assertion above is 100% INCORRECT.
Over the past 1000 years, Christians have treated people with other beliefs and especially JEWS worse than Muslims treated people with different religions.
LIke I said before, the Ottoman Empire for example, allowed each community (jewish, christian) it’s own “umma” (community) and let them practice their own religion peacefully. Although they did have to pay a tax…they were not forcably converted or mistreated.
HOWEVER, christians over the last 1000 years have treated european jews worse than vermin – Read about the Spainish Inquisition…read about how Hitler (not a muslim) killed more Jews than anyone else has.
Seriously, BonBon…TAKE AN ISLAMIC STUDIES CLASS AT YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
September 10, 2007 - 12:21 PM on September 10th, 2007
42- “Mattias, and Mattias’ wife go live in her country of origin for a year or two.”
So that’d be Turkeye then…
No Shariah, no death row and each time that the state is in danger of losing its secularized principle, the army makes a little revolution…
Apart from the lack of death row- you’d love it, PCD!
September 10, 2007 - 12:22 PM on September 10th, 2007
“Really? you mean it is commonplace; encouraged and in fact protected by Christian Reigious law? Wow, that’s a huge revelation, SFL!”
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And, of course, if you knew any muslims like I do, you would know that they forbid mistreatment of women…but just like every society, there are those rule breakers or those who twist scripture into their own evil devices.
Southern Baptists for example, beleive women and wives to be subject (inferior) to their men.
I’m sure there are plenty of men who twist the bibles take on women and beat their wives, just like there are plenty of muslim men who twist the koran take on women and beat their wives.
One religion isn’t better or worse than the other, on that one.
Beating up someone who is weaker than you, or taking advantage of someone weaker than you isn’t a religous thing…it’s a human-animal thing.
September 10, 2007 - 12:23 PM on September 10th, 2007
52, SFL, knock off the demands that we take liberal indoctrination, you intolerant slut.
September 10, 2007 - 12:24 PM on September 10th, 2007
Seriously, Matthias….isn’t amazing how little these people actually know about Islam?
It’s JUST LIKE the baseless propaganda against jews during ww2…and they have NO IDEA.
They are afraid and scared of what they do not understand.
I can only hope that they take an academic course on Islam, or befriend an actual muslim to help correct their tilted world view.
September 10, 2007 - 05:18 PM on September 10th, 2007
#51…Peejz, you might know better than me now that I left the state, but I think Michigan has a strong voucher program going…thanks to then Republican Gov. John Engler
(who I met years ago when I was a republican working on Rep. Knollenberg’s campaign)
So like I said in the begining of this topic regarding the taxpayer-funded muslim school in NYC, now many republicans/conservatives feel the sting we liberals felt when our tax dollars were going to religous schools.
And it doesn’t feel good.
September 10, 2007 - 09:53 PM on September 10th, 2007
Okay Children, time for me to put my two cents worth in here.
First off, Islam at its core does not condemn Christianity or Judaism as it considers Christians and Jews to be “People of the Book”. HOWEVER, various and sundry radical sects of Islam, have interpreted the passages of the Koran concerning infidels to include ANYONE not of the Muslim faith. THESE are the sects that are causing all of the problems.
Next. Islam is NOT the only religion that has shown intolerance for other religions. Consider the Crusades,the 30 Years War, and the Spanish Inquisition for examples of Christians showing a lack of tolerance towards other religions or even other sects of their own religion. Saladin was a much more merciful ruler over Jerusalem than the Crusader kings had ever been.
As for the school topic. Personally, I have no heartburn with parents receieving vouchers to send their kids to accredited schools with whatever background that they wish, as long as the school is accedited. The current government school system in most of the country is broken and I see nothing wrong with allowing people to send their children where the kids will get the best education possible. Isn’t that supposed to be the goal of the schools? To provide kids with a good education? In far too many inner city schools, the government run schools are failing due to the juvenile criminal element that has overrun the school and the liberals that refuse to allow the teachers to control their classrooms. A friend was a teacher in a center city Philly middle school 20 years ago. She had been assaulted by a 12 yr old and had another bring a stolen handgun to school. In neither case could the student be expelled or even suspended because the system had been set up in such a way that unless at least two parent teacher meetings had been held, no action could be taken. Is it right that other students should be forced to attend a school with that level of violence because their parents can’t afford the safe and highly disciplined parochial school two blocks away? I was a gifted student who was consistently bored throughout school, my cousin had a learning disability (personally I think it was laziness) but failed miserably in the local public school. While I wanted to go to a private school, my parents couldn’t afford it. My aunt and uncle moved heaven and earth to get my cousin into a private Christian academy (30 miles away) that met his needs to the point where he started to bring home decent grades. They were still paying taxes for a school that their son couldn’t go to and had to pay tuition for the private one as well. BTW am I the only one who notices that liberals who fight against vouchers for private schools for poor kids tend to put their own children into private schools? Arizona has a highly developed charter school system that allows parents to choose schools that more closely align with their children’s interests and skills. The charter schools are essentially an amalgamation of private school class selection and public school funding.
September 11, 2007 - 01:35 AM on September 11th, 2007
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SFL, I don’t think that many people know much or fully understand Islam. The fundamentalists definetely don’t understand (and abuse it for their purposes) and perhaps the people that I know (who have a very pacifist and philanthrope attitude about it) also only cover one side of it…
Making superficial negative statement on Islam or Muslims are like giving a negative judgement on music in general while only hating chamber music.
I guess, the people here are just looking for some sort of justification for everything that the Bush administration did wrong in the Gulf. If there were no WMDs in Iraq nor Bin Laden and the terror has increased in the region and so many innocent lives were sacrified there must be something this stupid war is worth fighting for…
September 11, 2007 - 06:20 AM on September 11th, 2007
59, Mattias, maybe at this point because of you we should reconquer Germany to rid it of terrorist supporters like you.
September 11, 2007 - 12:34 PM on September 11th, 2007
The mecy of lslamic extremists the mercy of the sword
September 11, 2007 - 07:10 PM on September 11th, 2007
#3 To BonBon who wrote:
“Rocky is right on. They will kill you and here’s why. They are penetrating our society little by little. Did you hear about the Arabic school in NYC that is going to be funded by taxpayer money? There is even a senator and a presidential candidate. Do not think it won’t happen. In our lifetime maybe not but you can be assured it’s coming.
All those PEACEFUL muslims are just waiting. You my friend are extraordinarily naive.”
He’s not your friend. He’s a thinking man and you abhor thought.
Your entire post “BonBon” speaks to your Bogeyman mentality that no proper way exists in this world than the American way. That’s horseshit.
Those “peaceful” Christians are just waiting to take over the oil fields in order to exert control over the world. Make no mistake: Just because it’s your country doing it does not justify the doing.
September 11, 2007 - 07:16 PM on September 11th, 2007
#47
BonBon writes: “Big, BIG difference but here’s an icon you should relate to.
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No that would be YOUR brainless devotion to the rhetoric of middle American anit-intellectual feebs.
Here’s one you’ll relate to:
Fear is your middle name.
September 11, 2007 - 07:20 PM on September 11th, 2007
#62: “Those “peaceful”Christians are just waiting to take over the oil fields in order to exert control over the world. Make no mistake: Just because it’s your country doing it does not justify the doing.”
This is close to being the most asinine thing I have ever seen posted here.
September 11, 2007 - 07:51 PM on September 11th, 2007
Eben you are a fool but you know what? If you are gay as you state in your posts you will be one of the first ones to go. Islamists hate homosexuals even if they themselves engage in same sex relations.
September 11, 2007 - 11:06 PM on September 11th, 2007
Why should we expend the money and lives to “Steal” the oil from the middle east when we have far more oil of our own between the Atlantic and Pacific Coastal shelves, the Gulf of Mexico, and ANWAR. OH I forgot, because some nut job ecofreak is worried it might interfere with the sex life of a caribou. An animal that has been domesticated in Europe for centuries (reindeer for the biological education challenged) and is so prolific in the Alaskan wilds that some herds number into the thousands.
September 12, 2007 - 05:53 AM on September 12th, 2007
62,63, Eben, have you stopped looking under your bed for John Ashcroft yet?
Eben, you are beyond the level of being a fool. If we were going to take the oil of the middle east, why haven’t we taken the oil of Kuwait, Qutar, and other ME country where we already have extensive military bases? Think for once with your brain, not your crotch.
September 16, 2007 - 07:08 PM on September 16th, 2007
Looks like SLF is blowing off lots of HOT AIR just like AL GORE dose when he is on his soap box
September 18, 2007 - 08:12 AM on September 18th, 2007
The west is screwed, and thanks to liberal commie pinko rainbow flag waving traitors, we’ll all be wearing burkas by 2023. Especially love the liberals disgust when it comes to Christianity (the faith Islam cribbed most of it’s theology from) but touchy feely acceptance of Muslim faith. When the Islamic law is passed as bottom line, we”ll see how the flower-children feel when they’re forced to worship a pagan moon god, when gays are not only not allowed to marry but are inprisoned, and women walk around wrapped head to toe. Good job love-children.