Okay SFL you are correct, I did know that there was a voucher program in Milwaukee. I did a little checking and it turns out that despit the continuing opposition, it is a success and is expanding.
In Kalifornia we have been trying for years but the Unions have a death grip on Kalifornia politics and so students are mostly condemned to the failing Gov’t schools while we spend enormous sums of money propping up a failed system. Because of Democrites and Unions.
In any case the Milwaukee example only proves vouchers WORK, and should be implemented forthwith everywhere.
“Christians are not perfect however we respect the right of others to practice whatever religion they choose. Islam does not respect others right to practice religion, they believe that Islam will return in the glory days of years past. Kill a jew and Allah will bless you.”
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Dammit BonBon, THIS is what happens when you don’t read from other sources…
Your assertion above is 100% INCORRECT.
Over the past 1000 years, Christians have treated people with other beliefs and especially JEWS worse than Muslims treated people with different religions.
LIke I said before, the Ottoman Empire for example, allowed each community (jewish, christian) it’s own “umma” (community) and let them practice their own religion peacefully. Although they did have to pay a tax…they were not forcably converted or mistreated.
HOWEVER, christians over the last 1000 years have treated european jews worse than vermin – Read about the Spainish Inquisition…read about how Hitler (not a muslim) killed more Jews than anyone else has.
Seriously, BonBon…TAKE AN ISLAMIC STUDIES CLASS AT YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
42- “Mattias, and Mattias’ wife go live in her country of origin for a year or two.”
So that’d be Turkeye then…
No Shariah, no death row and each time that the state is in danger of losing its secularized principle, the army makes a little revolution…
Apart from the lack of death row- you’d love it, PCD! :d
“Really? you mean it is commonplace; encouraged and in fact protected by Christian Reigious law? Wow, that’s a huge revelation, SFL!”
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And, of course, if you knew any muslims like I do, you would know that they forbid mistreatment of women…but just like every society, there are those rule breakers or those who twist scripture into their own evil devices.
Southern Baptists for example, beleive women and wives to be subject (inferior) to their men.
I’m sure there are plenty of men who twist the bibles take on women and beat their wives, just like there are plenty of muslim men who twist the koran take on women and beat their wives.
One religion isn’t better or worse than the other, on that one.
Beating up someone who is weaker than you, or taking advantage of someone weaker than you isn’t a religous thing…it’s a human-animal thing.
#51…Peejz, you might know better than me now that I left the state, but I think Michigan has a strong voucher program going…thanks to then Republican Gov. John Engler
(who I met years ago when I was a republican working on Rep. Knollenberg’s campaign)
So like I said in the begining of this topic regarding the taxpayer-funded muslim school in NYC, now many republicans/conservatives feel the sting we liberals felt when our tax dollars were going to religous schools.
Okay Children, time for me to put my two cents worth in here.
First off, Islam at its core does not condemn Christianity or Judaism as it considers Christians and Jews to be “People of the Book”. HOWEVER, various and sundry radical sects of Islam, have interpreted the passages of the Koran concerning infidels to include ANYONE not of the Muslim faith. THESE are the sects that are causing all of the problems.
Next. Islam is NOT the only religion that has shown intolerance for other religions. Consider the Crusades,the 30 Years War, and the Spanish Inquisition for examples of Christians showing a lack of tolerance towards other religions or even other sects of their own religion. Saladin was a much more merciful ruler over Jerusalem than the Crusader kings had ever been.
As for the school topic. Personally, I have no heartburn with parents receieving vouchers to send their kids to accredited schools with whatever background that they wish, as long as the school is accedited. The current government school system in most of the country is broken and I see nothing wrong with allowing people to send their children where the kids will get the best education possible. Isn’t that supposed to be the goal of the schools? To provide kids with a good education? In far too many inner city schools, the government run schools are failing due to the juvenile criminal element that has overrun the school and the liberals that refuse to allow the teachers to control their classrooms. A friend was a teacher in a center city Philly middle school 20 years ago. She had been assaulted by a 12 yr old and had another bring a stolen handgun to school. In neither case could the student be expelled or even suspended because the system had been set up in such a way that unless at least two parent teacher meetings had been held, no action could be taken. Is it right that other students should be forced to attend a school with that level of violence because their parents can’t afford the safe and highly disciplined parochial school two blocks away? I was a gifted student who was consistently bored throughout school, my cousin had a learning disability (personally I think it was laziness) but failed miserably in the local public school. While I wanted to go to a private school, my parents couldn’t afford it. My aunt and uncle moved heaven and earth to get my cousin into a private Christian academy (30 miles away) that met his needs to the point where he started to bring home decent grades. They were still paying taxes for a school that their son couldn’t go to and had to pay tuition for the private one as well. BTW am I the only one who notices that liberals who fight against vouchers for private schools for poor kids tend to put their own children into private schools? Arizona has a highly developed charter school system that allows parents to choose schools that more closely align with their children’s interests and skills. The charter schools are essentially an amalgamation of private school class selection and public school funding.
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SFL, I don’t think that many people know much or fully understand Islam. The fundamentalists definetely don’t understand (and abuse it for their purposes) and perhaps the people that I know (who have a very pacifist and philanthrope attitude about it) also only cover one side of it…
Making superficial negative statement on Islam or Muslims are like giving a negative judgement on music in general while only hating chamber music.
I guess, the people here are just looking for some sort of justification for everything that the Bush administration did wrong in the Gulf. If there were no WMDs in Iraq nor Bin Laden and the terror has increased in the region and so many innocent lives were sacrified there must be something this stupid war is worth fighting for…
“Rocky is right on. They will kill you and here’s why. They are penetrating our society little by little. Did you hear about the Arabic school in NYC that is going to be funded by taxpayer money? There is even a senator and a presidential candidate. Do not think it won’t happen. In our lifetime maybe not but you can be assured it’s coming.
All those PEACEFUL muslims are just waiting. You my friend are extraordinarily naive.”
He’s not your friend. He’s a thinking man and you abhor thought.
Your entire post “BonBon” speaks to your Bogeyman mentality that no proper way exists in this world than the American way. That’s horseshit.
Those “peaceful” Christians are just waiting to take over the oil fields in order to exert control over the world. Make no mistake: Just because it’s your country doing it does not justify the doing.
#62: “Those “peaceful”Christians are just waiting to take over the oil fields in order to exert control over the world. Make no mistake: Just because it’s your country doing it does not justify the doing.”
This is close to being the most asinine thing I have ever seen posted here.
Eben you are a fool but you know what? If you are gay as you state in your posts you will be one of the first ones to go. Islamists hate homosexuals even if they themselves engage in same sex relations.
Why should we expend the money and lives to “Steal” the oil from the middle east when we have far more oil of our own between the Atlantic and Pacific Coastal shelves, the Gulf of Mexico, and ANWAR. OH I forgot, because some nut job ecofreak is worried it might interfere with the sex life of a caribou. An animal that has been domesticated in Europe for centuries (reindeer for the biological education challenged) and is so prolific in the Alaskan wilds that some herds number into the thousands.
62,63, Eben, have you stopped looking under your bed for John Ashcroft yet?
Eben, you are beyond the level of being a fool. If we were going to take the oil of the middle east, why haven’t we taken the oil of Kuwait, Qutar, and other ME country where we already have extensive military bases? Think for once with your brain, not your crotch.
The west is screwed, and thanks to liberal commie pinko rainbow flag waving traitors, we’ll all be wearing burkas by 2023. Especially love the liberals disgust when it comes to Christianity (the faith Islam cribbed most of it’s theology from) but touchy feely acceptance of Muslim faith. When the Islamic law is passed as bottom line, we”ll see how the flower-children feel when they’re forced to worship a pagan moon god, when gays are not only not allowed to marry but are inprisoned, and women walk around wrapped head to toe. Good job love-children.
Okay SFL you are correct, I did know that there was a voucher program in Milwaukee. I did a little checking and it turns out that despit the continuing opposition, it is a success and is expanding.
In Kalifornia we have been trying for years but the Unions have a death grip on Kalifornia politics and so students are mostly condemned to the failing Gov’t schools while we spend enormous sums of money propping up a failed system. Because of Democrites and Unions.
In any case the Milwaukee example only proves vouchers WORK, and should be implemented forthwith everywhere.
“Christians are not perfect however we respect the right of others to practice whatever religion they choose. Islam does not respect others right to practice religion, they believe that Islam will return in the glory days of years past. Kill a jew and Allah will bless you.”
———————————–
Dammit BonBon, THIS is what happens when you don’t read from other sources…
Your assertion above is 100% INCORRECT.
Over the past 1000 years, Christians have treated people with other beliefs and especially JEWS worse than Muslims treated people with different religions.
LIke I said before, the Ottoman Empire for example, allowed each community (jewish, christian) it’s own “umma” (community) and let them practice their own religion peacefully. Although they did have to pay a tax…they were not forcably converted or mistreated.
HOWEVER, christians over the last 1000 years have treated european jews worse than vermin – Read about the Spainish Inquisition…read about how Hitler (not a muslim) killed more Jews than anyone else has.
Seriously, BonBon…TAKE AN ISLAMIC STUDIES CLASS AT YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
42- “Mattias, and Mattias’ wife go live in her country of origin for a year or two.”
So that’d be Turkeye then…
No Shariah, no death row and each time that the state is in danger of losing its secularized principle, the army makes a little revolution…
Apart from the lack of death row- you’d love it, PCD! :d
“Really? you mean it is commonplace; encouraged and in fact protected by Christian Reigious law? Wow, that’s a huge revelation, SFL!”
———————-
And, of course, if you knew any muslims like I do, you would know that they forbid mistreatment of women…but just like every society, there are those rule breakers or those who twist scripture into their own evil devices.
Southern Baptists for example, beleive women and wives to be subject (inferior) to their men.
I’m sure there are plenty of men who twist the bibles take on women and beat their wives, just like there are plenty of muslim men who twist the koran take on women and beat their wives.
One religion isn’t better or worse than the other, on that one.
Beating up someone who is weaker than you, or taking advantage of someone weaker than you isn’t a religous thing…it’s a human-animal thing.
52, SFL, knock off the demands that we take liberal indoctrination, you intolerant slut.
Seriously, Matthias….isn’t amazing how little these people actually know about Islam?
It’s JUST LIKE the baseless propaganda against jews during ww2…and they have NO IDEA.
They are afraid and scared of what they do not understand.
I can only hope that they take an academic course on Islam, or befriend an actual muslim to help correct their tilted world view.
#51…Peejz, you might know better than me now that I left the state, but I think Michigan has a strong voucher program going…thanks to then Republican Gov. John Engler
(who I met years ago when I was a republican working on Rep. Knollenberg’s campaign)
So like I said in the begining of this topic regarding the taxpayer-funded muslim school in NYC, now many republicans/conservatives feel the sting we liberals felt when our tax dollars were going to religous schools.
And it doesn’t feel good.
Okay Children, time for me to put my two cents worth in here.
First off, Islam at its core does not condemn Christianity or Judaism as it considers Christians and Jews to be “People of the Book”. HOWEVER, various and sundry radical sects of Islam, have interpreted the passages of the Koran concerning infidels to include ANYONE not of the Muslim faith. THESE are the sects that are causing all of the problems.
Next. Islam is NOT the only religion that has shown intolerance for other religions. Consider the Crusades,the 30 Years War, and the Spanish Inquisition for examples of Christians showing a lack of tolerance towards other religions or even other sects of their own religion. Saladin was a much more merciful ruler over Jerusalem than the Crusader kings had ever been.
As for the school topic. Personally, I have no heartburn with parents receieving vouchers to send their kids to accredited schools with whatever background that they wish, as long as the school is accedited. The current government school system in most of the country is broken and I see nothing wrong with allowing people to send their children where the kids will get the best education possible. Isn’t that supposed to be the goal of the schools? To provide kids with a good education? In far too many inner city schools, the government run schools are failing due to the juvenile criminal element that has overrun the school and the liberals that refuse to allow the teachers to control their classrooms. A friend was a teacher in a center city Philly middle school 20 years ago. She had been assaulted by a 12 yr old and had another bring a stolen handgun to school. In neither case could the student be expelled or even suspended because the system had been set up in such a way that unless at least two parent teacher meetings had been held, no action could be taken. Is it right that other students should be forced to attend a school with that level of violence because their parents can’t afford the safe and highly disciplined parochial school two blocks away? I was a gifted student who was consistently bored throughout school, my cousin had a learning disability (personally I think it was laziness) but failed miserably in the local public school. While I wanted to go to a private school, my parents couldn’t afford it. My aunt and uncle moved heaven and earth to get my cousin into a private Christian academy (30 miles away) that met his needs to the point where he started to bring home decent grades. They were still paying taxes for a school that their son couldn’t go to and had to pay tuition for the private one as well. BTW am I the only one who notices that liberals who fight against vouchers for private schools for poor kids tend to put their own children into private schools? Arizona has a highly developed charter school system that allows parents to choose schools that more closely align with their children’s interests and skills. The charter schools are essentially an amalgamation of private school class selection and public school funding.
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SFL, I don’t think that many people know much or fully understand Islam. The fundamentalists definetely don’t understand (and abuse it for their purposes) and perhaps the people that I know (who have a very pacifist and philanthrope attitude about it) also only cover one side of it…
Making superficial negative statement on Islam or Muslims are like giving a negative judgement on music in general while only hating chamber music.
I guess, the people here are just looking for some sort of justification for everything that the Bush administration did wrong in the Gulf. If there were no WMDs in Iraq nor Bin Laden and the terror has increased in the region and so many innocent lives were sacrified there must be something this stupid war is worth fighting for…
59, Mattias, maybe at this point because of you we should reconquer Germany to rid it of terrorist supporters like you.
The mecy of lslamic extremists the mercy of the sword@-)
#3 To BonBon who wrote:
“Rocky is right on. They will kill you and here’s why. They are penetrating our society little by little. Did you hear about the Arabic school in NYC that is going to be funded by taxpayer money? There is even a senator and a presidential candidate. Do not think it won’t happen. In our lifetime maybe not but you can be assured it’s coming.
All those PEACEFUL muslims are just waiting. You my friend are extraordinarily naive.”
He’s not your friend. He’s a thinking man and you abhor thought.
Your entire post “BonBon” speaks to your Bogeyman mentality that no proper way exists in this world than the American way. That’s horseshit.
Those “peaceful” Christians are just waiting to take over the oil fields in order to exert control over the world. Make no mistake: Just because it’s your country doing it does not justify the doing.
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BonBon writes: “Big, BIG difference but here’s an icon you should relate to. ^:)^ ”
No that would be YOUR brainless devotion to the rhetoric of middle American anit-intellectual feebs.
Here’s one you’ll relate to: :-ss Fear is your middle name.
#62: “Those “peaceful”Christians are just waiting to take over the oil fields in order to exert control over the world. Make no mistake: Just because it’s your country doing it does not justify the doing.”
This is close to being the most asinine thing I have ever seen posted here.
Eben you are a fool but you know what? If you are gay as you state in your posts you will be one of the first ones to go. Islamists hate homosexuals even if they themselves engage in same sex relations.
Why should we expend the money and lives to “Steal” the oil from the middle east when we have far more oil of our own between the Atlantic and Pacific Coastal shelves, the Gulf of Mexico, and ANWAR. OH I forgot, because some nut job ecofreak is worried it might interfere with the sex life of a caribou. An animal that has been domesticated in Europe for centuries (reindeer for the biological education challenged) and is so prolific in the Alaskan wilds that some herds number into the thousands.
62,63, Eben, have you stopped looking under your bed for John Ashcroft yet?
Eben, you are beyond the level of being a fool. If we were going to take the oil of the middle east, why haven’t we taken the oil of Kuwait, Qutar, and other ME country where we already have extensive military bases? Think for once with your brain, not your crotch.
Looks like SLF is blowing off lots of HOT AIR just like AL GORE dose when he is on his soap box:))
The west is screwed, and thanks to liberal commie pinko rainbow flag waving traitors, we’ll all be wearing burkas by 2023. Especially love the liberals disgust when it comes to Christianity (the faith Islam cribbed most of it’s theology from) but touchy feely acceptance of Muslim faith. When the Islamic law is passed as bottom line, we”ll see how the flower-children feel when they’re forced to worship a pagan moon god, when gays are not only not allowed to marry but are inprisoned, and women walk around wrapped head to toe. Good job love-children.