The Muslim Ottoman Empire (1400′s – 1700′s) allowed for different religous Ummas (communities) in the Empire to be independent and free to practice their own brand of religion.
There were no forced conversions.
The vast majority of the Islamic world was converted by Missionaries, not by the sword – with the exception of North Africa.
Don’t buy into the xenophobic fear and hype concerning Islam. Much of what you hear and read from partisan sources is incorrect and/or exagerrated.
I’m taking a Muslim Studies class at San Francisco State University. The teacher is a secular Iranian-Muslim.
I advise all of you to learn more about Islam, not through the fucking internet, but from academic sources.
SFL….I AM reading about Islam from scholars and not the internet and I would use a class at a university taught by an Iranian scholar with as much skepticism as anything else. Probably more.
Rocky is right on. They will kill you and here’s why. They are penetrating our society little by little. Did you hear about the Arabic school in NYC that is going to be funded by taxpayer money? There is even a senator and a presidential candidate. Do not think it won’t happen. In our lifetime maybe not but you can be assured it’s coming.
All those PEACEFUL muslims are just waiting. You my friend are extraordinarily naive.
“Islam is a religion of peace and Muslims will kill you to prove it.”
——————————————
That’s just baseless, uneducated fear.
Do you actually KNOW any Muslims, speak with them on a day to day basis? Have they tried to kill you?
Get real.
There are over 1 Billion+ Muslims in the world, and the VAAAAST majority of them ARE peaceful, and are absolutly no different from you or me.
If Islam and Muslims were truly these horrific monsters you wacko-freaks make them out to be, you’d have one billion crazed religous nuts across the world fighting you day in and out since the 7th century.
Fortunately for you and me, only a tiny fraction of 1% of those billions of Muslims are the ones making all the news lately.
“They are penetrating our society little by little. Did you hear about the Arabic school in NYC that is going to be funded by taxpayer money?”
—————–
Did you hear about all those private Christian schools that are funded with taxpayer money? It’s called ‘School Vouchers’ and it’s your dumbass-party that supports that one…not mine.
At least with this muslim school in NYC, you now know a taste of how liberals feel when their tax dollars go to private fundamentalist christian schools.
“There is even a senator and a presidential candidate.”
——————–
Oh, I’m sorry BonBon. I thought this was America, where we are free to practice whatever religion we like and are free to run for political office no matter what religion we choose to believe in.
I guess many of you far-righties out there have a different idea of what a free United States should be like.
Heh. And you people have the nerve to call us “unamerican”.
You probably don’t even get the irony in your comment.
“SFL, there were forced conversions to Islam. What do you think happened when the Moors conquered Spain?”
—————————–
Under Islam, Christians and Jews were recognised as “peoples of the book”, and were free to practice their religion, but faced some discriminations. Conversion to Islam proceeded at a steadily increasing pace, starting with the aristocracy, as it offered an escape from the limitations and humiliations of their dhimmi status.
8, and just who wrote the wikipedia entry? SFL, wiki is not considered anything more than a propaganda sheet. It has been proven wrong here many times.
Now, just to update your dumbass, when those two Fox reporters had guns to their heads and told to convert to Islam or die, That was a forced conversion, FOOOLLL!!!
SFL….not one place in my post did I say I was prejudiced towards muslims. On the contrary I was giving you a few examples of how they are ‘peacefully’ exploiting American laws and will one day rule. I’ve been reading alot of books lately from REPUTABLE authors and my conclusion is that sometime in the mid century Islam will be the majority population of the earth. With this majority will come a takeover. Just listen to Ahmadinejad, follow the Palestinian rants, or just really pay close attention to the sermons preached in the mosques in America, Europe and the middle east.
From a Christian perspective I’ve pretty much concluded that I probably won’t still be here at that time and the world will most likely end. We are entering an era where this is the beginning of that final event.
I’m learning to accept the fact that if we don’t change things it will change us. But can we change them? Do we have the will? Will liberals and their global ideologies of ‘lets all get along’ ruin us.
I have no problem respecting their religion but I ask you, why aren’t you equally as angry at them for not respecting mine?
“I’m taking a Muslim Studies class at San Francisco State University. The teacher is a secular Iranian-Muslim.”
Oh, well that’s completely different! The fact that it is a Muslim teacher, taught at the center for non-political-biased learning (San FranFreako State), is enough to establish the credentials of this course as 100% genuine!
And O.J. is innocent, Saddam NEVER had WMD of any type, and WWF wrestling is real!
1- Who knew you couldn’t trust the Qur’an?
There were no forced conversions? Um..you might want to take to the Fox reporters that were forced to convert for their freedom..They were kidnapped by those peaceful Islamics. And yes, I am talking about them…cause that is where the religion has evolved to..you stay focused.
Can you provide a link to school vouchers paying for Christian schools? Charter schools are not religious schools, but they do receive some funding..is that what you meant? It isn’t the same think as the Muslim school in NY.
Regarding the topic (quotes from the Koran), I think that fewest of the typical religious sources really pay attention to today’s political correctness. Most of the old testament suggests rules and punishments as we today only associate with fundalementalist Islam (death row for adultery, etc)…
Or to quote Simpons’s Reverend Lovejoy:
“…oh just about everything is a sin, have you ever sat down and read this thing? Technically we’re not allowed to go to the bathroom.” :d
Peejz,
what is actually the purpose of this kind of repeated “Islam/Muslim”-bashing?
The only people I associate with this kind of discrimination propaganda are Ku Klux Clan (against Black), 3rd Reich Nazis (against Jews), Communists (against Democrats) or Muslim Fundamentalists (against western liberalism and Jews).
Do you need to create some sort of “enemy pattern” to justify military action or what is this generalization (muslims=terrorists) good for?
SFL, You need to see a shrink. You have a tenuous grasp on reality. We are talking about now. You dance around every time you get a rhetorical fist to the face which sends you reeling into delusions of superiority and into your liberal dream of the world.
Matthias……it’s called educating oneself on the reasons why we are being attacked. Ok? Since the early 70′s the United States has been endlessly threatened and attacked by Islamists. When that ends, so will our “muslim bashing” as you put it.
19. Yes, muslim men do things that are beyond belief to women. Beating them if their ankle shows, murdering them if they dishonor their family in some innoculous way.
20- The purpose is to start a discussion…See, they Islamics call themselves peaceful yet kill in the name of Allah in the year 2007. Convert or die is their slogan.
25, Peejz, our resident liberal lunatic, SFL, doesn’t believe that. He’ll post anything to try to refute that. I’m surprised he hasn’t quoted Ibrahim Hooper or some other CAIR mouthpiece.
PCD….yes, if they weren’t living in Europe where they have to abide by the rule of law (generally speaking), she would be killed.
Muslims in alot of western countries are instructed to not follow the laws to the letter but to infiltrate societies in a way that will ultimately lead to domination.
Peejz….I notice when alot of my comments are ignored :-w
29, BonBon, You make great points. I just don’t like echo chambering other’s comments. I consider that a liberal thing to do since they believe more in “concensus” or just plain bullying an issue rather than true facts and logic.
Just watch Mattias, Eben, and SFL to prove this statement.
Thanks PCD….I have spent alot of time this summer reading from selected scholars on every topic relevant to our middle east foreign policy to the culture of Islam. I have also gone to several lectures in DC and they are very informative.
Recently I had a conversation with a liberal who started talking about how surprised we all were on 9/11. Boy did he end up with an earful. :x
…..and for the liberals who are going to immediately come down on me for thinking I’m an expert I make no such claim. I haven’t even finished reading all my books yet. I do feel as though I have learned enough though to understand a little about what’s going on.
23- “Since the early 70′s the United States has been endlessly threatened and attacked by Islamists”
a) As you say: When it has been attacked, it was attacked by “Islamists” and not by common Muslims… When America was at war with Nazi-Germany you also referred to Nazis or Germans but not to Europeans nor to Christians. There is a difference!
Nobody (at least not me) will complain about people doing “Fundamentalist”-bashing
b) Everybody working in the security business learns that the best approach before applying force is to act de-escalating.
What’s the purpose of spreading hate with this kind of propaganda? To get instead of (lets say) currently 100 million islamists against you all of the 1.4 billion Muslims as your enemies??
This behaviour won’t get you any (new) friends… it’s simply stupid, because those you approve it, shared your radical view already before.
24- “Yes, muslim men do things that are beyond belief to women. Beating them if their ankle shows, murdering them if they dishonor their family in some innoculous way.”
Yes, I see… while the evangelical views (earth is 6,000 years old, homosexuality is an illness, America is God’s chosen country, Israel belongs to the Jews as the Bible says so, stem cell research is a creation of Satan, etc.) are much more progressive… 8-|
It’s funny to see conservatives from one culture boasting how “liberal” they are compared to the liberals from another culture.
37- We are one nation under God, and I haven’t heard evangelicals complain about stem cells, I have heard many people of all backgrounds complain about embryonic stem cells though…
I think that is the same problem that the maid of Orleans thought of shortly after fire was set to her stake:”Does God REALLY like the Frenchies more than the Tommies?!?”
And for equally lame reasons as some Muslim men do…
Matthias is 100% right on.
You people have NO IDEA how similar you sound to the Nazi’s spreading hate and lies about the Jews and to the KKK spreading hate and lies about American Blacks…
Seriously, I know you people aren’t (for the most part) racist…you’re just scared.
And when you have something that many Westerners do not understand very well (Islam) you get freakied out about it.
Be careful, it’s very easy for people to come in and use your fear to their advantage…be it selling books, or getting votes.
Hear the stroy from ALL SIDES.
Befriend a Muslim MAN OR WOMAN. Talk to them…ask them questions about their religion.
I swear to god you will learn so much more than from biased books or radio talk show hosts.
Hell, take a Muslim studies class at your local community college.
41, SFL, you are such a fount of hypocrisy. YOU on the left never consider anything that doesn’t come from left biased sources.
If you think Islam is such a religion of peace, why don’t you, your wife, Mattias, and Mattias’ wife go live in her country of origin for a year or two. I doubt any of you four would last one year before being judged and executed under Sharia.
“Recently I had a conversation with a liberal who started talking about how surprised we all were on 9/11. Boy did he end up with an earful.”
Hi BonBon
Keep in mind that Liberalism is fundamentally a form of mental illness. All Liberals are afflicted to some degree; but the further left and more rabid, clearly the more serious and more advanced the case. The cases range from nice, friendly, every day people you meet who are Liberal and well-meaning but misguided to the foaming-at-the-mouth, demented, terminal cases exhibited by the Soros-funded groups.
My theory is only that, of course, having nor been proven with the rigor required to establish it scientifically as a fact. But it does seem to explain how Liberals can be so upside down so consistently; how otherwise educated, intelligent people cannot see and acknowledge the obvious.
If I was in Grad School and woring on a degree in anything arguably related I would make investigation of this subject my pHD thesis (that Liberalism is a form of mental illness).
“But it does seem to explain how Liberals can be so upside down so consistently; how otherwise educated, intelligent people cannot see and acknowledge the obvious.”
—————————————–
Funny, we say THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT CONSERVATIVES.
How can people like you who have presumably gone to college and have been educated be so utterly wrong and ignorant?!
Truly, Conservatism really IS a form of mental illness.
How else to explain it?
I mean…jesus christ…look at george bush. just fucking look at him, and tell me who would vote for this man?
Obviously, only someone who is mentaly deranged like a conservative.
Robert, my god man…I totally understand how you feel. (!)
#6 “Did you hear about all those private Christian schools that are funded with taxpayer money? It’s called ‘School Vouchers’ and it’s your dumbass-party that supports that one:not mine.
At least with this muslim school in NYC, you now know a taste of how liberals feel when their tax dollars go to private fundamentalist christian schools.”
Sorry SFL,yer WRONG again. There are NO Christian schhols funded by tax dollars, epriod. There has been a debate about vouchers, and they would NOT fund Christian schools with taxpayer dollars, they would simply enable taxpayers to choose where they want to spend their education tax dollars.
Do you try hard to be so wrong or does it come naturally?
Really? you mean it is commonplace; encouraged and in fact protected by Christian Reigious law? Wow, that’s a huge revelation, SFL! Next thing you know we’ll see Christian women beheaded in the public square because they disgraced their family (by being raped by Christian men). Right SFL? I mean, you are stating equivalence, right?
Can’t argue with you now SFL but you are wrong. I am very careful with what I read. Look at credentials. Further, you haven’t explained to me why they have attacked us. Like my argument with a liberal you are so quick to blame Christians.
Christians are not perfect however we respect the right of others to practice whatever religion they choose. Islam does not respect others right to practice religion, they believe that Islam will return in the glory days of years past. Kill a jew and Allah will bless you.
Big, BIG difference but here’s an icon you should relate to. ^:)^
SFL, is just trying to apply moral equivalence to the preception of Islam, but his prejudice against America, Christianity, and true facts have gotten in his way. To SFL, sophistry is reason.
“Sorry SFL,yer WRONG again. There are NO Christian schhols funded by tax dollars, epriod.”
Sorry, Robert…you’re the wrong one here.
Yes, it is VERY true…Vouchers often go to private Christian schools.
Proof? here’s one example of many:
The 2006-2007 school year will mark the first time in Milwaukee that more than $100 million will be paid in vouchers.[6] Twenty-six percent of Milwaukee students will receive public funding to attend schools outside the traditional Milwaukee Public School system. In fact, if the voucher program alone were considered a school district, it would mark the sixth-largest district in Wisconsin.
ROBERT —->>> :::::::St. Anthony Catholic School:::::::, located on Milwaukee’s south side, boasts 966 voucher students, meaning that it very likely receives more public money for general school support of a ::::parochial:::: elementary or high school than any before it in American history.
Robert, you may now admit you’re wrong on that one – christian schools DO recieve tax dollars (vouchers).
The Muslim Ottoman Empire (1400′s – 1700′s) allowed for different religous Ummas (communities) in the Empire to be independent and free to practice their own brand of religion.
There were no forced conversions.
The vast majority of the Islamic world was converted by Missionaries, not by the sword – with the exception of North Africa.
Don’t buy into the xenophobic fear and hype concerning Islam. Much of what you hear and read from partisan sources is incorrect and/or exagerrated.
I’m taking a Muslim Studies class at San Francisco State University. The teacher is a secular Iranian-Muslim.
I advise all of you to learn more about Islam, not through the fucking internet, but from academic sources.
You might learn a thing or two.
Islam is a religion of peace and Muslims will kill you to prove it.
SFL….I AM reading about Islam from scholars and not the internet and I would use a class at a university taught by an Iranian scholar with as much skepticism as anything else. Probably more.
Rocky is right on. They will kill you and here’s why. They are penetrating our society little by little. Did you hear about the Arabic school in NYC that is going to be funded by taxpayer money? There is even a senator and a presidential candidate. Do not think it won’t happen. In our lifetime maybe not but you can be assured it’s coming.
All those PEACEFUL muslims are just waiting. You my friend are extraordinarily naive.
SFL, there were forced conversions to Islam. What do you think happened when the Moors conquered Spain?
SFL, the more you write, the dumber you get.
“Islam is a religion of peace and Muslims will kill you to prove it.”
——————————————
That’s just baseless, uneducated fear.
Do you actually KNOW any Muslims, speak with them on a day to day basis? Have they tried to kill you?
Get real.
There are over 1 Billion+ Muslims in the world, and the VAAAAST majority of them ARE peaceful, and are absolutly no different from you or me.
If Islam and Muslims were truly these horrific monsters you wacko-freaks make them out to be, you’d have one billion crazed religous nuts across the world fighting you day in and out since the 7th century.
Fortunately for you and me, only a tiny fraction of 1% of those billions of Muslims are the ones making all the news lately.
“They are penetrating our society little by little. Did you hear about the Arabic school in NYC that is going to be funded by taxpayer money?”
—————–
Did you hear about all those private Christian schools that are funded with taxpayer money? It’s called ‘School Vouchers’ and it’s your dumbass-party that supports that one…not mine.
At least with this muslim school in NYC, you now know a taste of how liberals feel when their tax dollars go to private fundamentalist christian schools.
Doesn’t taste good, does it?
“There is even a senator and a presidential candidate.”
——————–
Oh, I’m sorry BonBon. I thought this was America, where we are free to practice whatever religion we like and are free to run for political office no matter what religion we choose to believe in.
I guess many of you far-righties out there have a different idea of what a free United States should be like.
Heh. And you people have the nerve to call us “unamerican”.
You probably don’t even get the irony in your comment.
“SFL, there were forced conversions to Islam. What do you think happened when the Moors conquered Spain?”
—————————–
Under Islam, Christians and Jews were recognised as “peoples of the book”, and were free to practice their religion, but faced some discriminations. Conversion to Islam proceeded at a steadily increasing pace, starting with the aristocracy, as it offered an escape from the limitations and humiliations of their dhimmi status.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain#Muslim_Iberia
I’d hardly call that “forced”, PCD. Sounds like the christian aristocracy was trying to gain political and economic advantage by converting to Islam.
Man, PCD…you’re like, 0 for 3,000 with me.
Want to try again?
8, and just who wrote the wikipedia entry? SFL, wiki is not considered anything more than a propaganda sheet. It has been proven wrong here many times.
Now, just to update your dumbass, when those two Fox reporters had guns to their heads and told to convert to Islam or die, That was a forced conversion, FOOOLLL!!!
“and just who wrote the wikipedia entry, SFL?”
————————-
Payne, Stanley G. (1973). A History of Spain and Portugal; Ch. 2 Al-Andalus. The Library of Iberian Resources Online. Retrieved on 2007-03-09.
:d
“when those two Fox reporters had guns to their heads and told to convert to Islam or die, That was a forced conversion”
—————–
Ah, yes, but that’s not what we were talking about now was it, PCD? We were talking about the Moors in Spain – remember?
stay focused.
SFL….not one place in my post did I say I was prejudiced towards muslims. On the contrary I was giving you a few examples of how they are ‘peacefully’ exploiting American laws and will one day rule. I’ve been reading alot of books lately from REPUTABLE authors and my conclusion is that sometime in the mid century Islam will be the majority population of the earth. With this majority will come a takeover. Just listen to Ahmadinejad, follow the Palestinian rants, or just really pay close attention to the sermons preached in the mosques in America, Europe and the middle east.
From a Christian perspective I’ve pretty much concluded that I probably won’t still be here at that time and the world will most likely end. We are entering an era where this is the beginning of that final event.
I’m learning to accept the fact that if we don’t change things it will change us. But can we change them? Do we have the will? Will liberals and their global ideologies of ‘lets all get along’ ruin us.
I have no problem respecting their religion but I ask you, why aren’t you equally as angry at them for not respecting mine?
11, SFL Bullshit artest. YOU are the one trying to say that there are NO forced conversions to Islam. You are wrong and can’t admit it.
12, because BonBon, SFL doesn’t respect your religion, your politics, or your rights.
I believe that PCD….as with all liberals it’s America’s fault.
(
“I’m taking a Muslim Studies class at San Francisco State University. The teacher is a secular Iranian-Muslim.”
Oh, well that’s completely different! The fact that it is a Muslim teacher, taught at the center for non-political-biased learning (San FranFreako State), is enough to establish the credentials of this course as 100% genuine!
And O.J. is innocent, Saddam NEVER had WMD of any type, and WWF wrestling is real!
1- Who knew you couldn’t trust the Qur’an?
There were no forced conversions? Um..you might want to take to the Fox reporters that were forced to convert for their freedom..They were kidnapped by those peaceful Islamics. And yes, I am talking about them…cause that is where the religion has evolved to..you stay focused.
Can you provide a link to school vouchers paying for Christian schools? Charter schools are not religious schools, but they do receive some funding..is that what you meant? It isn’t the same think as the Muslim school in NY.
There were no (or none documented) forced conversions in the OTTOMAN EMPIRE.
Look at what I said in my #1.
You people need to slow down with your assertions. I wasn’t talking about the present, or even about those Fox reporters.
8-|
Regarding the topic (quotes from the Koran), I think that fewest of the typical religious sources really pay attention to today’s political correctness. Most of the old testament suggests rules and punishments as we today only associate with fundalementalist Islam (death row for adultery, etc)…
Or to quote Simpons’s Reverend Lovejoy:
“…oh just about everything is a sin, have you ever sat down and read this thing? Technically we’re not allowed to go to the bathroom.” :d
Peejz,
what is actually the purpose of this kind of repeated “Islam/Muslim”-bashing?
The only people I associate with this kind of discrimination propaganda are Ku Klux Clan (against Black), 3rd Reich Nazis (against Jews), Communists (against Democrats) or Muslim Fundamentalists (against western liberalism and Jews).
Do you need to create some sort of “enemy pattern” to justify military action or what is this generalization (muslims=terrorists) good for?
SFL, You need to see a shrink. You have a tenuous grasp on reality. We are talking about now. You dance around every time you get a rhetorical fist to the face which sends you reeling into delusions of superiority and into your liberal dream of the world.
20, Mattias, no one really cares about your dysfunctional associations. You are an apologist for Islamofascists and refuse to recognize it.
Matthias……it’s called educating oneself on the reasons why we are being attacked. Ok? Since the early 70′s the United States has been endlessly threatened and attacked by Islamists. When that ends, so will our “muslim bashing” as you put it.
19. Yes, muslim men do things that are beyond belief to women. Beating them if their ankle shows, murdering them if they dishonor their family in some innoculous way.
Yup, the religion of peace.
20- The purpose is to start a discussion…See, they Islamics call themselves peaceful yet kill in the name of Allah in the year 2007. Convert or die is their slogan.
25, Peejz, our resident liberal lunatic, SFL, doesn’t believe that. He’ll post anything to try to refute that. I’m surprised he hasn’t quoted Ibrahim Hooper or some other CAIR mouthpiece.
24- Great points Bon Bon, and I have taken note that none of the men have agreed with you:-w
27, Peejz, speaking of honor killings, do you think Mattias’ wife is subject to one since she married a non-moslem?
PCD….yes, if they weren’t living in Europe where they have to abide by the rule of law (generally speaking), she would be killed.
Muslims in alot of western countries are instructed to not follow the laws to the letter but to infiltrate societies in a way that will ultimately lead to domination.
Peejz….I notice when alot of my comments are ignored :-w
29, BonBon, You make great points. I just don’t like echo chambering other’s comments. I consider that a liberal thing to do since they believe more in “concensus” or just plain bullying an issue rather than true facts and logic.
Just watch Mattias, Eben, and SFL to prove this statement.
Thanks PCD….I have spent alot of time this summer reading from selected scholars on every topic relevant to our middle east foreign policy to the culture of Islam. I have also gone to several lectures in DC and they are very informative.
Recently I had a conversation with a liberal who started talking about how surprised we all were on 9/11. Boy did he end up with an earful.
:x
…..and for the liberals who are going to immediately come down on me for thinking I’m an expert I make no such claim. I haven’t even finished reading all my books yet. I do feel as though I have learned enough though to understand a little about what’s going on.
31, BonBon, you shattered that liberals whole world delusions. Now, to shatter Mattias and SFL’s.
22- “Mattias, no one really cares about your dysfunctional associations. You are an apologist for Islamofascists and refuse to recognize it.”
Wow, what a sophisticated kind of language. I think, PCD, you are simply an asshole!! =))
34, Mattias, stop being childish. That is how we described you long ago, you dysfunctional putz.
23- “Since the early 70′s the United States has been endlessly threatened and attacked by Islamists”
a) As you say: When it has been attacked, it was attacked by “Islamists” and not by common Muslims… When America was at war with Nazi-Germany you also referred to Nazis or Germans but not to Europeans nor to Christians. There is a difference!
Nobody (at least not me) will complain about people doing “Fundamentalist”-bashing
b) Everybody working in the security business learns that the best approach before applying force is to act de-escalating.
What’s the purpose of spreading hate with this kind of propaganda? To get instead of (lets say) currently 100 million islamists against you all of the 1.4 billion Muslims as your enemies??
This behaviour won’t get you any (new) friends… it’s simply stupid, because those you approve it, shared your radical view already before.
24- “Yes, muslim men do things that are beyond belief to women. Beating them if their ankle shows, murdering them if they dishonor their family in some innoculous way.”
Yes, I see… while the evangelical views (earth is 6,000 years old, homosexuality is an illness, America is God’s chosen country, Israel belongs to the Jews as the Bible says so, stem cell research is a creation of Satan, etc.) are much more progressive… 8-|
It’s funny to see conservatives from one culture boasting how “liberal” they are compared to the liberals from another culture.
37-Typo:
“…are compared to the liberals from another culture.”
should say
“…are compared to the CONSERVATIVES from another culture.”
37- We are one nation under God, and I haven’t heard evangelicals complain about stem cells, I have heard many people of all backgrounds complain about embryonic stem cells though…
39- “We are one nation under God”
I think that is the same problem that the maid of Orleans thought of shortly after fire was set to her stake:”Does God REALLY like the Frenchies more than the Tommies?!?”
BonBon…Christian men BEAT THEIR WOMEN TOO.
And for equally lame reasons as some Muslim men do…
Matthias is 100% right on.
You people have NO IDEA how similar you sound to the Nazi’s spreading hate and lies about the Jews and to the KKK spreading hate and lies about American Blacks…
Seriously, I know you people aren’t (for the most part) racist…you’re just scared.
And when you have something that many Westerners do not understand very well (Islam) you get freakied out about it.
Be careful, it’s very easy for people to come in and use your fear to their advantage…be it selling books, or getting votes.
Hear the stroy from ALL SIDES.
Befriend a Muslim MAN OR WOMAN. Talk to them…ask them questions about their religion.
I swear to god you will learn so much more than from biased books or radio talk show hosts.
Hell, take a Muslim studies class at your local community college.
41, SFL, you are such a fount of hypocrisy. YOU on the left never consider anything that doesn’t come from left biased sources.
If you think Islam is such a religion of peace, why don’t you, your wife, Mattias, and Mattias’ wife go live in her country of origin for a year or two. I doubt any of you four would last one year before being judged and executed under Sharia.
“Recently I had a conversation with a liberal who started talking about how surprised we all were on 9/11. Boy did he end up with an earful.”
Hi BonBon
Keep in mind that Liberalism is fundamentally a form of mental illness. All Liberals are afflicted to some degree; but the further left and more rabid, clearly the more serious and more advanced the case. The cases range from nice, friendly, every day people you meet who are Liberal and well-meaning but misguided to the foaming-at-the-mouth, demented, terminal cases exhibited by the Soros-funded groups.
My theory is only that, of course, having nor been proven with the rigor required to establish it scientifically as a fact. But it does seem to explain how Liberals can be so upside down so consistently; how otherwise educated, intelligent people cannot see and acknowledge the obvious.
If I was in Grad School and woring on a degree in anything arguably related I would make investigation of this subject my pHD thesis (that Liberalism is a form of mental illness).
“But it does seem to explain how Liberals can be so upside down so consistently; how otherwise educated, intelligent people cannot see and acknowledge the obvious.”
—————————————–
Funny, we say THE EXACT SAME THING ABOUT CONSERVATIVES.
How can people like you who have presumably gone to college and have been educated be so utterly wrong and ignorant?!
Truly, Conservatism really IS a form of mental illness.
How else to explain it?
I mean…jesus christ…look at george bush. just fucking look at him, and tell me who would vote for this man?
Obviously, only someone who is mentaly deranged like a conservative.
Robert, my god man…I totally understand how you feel. (!)
#6 “Did you hear about all those private Christian schools that are funded with taxpayer money? It’s called ‘School Vouchers’ and it’s your dumbass-party that supports that one:not mine.
At least with this muslim school in NYC, you now know a taste of how liberals feel when their tax dollars go to private fundamentalist christian schools.”
Sorry SFL,yer WRONG again. There are NO Christian schhols funded by tax dollars, epriod. There has been a debate about vouchers, and they would NOT fund Christian schools with taxpayer dollars, they would simply enable taxpayers to choose where they want to spend their education tax dollars.
Do you try hard to be so wrong or does it come naturally?
“BonBon:Christian men BEAT THEIR WOMEN TOO.”
Really? you mean it is commonplace; encouraged and in fact protected by Christian Reigious law? Wow, that’s a huge revelation, SFL! Next thing you know we’ll see Christian women beheaded in the public square because they disgraced their family (by being raped by Christian men). Right SFL? I mean, you are stating equivalence, right?
Hi Robert :d
Can’t argue with you now SFL but you are wrong. I am very careful with what I read. Look at credentials. Further, you haven’t explained to me why they have attacked us. Like my argument with a liberal you are so quick to blame Christians.
Christians are not perfect however we respect the right of others to practice whatever religion they choose. Islam does not respect others right to practice religion, they believe that Islam will return in the glory days of years past. Kill a jew and Allah will bless you.
Big, BIG difference but here’s an icon you should relate to. ^:)^
SFL, is just trying to apply moral equivalence to the preception of Islam, but his prejudice against America, Christianity, and true facts have gotten in his way. To SFL, sophistry is reason.
“Sorry SFL,yer WRONG again. There are NO Christian schhols funded by tax dollars, epriod.”
Sorry, Robert…you’re the wrong one here.
Yes, it is VERY true…Vouchers often go to private Christian schools.
Proof? here’s one example of many:
The 2006-2007 school year will mark the first time in Milwaukee that more than $100 million will be paid in vouchers.[6] Twenty-six percent of Milwaukee students will receive public funding to attend schools outside the traditional Milwaukee Public School system. In fact, if the voucher program alone were considered a school district, it would mark the sixth-largest district in Wisconsin.
ROBERT —->>> :::::::St. Anthony Catholic School:::::::, located on Milwaukee’s south side, boasts 966 voucher students, meaning that it very likely receives more public money for general school support of a ::::parochial:::: elementary or high school than any before it in American history.
Robert, you may now admit you’re wrong on that one – christian schools DO recieve tax dollars (vouchers).
Woah…that wordpress thing you guys use fucking sucks.
I never once put a smiley face in place of the word: “Parochial”
Peejz, what gives?
Oh, and here is the link for my above Smack-Down of Roberts assertion that no tax money goes to christian schools.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_voucher#United_States