Open thread: Petraeus Report
Iran fighting ‘proxy war in Iraq’…
Military objectives of surge ‘are in large measure being met’…
Premature drawdown would be ‘devastating’…
Believes U.S. can reduce forces to pre-surge levels by next summer — to about 130,000 troops… MORE…
TESTIMONY [PDF]…
SLIDES [PDF]…
Surge to peak at 172,000 in mid-October…
Hearing starts with Democratic criticism…
CINDY SHEEHAN ARRESTED AT HEARING…
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Maliki says civil war averted… ——————————————————————————–
Dems make pre-emptive strike on Iraq reports…Question impartiality…
Antiwar leaders stymied, frustrated; Vent about Pelosi on private call…
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IRAQI POLL: 47% want American forces to leave the country immediately… ——————————————————————————–
September 11, 2007 - 01:49 AM on September 11th, 2007
“Iran fighting ‘proxy war in Iraq’:”
..which they could not, if the US military hadn’t invaded Iraq, right?
Referring to your remembrance-thread on 9/11, Peejz. How much freedom is there, if it is defended by either incompetent people (which I don’t believe) or warmongering deceivers???
Honestly with all the government’s lies, useless bloodshed and profits done by Halliburton while the domestic economy is ailing- the only difference between your freedom and the one in North Korea is that you may have an SUV, HBO and McDonalds!!! You are dazed by commerce and solemn memories…
September 11, 2007 - 06:15 AM on September 11th, 2007
1, Mattias, GO TO HELL!!! You are the liar and you don’t have facts, but leftwing nonsense and lies as your mental core.
September 11, 2007 - 08:12 AM on September 11th, 2007
2- What lies from my side?
“Mission accomplished” – with thousands of GIs dying afterwards and Bin Laden on the loose
“WMDs in Iraq” – where are/were those?
“Effective war against terror” – with more people being killed than ever before?
You tell me to go to hell, PCD? So I’d have to go to Iraq… the place where your government brought hell and you give a shit about it! Tenthousands of people were slaughtered as a consequence of your ignorance and arrogance!
September 11, 2007 - 08:20 AM on September 11th, 2007
2, Mattias, again your leftwing, mindless propaganda is spouted from your fingers.
The Mission Accomplished was explained to you many times. You are just proving you are too stupid to discuss events.
WMDs were shipped out of Iraq to Syria while we diddled with the UN 17 months instead of going in, getting Saddam and his sons out of power, and getting the WMD.
You would just rather let AlQaeda kill and kill around the world without doing anything. I PRAY the next AlQaeda bomb explodes near enough to you to hurt you bad enough that you start thinking for once in your wretched life.
You ignore the hundreds of thousands Saddam and his sons killed. You ignore the terror Saddam financed, but you blame the US for the problem. Well, wet putz, I blame people like you, the descendants of Neville Chamberlain supporters.
September 11, 2007 - 08:57 AM on September 11th, 2007
4- I don’t want to start this “the way things must be interpreted” discussions again.
Do you know why you are losing ground in your country’s public?
Because none of the even dumbest will longlasting accept 4-5 digit casualties if you have to provide a “that’s the way a reason has to be seen”-interpretation or have to go back 70 years in history…
September 11, 2007 - 09:00 AM on September 11th, 2007
5, HA, the polls are changing, and not towards your point of view. Again you argue from emotion and an infantile psyche. Grow up and come back after you do.
September 11, 2007 - 09:26 AM on September 11th, 2007
6- “Again you argue from emotion and an infantile psyche.”
Sorry, when responding to you, I tend to apply the PCD-translator…
September 11, 2007 - 09:33 AM on September 11th, 2007
7, no, you are too stupid to own a computer.
You also can not distinguish between good and evil. You lay it out for all to see. You can’t see evil in the Islamofascists, but you blame the US for all deaths in Iraq. Your moral equivalance doesn’t hold except in your demented mind.
September 11, 2007 - 10:00 AM on September 11th, 2007
I’d post this on the “God Bless the UA” topic, but I don’t want TedintheShed to have a heart attack, so here it is, the Leftist version of Lee Greenwood’s song:
“Proud to be a Liberal”: The new theme song of the American Left
If tomorrow all the things were gone
That made America great
And the Libs had taken over
’cause it’s George Bush that we hate,
I’d thank Nancy Pelosi
to be living here today,
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom
But we will take that away.
And I’m proud to be a Liberal
‘Cause I love being so PC,
And I just want more Big Government
To give more rights to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend our enemies today,
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love the Left
Take God out of the U.S.A.
From the lakes of Minnesota
to the hills of Tennessee,
Across the plains of Texas
from sea to shining sea.
From Detroit down to Houston
and New York to L.A.,
we want lots more illegals
and it’s time we stand and say:
And I’m proud to be a Liberal
‘Cause I love being so PC,
And I just want more Big Government
To give more rights to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend our enemies today,
‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love the Left
Take God out of the U.S.A.
September 11, 2007 - 11:05 AM on September 11th, 2007
What a great and oh so true poem Robert. Did you make that up yourself?
September 11, 2007 - 11:27 AM on September 11th, 2007
8- “You can’t see evil in the Islamofascists”
Liar… I’ve stated more than once that I hate terrorists and islamists. Quote any statement from my side where I don’t, or simply stop repeating this lie about me over and over again!
September 11, 2007 - 11:29 AM on September 11th, 2007
Hi BonBon,
In a moment of inspiration I created it this morning. I think it well captures the orientation, philosophy, and purpose of today’s Leftists.
Sung to Lee Greenwood’s song, it works well. I sent it to a local radio station that has a funny guy on the morning show who composes songs and plays guitar and sings. I hope he performs it.
September 11, 2007 - 12:03 PM on September 11th, 2007
11, stop defending them from being killed by our troops in Iraq, and stop calling the killing of AlQaeda and Islamofascists terrorism on the part of our troops.
September 11, 2007 - 12:23 PM on September 11th, 2007
Robert…..from now on I’ll have to call you our resident poet.
Please let us know if the radio guy plays it.
September 11, 2007 - 01:03 PM on September 11th, 2007
Okay, I’ll try to listen tomorrow and advise.
September 11, 2007 - 01:14 PM on September 11th, 2007
I watched Gen. Petraeus’ interview with Britt Hume last night, and Gen. Petreaus went over some of the same material he had presented to congress.
Bottom line:
1. It is NOT a Civil War. There is sectarian violence, but in no stretch of the imagination can it be called a civil war.
2. Al Qaeda and the swarm of foreigners sent into Iraq to murder, terrorize, and disrupt was the primary reason things went off track, NOT the actions or desires of the Iraqi people.
3. Iraq is the MAIN battlefront for Al Qaeda, and they are getting their asses kicked.
4. Political progress in Iraq, while slower than we want, is happening and is on a path to succeed.
So sorry, anti-war Leftists and Democrites, you are WRONG. Again…
I believe Gen. Petraeus’s opinion any day over some partisan hack Congressperson who has never been in the military, never done jack for America, and probably couldn’t have found Iraq on a map before this war (in other words, doesn’t know anything other than what the Democrite political objectives are).
September 11, 2007 - 02:29 PM on September 11th, 2007
13- “11, stop defending them from being killed by our troops in Iraq, and stop calling the killing of AlQaeda and Islamofascists terrorism on the part of our troops.”
a) I never “defended” terrorists from being killed by your troops. I defend civilians from being murdered by your troops no matter if intentionally or as “collateral damage”. I also defend your soldiers from the abuse that is done to them by your rotten government (PS: if you wonder where all the money lands that GW wastes in Iraq, just look at this link: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,504742,00.html -the Top10 of the war profiteers)
b) Any unjustified military action (for example as an act of defense like in Afghanistan) is a violation of the law of nations. And a civilian that is ripped up by a bomb does not care if the bomb was tied as a belt to a terrorist or if is dropped by an F117.
None of my views approves any kind of violence or terror. If a pacifist is in your head automatically terrorist-supporter, you should consider to shut up and let people discuss this topic who understand what they talk about!
September 11, 2007 - 02:43 PM on September 11th, 2007
16-
“1. It is NOT a Civil War. There is sectarian violence, but in no stretch of the imagination can it be called a civil war.”
No it’s not a civil war… Kurds, shiites, sunnites, Al Quaeda, PKK, professional kidnappers, Syrians, Iranians… they are all a happy family!
“2. Al Qaeda and the swarm of foreigners sent into Iraq to murder, terrorize, and disrupt was the primary reason things went off track, NOT the actions or desires of the Iraqi people.”
And there is no guilt on the US side who never ever could have expected such an development! With the example of many African states with civil wars- how could one ever have expected that people with different social, ethnic, religious or loyalty to the previous government could NOT live peacefully together?!?
“3. Iraq is the MAIN battlefront for Al Qaeda, and they are getting their asses kicked.”
Actually, you MADE Iraq the main battlefront for Al Quaeda. Under Saddam it was not…
“4. Political progress in Iraq, while slower than we want, is happening and is on a path to succeed.”
Yes, right the way it happened successfully in all states where the western world thought to do the people there a favor… Israel/Palestine.. Somalia… Korea… Afghanistan…
And: Interesting how much you care about those worthless muslims… what a noble engagement for people with hateable religion?!
September 11, 2007 - 04:03 PM on September 11th, 2007
#18:
Point 1: Your reponse does not make sense.
Point 2: It was a statement of fact; your response is irrelevent.
Point 3: Al Qaeda made it so when they went in there.
Point 4: Your reponse does not make sense.
September 13, 2007 - 03:51 PM on September 13th, 2007
Yes this situation is disgraceful, but not because Democratic Senators are asking tough questions! It is because this general bows to the will of the Administration and make statements that are obbviously untrue!
Everyone KNOWS the war is already lost!
Everyone KNOWS it has been a disaster!
Everyone KNOWS the Republicans are on the way out, for good!
Everyone KNOWS it is time to cut further losses and withdraw immediately!
Everyone KNOWS it is time to apologize to the World Community, seek forgiveness, then repair relations!
Everyone KNOWS the real threat is Republicans/Xtians, NOT Muslims!
Everyone KNOWS the creation of Israel was a mistake and it is time to let natural forces and geopolitical evolution correct it!
Everyone KNOWS that the Democratic party can leas us into the future as we assume our place in the World Community free of artificial differences such as nationalism, xenophobia, racism, and bigotry!!!
September 13, 2007 - 07:44 PM on September 13th, 2007
All I know Democratic Activist is that if we cut and run from Iraq we will be fighting terrorists here in America on an unprecendented scale and in many ways an unimaginable one as well.
I’d like to see how you yellow bellied, liver lillied pond scum cowards handle that?