Digital Forensics Expert: Bin Laden Video Was Edited
By: Pam On: Sep/12/07 - 44 Comments
RobertWell this news certainly calls for huge bonuses for the management! Afer all, they are politically-connected...
Fred Dawesthis is what happens when you have a PC Army how sad but will become normal place in the coming years of...
Fred DawesLooks like the real civil war is about to start 12 to 20 killed at ft.hood and the FBI Said its not mulsims...
Former Army OfficerGee let’s use some common sense here (A rarity in DC I’m sure.) If you’re a top...
Former Army OfficerSince San Fran Nan closed the press conference, who did someone from the opposition get in with a...
Former Army OfficerThere won’t be any working poor to live off of if this and the crap and tax bill passes. The...
Former Army OfficerBush may have pushed for laws to allow them to come here, BUT this guy came during the CLINTON...
Former Army OfficerNow if the fact that the voters in Maine are actually somewhat conservative would soak in to their...
RobertHa ha ha! WHAT a pathetic douchebag! He just makes up his own criteria, which by definition then makes his...
PamDid you say spin Robert? Look for my Next post..he can spin!
RobertWell maybe Olbermann is cloistered away preparing a magnificent way to spin all of this into a crowning victory...
PamIn order to soak the rich properly and by properly, I mean soak them so everything is paid for, the tax rate would...
PamI believe the network news applied the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Policy on this story
libbie basherBeing that this filthy bag of dog sh#t is a Muslim, and not a Christian, will anyone be surprised if...
Fred DawesThe end of a nation has come the end of freedom and laws and the ideals of duty not just to a nation state...
Fred DawesIf you go back to 2004 bush helped to get laws that would allow millions of muslims to come here. Thank you...
Fred DawesOne word, Yes!
RobertIf this is so wonderful and necessary, and Pelosi and other demagogues want so much to tax the rich, I hereby...
StoutcatThanks for linking. The commenter raises a very good question here. Patrick at The Moderate Voice puts it a...
Fred Dawes(who can possibly read a 1,990 page law) the lawyers who work for the big boys who will make billions on...
September 12, 2007 - 11:01 PM on September 12th, 2007
Hmmm…the sixth anniversary of 9/11, and ALL Al Qaeda could muster was releasing a cheezy pos video. Pretty pathetic. Evidence that we are indeed kicking their asses.
September 13, 2007 - 03:26 AM on September 13th, 2007
I read that in the video Bin Laden praised the 9/11 murderers.
With all the horror that came as a consequence to this assault (also happening to “his” people), this rotten bastard must be really insane and no hell could ever punish his cruelties!
September 13, 2007 - 07:03 AM on September 13th, 2007
2- Imagine that? praising the people he sent to kill on 9/11..whodda thunk it?
Well, let’s see…
Why the need to put out a fake video?
Why would the most hunted man wear the same outfit in the 04′ and 07′ video with just a slight modification?
Why would the most hunted man show the hunter his disquise?
Is he actually dead? It’s really kinda looking like that!
September 13, 2007 - 07:13 AM on September 13th, 2007
I think you have a valid point there Peejz. I’m beginning to believe he is dead. There is a $50million bounty on his head and NO ONE has come forward? It just doesn’t add up. I know they are loyal to him but $50million?
September 13, 2007 - 08:18 AM on September 13th, 2007
I read about some artist who created a picture with some sort of morph between Osama Bin Laden and Jesus Christ.
I really wonder, why it is perceived (such) negatively if muslims protest about Mohammed caricatures (as long as it is done peacefully). To me the question would be, why no christian gets upset if such a publicity-horny asshole that calls himself artist insults the highest representative of OUR religion?
September 13, 2007 - 09:17 AM on September 13th, 2007
because we aren’t living 3000 years in the past. And Muslims don’t protest peacefully..they burn cities down and behead people or threaten to behead them
September 13, 2007 - 10:00 AM on September 13th, 2007
“I really wonder, why it is perceived (such) negatively if muslims protest about Mohammed caricatures (as long as it is done peacefully). ”
The protest that were perceived negatively was because those protests were not done peacefully.
I saw no press about peaceful protests by Muslims regarding the caricatures. Although it may have happened, if it did that is well within their right.
“To me the question would be, why no christian gets upset if such a publicity-horny asshole that calls himself artist insults the highest representative of OUR religion?”
Why would that be the question?
September 13, 2007 - 10:06 AM on September 13th, 2007
When a degenerate such as “artist” Mapplethorpe exhibits his “art” consisting of a crucifix upside down in a container of urine, we Christians are disgusted and annoyed, but we express our opinion and move on. We don’t behead anyone or riot and burn down the city.
Such is the difference between evolved, civilized society and a pack of ignorant, brainwashed animals stuck in the 8th century.
September 13, 2007 - 11:27 AM on September 13th, 2007
Yeah, I kind of have a gut feeling that he’s been dead for some time (he was on kidney dialysis for years, hard to keep up in the rugged mountains) and that the Islamic fighters are just using his name and image to drum up support.
Also, you people are to blame for a small part of this.
The Bush Admin and the media have done their hardest to scare Americans, mainly for political advantage.
So we create this large than life monster that we’re all “afraid” of, and then the Islamic Radicals turn our fear against us and use it as one of the few tools they have to reach us.
Stop being so afraid, people. The enemy is using your fear to his advantage.
September 13, 2007 - 11:30 AM on September 13th, 2007
“…we Christians are disgusted and annoyed, but we express our opinion and move on. We don’t behead anyone or riot and burn down the city.”
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Hmmmm…don’t forget Roebrt, that there are “Christians” who often beat and murder men, right here in America, only because they are gay and it offends their “traditional values” to the point of causing harm.
My point? The human animal, when enraged, is a stupid-dangerous being…it makes absolutly NO difference whether you are muslim or christian.
September 13, 2007 - 11:38 AM on September 13th, 2007
“Hmmmm
on’t forget Roebrt, that there are “Christians”who often beat and murder men, right here in America, only because they are gay and it offends their “traditional values”to the point of causing harm.”
Which creates equivalence between Christianity and Islamofascism? Sorry, No.
September 13, 2007 - 11:40 AM on September 13th, 2007
Easy, Robert.
Christian men commit violence and mayhem just as easily and as often as Muslim men.
Sorry…yes!
September 13, 2007 - 11:41 AM on September 13th, 2007
or, to put it more bluntly:
christians are just as fucking stupid as muslims, especially when they commit their individual acts of violence.
no ones hands are free of blood.
September 13, 2007 - 11:42 AM on September 13th, 2007
what religion did the men belong to that slaughtered tens of thousands of muslim boys and men during the Bosnian war, by lining them up against mass graves and shooting them in the backs of the heads?
September 13, 2007 - 12:04 PM on September 13th, 2007
Ahhh, but SFL, by all accounts the leaders of the muslim countries didn’t care about Bosnia. In the U.N. they met and were more concerned about Israel existing than the slaughter of a few million muslims. And who went in and ended the slaughter? I’ll give Clinton that one but look at the history of it. No Security Council approval and he waited 4 years into the slaughter.
September 13, 2007 - 12:24 PM on September 13th, 2007
You are missing the point, BonBon…
those were Christian men, and christian soldiers that were lining those muslim men and boys up and shooting them in the backs of the heads by the thousands.
a handful of murders, I can understand. War is hell, right? But to line up thousands of men, after having them dig their own graves, and to blow their brians out their forheads is an act of utter EVIL.
And Christians did it.
Like, 10+ years ago.
My point?
Men do evil things…be they muslim OR christian.
But, you people are only focusing on the muslim aspect. That’s fine, but you lose perspective and balance when you gloss over the evil that christians do.
Just be aware that it doesn’t matter what religion you are, we are all capable of committing evil acts.
September 13, 2007 - 01:38 PM on September 13th, 2007
“those were Christian men, and christian soldiers that were lining those muslim men and boys up and shooting them in the backs of the heads by the thousands.
a handful of murders, I can understand. War is hell, right? But to line up thousands of men, after having them dig their own graves, and to blow their brians out their forheads is an act of utter EVIL.”
When did that happen? We heard the mass grave/ethnic cleansing hype as justification of U.S. entry into the war (with NO U.N. approval and NO Amrican interests). But those mass graves with thiousands of bodies killed by Serbs were never found, as was evidence of substantial “ethnic cleansing”.
Now in this country, we need some political “Democrite” cleansing.
September 13, 2007 - 05:00 PM on September 13th, 2007
What specifically are you referring to SFL…
September 13, 2007 - 08:15 PM on September 13th, 2007
Peejz I think he posted it because he thought it sounded good.
September 14, 2007 - 02:30 AM on September 14th, 2007
I think, what you people mix up is religion and overall culture.
As far as I can speak about the muslim culture that I got in contact with, it is a difference if you look at muslims from the big turkish cities (Istanbul or Ankara) and those coming from the (from a western perspective) underdeveloped rural areas in the southeast. THERE you have people who kill eachother if their honor was offended- while in the urban areas people live (and think) like in western cities.
I would compare the middle-east muslim countries to some christian states in South America: there is a deep dedication to God but also a strong tie to old cultural habits- no matter how backward those may seem (to our eyes).
September 14, 2007 - 02:47 AM on September 14th, 2007
SFL,
what I do not understand about the people here, is what they actually expect?
For those muslims who come to Europe or the US, I would say that they are entering countries with other cultural background where they have to accept that it is allowed to insult a prophet. They may protest but within the legal framework. So I/we expect that these people adapt to our cultural/legal standards while keeping (as the constitution allows) their religion and all somewhat “west-compliant” own values.
But what do US conservatives expect of muslims in their homecountries?! They’ve been living like this for centuries. Just because some foreigners show up and build some McDonalds and praising their foreign values, are the people (for which their own values always worked!) supposed to changed within a couple of years? …or to change at all?
Tell me Peejz, BonBon & Robert, what does a muslim have to do in order to be accepted by you as equal?
September 14, 2007 - 07:22 AM on September 14th, 2007
Matthias…..in answer to your question. For starters I never had an ounce of prejudice towards any person or religion. Until 9/11. After that I couldn’t understand why a former friend of mine, born in Egypt, raised in the U.S. would blame jews, etc. I had to open my eyes a bit.
So I did some reading, learned some facts and listened to the DEAFENING silence of your ‘peaceful muslims.’ When I start hearing protests of rebellion against the radicals instead of the same ole blame the jews, christians, blah, blah, blah, I will once again accept them as equals.
In the meantime I’m weary. I do not have to prove to them, they have to prove to me.
September 14, 2007 - 07:50 AM on September 14th, 2007
Bon Bon well said! I think you answered Matthias question quite fully!
There you have it, Matthias! The peaceful Muslims need to clean up their religion. Take out their trash. And if not directly, come out strong and fully against the murdering extremists. Declare a Jihad on the Jihadists.
September 14, 2007 - 11:55 AM on September 14th, 2007
Thanks Robert….I’m trying to learn how to write pithy
September 14, 2007 - 04:54 PM on September 14th, 2007
“Easy, Robert.
Christian men commit violence and mayhem just as easily and as often as Muslim men.
Sorry:yes!”
Just as often? Really? I wasn’t aware that Christianity had declared Jihad on the World, was sending out suicide bombers, kidnapping and murdering, etc.!!! Really? That is what you are saying?
You are either joking, on drugs, or are very seriously mentally ill.
September 15, 2007 - 09:03 AM on September 15th, 2007
Muslim supporters are soooo quick to point out the crusades, which were really only retaliation by the “Christians” when they had had enough of Muslims overrunning their countries. Unfortunately, many of them also included the Jews in this effort, even though it was expressly commanded by the organizers of the Crusades not to touch the Jews.
September 17, 2007 - 06:04 AM on September 17th, 2007
26 – I did not talk about a crusade yet, Susanna, but now as you come to mention it…
Nobody in this forum was yet able to explain to me (believably) why they are on one hand saying that they wanted to help the people in Iraq by removing their dictator government but one the other hand they continously show their lack of respect (if not even hate) towards this people by declaring their religion as the “root of all evil” and by this way insult also completely unconcerned people like my wife?
If I invade somebody’s country with some pretended reason (liberation of somebody I do not like?) and in fact I disrespect him due to his “evil” religion- the term “crusade” is not completely unlikely to be associated with…
September 17, 2007 - 06:12 AM on September 17th, 2007
22- “Until 9/11. After that I couldn’t understand why a former friend of mine, born in Egypt, raised in the U.S. would blame jews, etc. I had to open my eyes a bit.”
So a dozen idiots from Saudi-Arabia and one from Egypt are enough for you to hate all muslims in the world, right? It’s not that you choose to hate Al Quaeda alone or Saudi-Arabia or “a little bit” Egypt- it has to be the whole religion and all of their believers.
But I guess hating all muslims is not the worst choice- you could have done worse by hating all people with black hair and a beard… or everyone between Istanbul and Bombay…
“When I start hearing protests of rebellion against the radicals instead of the same ole blame the jews, christians, blah, blah, blah”
Strange… in my world (which is as far as I may perceive it), you people are the only ones blaming somebody!!!
September 17, 2007 - 06:26 AM on September 17th, 2007
Matthias,
Even the Iraqis understand that we are fighting AQ in their country, too bad you refuse to. I understand that would be a big step for you, but it is time to let go of the ignorance.
Where the 9/11 hijackers came from is of no consequence to the arguement. What they represent is…they were radical islamics…when push came to shove, the peace loving ones have done nothing to stop them…that is why I don’t trust them…
September 17, 2007 - 06:29 AM on September 17th, 2007
27,28, I see Mattias is still as stupid as before I left for a little trip. Mattias, you need a shrink.
September 17, 2007 - 07:50 AM on September 17th, 2007
29 “Where the 9/11 hijackers came from is of no consequence to the arguement. What they represent is:they were radical islamics:”
So if you know that the 9/11 bastards were RADICALS, why do you insult people who I appreciate a lot over and over again with your “Muslims=terrorists… Islam=religion of terror”-threads?
You are spreading hate-propaganda by this! That is in no way better than people in Iran or Palestine, who burn your flag and speak about “these Americans” or the Nazis when they tried to display to the public “how rotten THESE Jews were”.
September 17, 2007 - 07:53 AM on September 17th, 2007
Matthias…fuck off.
September 17, 2007 - 08:07 AM on September 17th, 2007
32-
OMG, I did not see that coming!
September 17, 2007 - 08:08 AM on September 17th, 2007
Trust me when I tell you Peejz, I do not use that phrase lightly however this guy Matthias has worked my last nerve.
September 17, 2007 - 08:11 AM on September 17th, 2007
31, Mattias, you are SOOOOOO stupid. How do you continue to exist??? Oh, I know you piss off “friends” and appease enemies.
September 17, 2007 - 08:17 AM on September 17th, 2007
31- what part of this sentence do you not understand: “when push came to shove, the peace loving ones have done nothing to stop them:that is why I don’t trust them:”
I am not spreading any hate propaganda, just pointing out the truth.
September 17, 2007 - 08:23 AM on September 17th, 2007
I always wondered why if it was that the vast majority of Christians did not participate in the Crusades then why was it a “Christain” issue. It seems a double standard- because thse who pull this out and use it are the same that says that the Jihadis carried out by “radical Muslims” are not a Muslim issue.
Folks, it has to be one way or another. Either The Crusades were a Christian issue and Radical muslims are an Islam issue OR the Crusades were thew act of radical Christians and Radical Islam is the act of radical Muslims.
September 17, 2007 - 09:02 AM on September 17th, 2007
My understanding of the “Crusades” is that they were a pushback by the Christians against the Muslims because the Muslims took over Jerusalem.(imagine that!) The Church/Popes were condoning the behavior/killing and promising a seat in heaven…the battles ended with the Protestant Reformation. The Muslims were still a threat, but the Christians spoke out against each other.
September 17, 2007 - 09:03 AM on September 17th, 2007
36- “when push came to shove, the peace loving ones have done nothing to stop them:that is why I don’t trust them:â€
Apart from the fact that there not so many radical (terror-approving) muslims around that every moderate muslim know some radical one that he might convince, even a moderate muslim knew a radical one:
How do you think one could convince somebody that is willing to blow himself up for his belief?
I mean, I am not capable of doing this with YOU people either- even though all negative projections that I did in context of this war came true!!!
“I am not spreading any hate propaganda, just pointing out the truth.”
You can bet that Hitler and Goebbels were convinced to do so as well!
September 17, 2007 - 09:05 AM on September 17th, 2007
32- Go gas some pacifists, poofs, muslims and mexicans, you fascist!
September 17, 2007 - 09:07 AM on September 17th, 2007
Can some interpret post# 39 for me please?
September 17, 2007 - 09:24 AM on September 17th, 2007
39&40-
Who is talking about knowing them personally? How about we see some of that hate you spew against our country go into a protest against the radical Muslims? Is your wife willing to walk in the streets to denounce the actions of the majority? How about we see some massive demonstrations where thousands of peaceful Muslims tell the radicals that they don’t speak for them…When that happens, I will post it, until then, shut the hell up about Hitler and Goebbels. The Jews didn’t attack Germany, the Jews didn’t cause the economic hardships of Germany…Germany did that.
the Muslims brought this upon themselves.
September 17, 2007 - 09:26 AM on September 17th, 2007
41, Ted, Mattias has no cogent comeback at BonBon, therefore he lashed out with all the pent up liberal hate he has. The only thing he didn’t do was call BonBon a Nazi.
September 17, 2007 - 09:29 AM on September 17th, 2007
42, Peejz, you are speaking to an ignorant brick wall. Mattias can only rage long distance through the internet at those he knows won’t seek him out for a personal, face-to-face confrontation.
Actually Mattias and his wife perfectly demostrate the problem with the muslim world. They WILL NOT STAND UP TO THE RADICALS IN THEIR OWN WORLD, BUT BLAME EVERYONE ELSE.