Bryan linked to the crime committed by Heliberto Chi . Chi is at the center of the latest attempt to take the death penalty off the books, as he is suing on the basis that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment:
In 2001, Armand Paliotta was working at the K&G Men’s Superstore in southwest Arlington. Chi had worked at the store as an assistant tailor, but had been fired, former employees said.
The young man stopped by the store twice on March 24, according to court documents. During his first visit, he chatted with some of the employees, stayed about 30 minutes, then left.
He returned as Paliotta and two other employees were ready to leave for the night. Chi told them that he was missing his wallet, which he might have left in the store when he had stopped by earlier, said Adrian Riojas, who had started working at the store seven months earlier.
Paliotta let him inside to look.
Chi went to the back of the store, then returned and asked whether he could stay to search for it, Riojas said. Paliotta he would have to come back the next day, Riojas said.
Chi then pulled out a handgun and told the employees to get back inside the store, Riojas said. As the three employees tried to escape, running in different directions, Chi shot Paliotta in the back. Then he found Riojas in the storeroom and shot him.
Chi couldn’t find the third employee, a woman, and left in a getaway car driven by Hugo Alejandro Sierra, who is serving a life sentence for his role in the killing.
At first, Riojas said he felt hot. He pulled off his blood-covered jacket and thought, “I don’t feel anything, how could I be shot?” He took off his shirt, touched the bullet wound and then ran to the phone to call 911. An operator was on the line; the female employee had already dialed.
The SCOTUS is refusing to hear the case, but through his lawyers, they are attempting to make an international incident out of this! How is that you ask?
Did I mention that Chi is a Honduran national ?
Jay: “This is the avenue to do away with all death sentences. It opens up a big can of worms, especially if it is successful. Is it time to go back to the firing squads?”
This won’t end the executions, but it will put them off for the short term.
If Texas has a problem with executing foreign nationals, they can ship them across the state line to AZ. We don’t have a problem with it at all. Ask the two German nationals who murdered two armored car guards by putting them into canvas bags and dumping them bound and gagged into a lake. The German government bitched and whined but Hans and Franz still got the needle in the arm. Personally, I’m in favor of bringing back “Death by Hanging”. It’s relatively quick, relatively painless, and done properly the rope is reusable. There is a difference between “death by hanging” and “Hang by the neck until dead”. One results in the convict’s neck snapping and killing him almost instantly. The other has the convict hang there and slowly suffocate. That has taken as much as 19 minutes depending on the circumference of the convict’s neck. Of course if you have too much of a drop, the rope can snap the convict’s head completely off. While that is gruesome, it is pretty much proof positive that the individual is dead. For a quick death with little expense, a small caliber handgun fired into the skull from behind at the top of the spine would be the quickest, most humane and economical means of doing it. By severing the Modula Oblingata (sp?) or brain stem, all central nervous system functions would cease immediately. The convict would be dead before he hit the floor. There is a reason why that is the preferred target area when dealing with an armed hostile. Especially in a hostage scenario. The hostile doesn’t even twitch.
These days, with the forensics and DNA analysis, the chances of an innocent person being executed are approaching zero. There are simply no remaining arguments against the DP.
Yet we still have these stupid Liberal games going on. How many times does the SC have to rule that it is Constitutional? How many times do voters have to approve it?
This is just another front in the Leftist war on traditional America.
1,2, Does Utah still have the civilian firing squad as an option for termination of a miscreant sentenced to death?
What the libs quickly lose sight of is that people convicted of a death penalty usually KILLED SOMEBODY. They gave the victim no appeal, no choice.
“Bryan linked to the crime committed by Armand Paliotta. Armand is at the center of the latest attempt to take the death penalty off the books, as he is suing on the basis that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment”
Huh?
From what I read in the linked article, Armand Paliotta was the victim and not the offender…
Or am I getting sth. wrong?
I corrected it, thanks!
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1 “The German government bitched and whined but Hans and Franz still got the needle in the arm.”
As any other western government, mine tries to have its criminal citizens judged by its own laws and (in the best) case in its own courts. How many pathetic movies have I seen with Americans and Europeans being imprisoned in Turkey, Thailand, etc or trying to get their children back from their former foreign husband abroad.
I think, trying to punish your country’s scum your own way or trying to get assumed “own” justice on your citizens is not such an exotic thing to ask for…
If a crime is commiteed in a country by a foreign natitional, said country has a soveriegn right to apply their laws and due process towards that person. The law broken was theirs and was in their territory.
If not, then our Constitutional rights do not apply towards said foriegn nationals, as a point of consistancy.
6, if German citizens come to this country and kill, they deserve the death penalty. I only hope they get it in Utah. I’d volunteer for the firing squad and be sure to show them the Mauser rifle I’d be shooting them with.
“There are simply no remaining arguments against the DP”
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Ha! You wish.
The DP is disgusting, barbaric, cruel and inhumane – for starters.
Really though, it’s only a matter of time before it’s outlawed here in the US – I’d give it another 10 years or so before it’s gone.
Just about every other advanced/modern nation has abolished this stain on humanity…
…except China, North Korea, Iran and – The United States.
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Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord.
PS…what happened to your Conservative Court?
LOL…not what you people expected, huh?
Just wait til President Clinton (44) appoints new liberal justices with a congresional majority standing behind her.
You guys are fucked.
9,10, SFL, stop posting after visiting your neighborhood canibis buying club.
Hillary will NEVER be President. A different donkey, but never Hillary.
Eating my comments again
I cut and pasted the exact same comment, and it says there is a duplicate comment detected
I altered the comment, addingb “tes, Test” at the end and it still ate it.
“Just wait til President Clinton (44) appoints new liberal justices with a congresional majority standing behind her.”
What conservative Justice do you see retiring during a four year Clinton Presideny? Roberts, Thomas and Alito are all too young. Scalia would turn 75-76, but would die before leaving. That leaves Kennedy, who is considered the swing vote in the SCOTUS. He is the same age as Scalia. That is the only way you would gain ground.
That said, with Reid predicted to lose thee Reopublicans would have enough to indefinately filibuster, similar to what the Democrats did to Bush.
I cut it in half- this is the second part that posted in 15. Must be something in the first part.
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The harder I look at it, the more I think SFL is right- that Hillary has a good chance to be the next President.
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That maybe a good thing though.
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Hillary is Jimmy Carter in a pants suit but a bit more bitchy.
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But during the Carter years, we found a light at the end of the tunnel- Ronald Reagan.
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Perhaps that suffering it would give us the same result.
Seems there is a glitch somewhere in the software. Every now and then my posts don’t appear. Seems quite random.
It is frustrating; I spend 4 or 5 hours doing research, formulating an opinion, then write a literary masterpiece of a post—only to have it go in and not appear..:((
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Peezj,
I can send you senetence #4 if you like, which seem to be causing the error.
Then instead of having a carefully-researched, thoroughly-documented essay building the foundation, presenting the premise, and reaching a conclusion, I type “The DemokRats are the lowest scum in the political slime pool” and hit the ‘Submit Comment” button.
I’ve narrowed it down to a single word, I think
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After dehabiliting the economy with high taxes and social programs (amounting to communism light) America would hit bottom like an alcoholic.
Yep- it is a single word. I replaced it with “Communism light” and also tried posting the word by itself.
10- The SCOTUS isn’t involved…this is Texas. Scotus refused to hear the case.
Ted-
I checked and your comments weren’t suspended for my approval, therefore, as Robert said, they got caught in a glitch somehow. Sometimes when it happens, they get thrown into moderation que, and I can approve them..that doesn’t happen as often as they get eaten up!
It happens to me too! :-w
I’m sorry for the trouble.
No trouble- I was just trying to help you discover the specific error.
social-ism was the word if you were wondering.
Thanks for that:)
Ted, I’m folloing what you’re saying.
This place eats comments sometimes. I think we’ve all been through it…
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To answer your question regarding the supreme court make-up under a Clinton (44) presidency, you’re right; the right-wing of the court is youngish.
But with a solid democratic executive and congressional majority, the current balance can be maintained, or even expanded with an unfortunate and/or untimely loss of the current swing vote.
That is to say, there won’t be any conservative justices getting on the court for the next presidental term or two.
And from my side of things, that’s good for labor, that’s good for reining in corporate abuses, and it’s good for civil rights…to name a few.
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PCD…just watch, man.
H.Clinton is unstopable.
I wish Obama would get it, but I don’t think that’s possible now.
The Christian Right – you’re strongest card in your hand – just won’t come out for Guiliani.
Like Ted said, it might take another Clinton presidency before you see the rise of a strong Conservative Movement – rebuilt from the ashes of the current one.
8- Peejz,
I guess the circumstance that you don’t censor any longer PCD’s term of my person as “German piece of crap” (as you did [censoring] earlier on), officially allows me to talk of PCD as “American piece of crap”…
Right? Or is American freedom of speech only applied to Americans?
“I only hope they get it in Utah.”
This finally explains a lot, PCD!!! Or is “PCD” the pseudonym for Warren Jeff? Aren’t you busy enough torturing some of your various underaged wifes- do you have to bother me too? :d
As there is such a broad support in this forum for the death penalty (Surprise! 8-| ), I wonder if you would also support that kind of punishment for the scum that slaughtered the 14yo girl and its family in Iraq and the filthy Blackwater junk that went beserk in Iraq…
I mean, the message is “an eye for an eye”, right? It does not make any difference of the nationality… or does it?
34- That Blackwater employee has not been tried for a crime, let alone sentenced to death. It really isn’t a good example to use Matthias.
But if I am convicted of a crime in Germany, I am on my own. I am not under U.S. law as soon as I leave this country.
35- I think, it is a whole “platoon” (or whatever they call it at a private army) that shot several innocent civilians in the current case…
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely approve people being convicted under the laws of the country that they visit. If I was such an idiot to smuggle drugs in East-Asia, I’d have to take the risk of whatever they do with me…
…in Utah, I’d probably get crucified… or burned at the stake… =))
36- Yes you think it is, just as people thought those Marines were guilty of the haditha incident…look how that turned out.
As I said, the Blackwater case or any military case is not a good example to use.
Why would you be crucified in Utah?
37- “Why would you be crucified in Utah?”
Ask PCD…
He’d give you a million reasons.
38, Because Islamofascist friends would love to use him as a faked incident of American injustice. They’d crucify him and try to say the Americans did it.
32, SFL, Aren’t you scared that John Ashcroft won’t come out from under your bed and take you to Hell, MI?
You are so pervertedly blind. Just watch Bill and Hillary go to jail for financial crimes and lying about them. Remember both Libby and Martha Stewart. The die is cast and they are next.
There is one thing that no liberal wants to admit and that is that people who are executed never commit another crime. There is also the deterrent effect of people knowing that if their loose cannon friend kills someone during a crime, the only way that they avoid being executed is to come forward as soon as possible. We have one recidivist scum who was out of prison for less than 15 months after a 13 yr stretch who was just convicted of two rapes, and is awaiting trial on a number of other crimes including 8 or 9 murders. He was out on parole 7 years early despite kidnapping, repeatedly raping, and then beating an ex-girlfriend so badly with a shotgun that she sustained permanent brain damage. Considering the brutality of his initial offense, is there any reason why this man should’ve been allowed to breath again as a free man? There are dozens of Arizonans who have to ask what the state of California was thinking when they paroled him. I’m certain they ask that question whenever they visit the graves of their murdered friends and family members, or flinch in fear at the thought of walking out their front door, or into a parking lot at night.
If you haven’t guessed, I don’t really give a rodent’s backside about the health and welfare of convicted violent offenders, especially repeat offenders. A short rope and a long drop is a quick, economical, and permanent solution to whatever supposed mental issues that may ail them. All of their whining and pschological mumbo jumbo are nothing more than an excuses to try and gain approval for inexcusable behavior.
41,41 – FAO,
according to the case of this thread (Armand Paliotta & Heliberto Chi) it sounds like Chi was taking revenge for having been fired from that store. So regarding the main argument of death row supporters, there are such “bad” actions for which the committer deserves to be killed. I don’t get rid of the impression, that some twisted thought in Chi’s head went the same way…
“people who are executed never commit another crime”
The innocently executed won’t either…
“We have one recidivist scum who was out of prison for less than 15 months after a 13 yr stretch who was just convicted of two rapes, and is awaiting trial on a number of other crimes including 8 or 9 murders….Considering the brutality of his initial offense, is there any reason why this man should’ve been allowed to breath again as a free man?”
So exactly at which point would you execute him? Is it the very first time when he was ripping off legs from flies as a little child.. when he whacked the first time a girlfriend… when he did the abuses you wrote about like maybe a thousand other violent idiots that don’t become serial killers afterwards?
42- ” A short rope and a long drop is a quick”
Actually you need a LONG rope to get a long drop. Otherwise the victim suffocates under the most horrible circumstances…
43- What is it that you are asking saying because your babbling is enen more ignorant than usual. To read what you say, he had the right to kill because he was fired..he did it in a death penalty state..if he wanted to kill and live, he should have gone elsewhere..As it is, he brought this upon himself. He was convicted of a capital offense.
Capital Punishment is a stain on our national honor.
Who else executes prisoners like we do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#The_death_penalty_worldwide
Oh, some of Africa, most of the Middle East, and South-Eastern Asia.
SHAME.
Look at the company we keep on this barbaric issue.
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Most Executions carried out in 2006:
1. China (at least 1,010 but sources suggest the real tally is between 7,500 and 8,000)
2. Iran (177)
3. Pakistan (82)
4. Iraq (at least 65)
5. Sudan (at least 65)
6. United States (53)
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How does this make America better? How does keeping company with these lowly countries elevate our nation?
We are BETTER THAN THIS.
We can DO better.
We are advanced enough as a people and wealthy enough as a country to not resort to murder and simple revenge with our captive prisoners.
As far as the Blackwater case in Iraq is concerned, there is simply only one way to view this case: The Blackwater people are in an extremely dangerous and difficult environment. Mistakes can and will be made; decisions have to be made in split-second and cannot always be perfect. This is the same situations that LE officers face, but Blackwater faces it every day rather than a few times in a career.
Instead the Liberal MSM and Democrite asswipes want to put on their Monday Morning quarterback hats, assume their 20/20 hindsight, and judge people who have faced situations the judgers don’t even understand.
So STFU already about the Blackwater incident, MSM, Democrites, Leftists and others who only want use this as yet another incident to manipulate for political advantage.
There are no more valid arguments left against the Death Penalty. Cut and Dried. The only valid objection can be on personal emotional grounds, ie you just don’t like it. Well, the majority do, 2:1. So case closed, game over.
No, actually there are PLENTY of valid arguments.