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		<title>By: VeteransAffairs</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-732976</link>
		<dc:creator>VeteransAffairs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is another outrageous story from Riverside National Cemetery.

I am including two links to newspaper articles that all veterans and their families should read. Although this is about RNC the story could national consequences.

Here is the gist of the story: Sharon Hunt&#039;s father died in Oct 2006 and was cremated and interred at RNC. He was a retired Lt Colonel in the Air Force and highly decorated.

Her mother passed away in 2007 on exactly the same day as her father and almost to the hour. The plan was for the mother to be created and interred next to her father.

When 50 family members and friends showed for the funeral Gil Gallo the Direcotr at Riverside National Cemetery refused to accept the urn for burial.

Gallo or any of his management would speak to the family. How insensitive can a Cemetery Director be?

That was a year ago and the family are still waiting for a return phone or answer to emails and letters. Nothing from Gallo.

Mrs. Hunt did her own research and found out the reason for refusal is that the urn contained less than 100% of the remains. Hunt had divided her remains into keepsake urns for family members. Some of the ashes were spread at a family cemetery in Texas at the request of the decease.

On the day of the funeral Gil Gallo had decided to change his policy and enforce it at that very moment. 

The policy of not accepting anything less that 100% of the remains was to stop people being buried in multiple national cemeteries. How absurd! That&#039;s what databases are for.

Even publicity Gallo has not contacted the family to explain his decision or apologise for the grief he has caused.

A year later Mrs Hunt&#039;s mother still remains unburied and separated from her husband of almost 60 years.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_10922389

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_ashes08.38a6ac9.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another outrageous story from Riverside National Cemetery.</p>
<p>I am including two links to newspaper articles that all veterans and their families should read. Although this is about RNC the story could national consequences.</p>
<p>Here is the gist of the story: Sharon Hunt&#8217;s father died in Oct 2006 and was cremated and interred at RNC. He was a retired Lt Colonel in the Air Force and highly decorated.</p>
<p>Her mother passed away in 2007 on exactly the same day as her father and almost to the hour. The plan was for the mother to be created and interred next to her father.</p>
<p>When 50 family members and friends showed for the funeral Gil Gallo the Direcotr at Riverside National Cemetery refused to accept the urn for burial.</p>
<p>Gallo or any of his management would speak to the family. How insensitive can a Cemetery Director be?</p>
<p>That was a year ago and the family are still waiting for a return phone or answer to emails and letters. Nothing from Gallo.</p>
<p>Mrs. Hunt did her own research and found out the reason for refusal is that the urn contained less than 100% of the remains. Hunt had divided her remains into keepsake urns for family members. Some of the ashes were spread at a family cemetery in Texas at the request of the decease.</p>
<p>On the day of the funeral Gil Gallo had decided to change his policy and enforce it at that very moment. </p>
<p>The policy of not accepting anything less that 100% of the remains was to stop people being buried in multiple national cemeteries. How absurd! That&#8217;s what databases are for.</p>
<p>Even publicity Gallo has not contacted the family to explain his decision or apologise for the grief he has caused.</p>
<p>A year later Mrs Hunt&#8217;s mother still remains unburied and separated from her husband of almost 60 years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_10922389" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_10922389</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_ashes08.38a6ac9.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_ashes08.38a6ac9.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-666819</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen John =d&gt;**==</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen John <img src='http://rightvoices.com/smilies/yahoo_clap.gif' alt='&#61;&#100;&#62;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#61;&#100;&#62;' /><img src='http://rightvoices.com/smilies/yahoo_flag.gif' alt='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' class='wp-smiley' width='25' height='18' title='&#42;&#42;&#61;&#61;' /></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-666780</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The burrial of a soldier is a private matter.  It is between him and his family, but mostly his.  Tradition, the tradition of a soldier is as much part of the fallen soldier&#039;s life as the creed he lived by.  &quot;Duty, Honor, Country&quot;.  To us who fought, we took a sacred oath to defend this country, not just in battle.  The oath did not expire when we hung our uniform in the closit.  Now we must defend the rights of our fallen commrads against those who always found a selfish excuse not to committ to anything but themselves.  If we can&#039;t take this back for our dead, what have left?  It&#039;s his choice in death. Government, BUT OUT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The burrial of a soldier is a private matter.  It is between him and his family, but mostly his.  Tradition, the tradition of a soldier is as much part of the fallen soldier&#8217;s life as the creed he lived by.  &#8220;Duty, Honor, Country&#8221;.  To us who fought, we took a sacred oath to defend this country, not just in battle.  The oath did not expire when we hung our uniform in the closit.  Now we must defend the rights of our fallen commrads against those who always found a selfish excuse not to committ to anything but themselves.  If we can&#8217;t take this back for our dead, what have left?  It&#8217;s his choice in death. Government, BUT OUT!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Bowman</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-666500</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Bowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know the name of the whiner.  Does anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know the name of the whiner.  Does anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-666457</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me go really slow for you Mammato4boys:

1 person(whiner) complained, therefore all were stripped of the religious portion of the service.  No one said that a family member complained, as we are intelligent enough to know that the family decides how the service is to be performed.  What we said is that a family member should have the option of religion in the ceremony.

It appears that everyone agrees on that...everyone gets that, except you.

I am not quite sure why you keep bringing up the pagan aspect as it has nothing to do with the discussion.  Are you trying to say that a pagan should have the same option as a Christian?  I would agree.  Are you not capable of saying that?    

This is nothing but a whiner that wanted their beliefs to be the only voice heard.  It doesn&#039;t look like it will last though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me go really slow for you Mammato4boys:</p>
<p>1 person(whiner) complained, therefore all were stripped of the religious portion of the service.  No one said that a family member complained, as we are intelligent enough to know that the family decides how the service is to be performed.  What we said is that a family member should have the option of religion in the ceremony.</p>
<p>It appears that everyone agrees on that&#8230;everyone gets that, except you.</p>
<p>I am not quite sure why you keep bringing up the pagan aspect as it has nothing to do with the discussion.  Are you trying to say that a pagan should have the same option as a Christian?  I would agree.  Are you not capable of saying that?    </p>
<p>This is nothing but a whiner that wanted their beliefs to be the only voice heard.  It doesn&#8217;t look like it will last though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mammato4boys</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-666452</link>
		<dc:creator>Mammato4boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I agree. That is an insane argument. 

As I have said all along, the details are needed. The information as to WHO and WHY made the complaint are very much needed. Sorry you miss that very important part. See, you can&#039;t call a pagan service member family whiners simply because they choose not to hear of other gods at their service. See the difference? 

It turns out it wasn&#039;t a family member who complained at all so really at this point it&#039;s non related to this specific story. However, it would make a difference when being called a whiner. Get it yet? I bet you would if you were Christian at your family member&#039;s service and had to listen about a pagan god. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I agree. That is an insane argument. </p>
<p>As I have said all along, the details are needed. The information as to WHO and WHY made the complaint are very much needed. Sorry you miss that very important part. See, you can&#8217;t call a pagan service member family whiners simply because they choose not to hear of other gods at their service. See the difference? </p>
<p>It turns out it wasn&#8217;t a family member who complained at all so really at this point it&#8217;s non related to this specific story. However, it would make a difference when being called a whiner. Get it yet? I bet you would if you were Christian at your family member&#8217;s service and had to listen about a pagan god. <img src='http://rightvoices.com/smilies/yahoo_wink.gif' alt='&#59;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#59;&#41;' /></p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-666248</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mammato4boys-

I am the one that wrote the above post and chose who to link to, so yes, I too was calling the person a whiner.

Was your link supposed to change something?  Here is the money quote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Phil Budahn, a spokesman for the VA in Washington, said the agency received an objection to the script&#039;s religious references after it was used during a funeral at Riverside National Cemetery in California.

&quot;It seemed inappropriate for federal employees to be the ones who actually read it,&quot;Budahn said, so the VA sent word last month to cemetery directors warning them against doing so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So because the vet was religious, they should chose between a military funeral, which is their right, to be conducted by the military (gov&#039;t paid employees), or a burial in a cemetary near home so that they can have religion involved.  Good luck with that insane arguement!


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mammato4boys-</p>
<p>I am the one that wrote the above post and chose who to link to, so yes, I too was calling the person a whiner.</p>
<p>Was your link supposed to change something?  Here is the money quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Phil Budahn, a spokesman for the VA in Washington, said the agency received an objection to the script&#8217;s religious references after it was used during a funeral at Riverside National Cemetery in California.</p>
<p>&#8220;It seemed inappropriate for federal employees to be the ones who actually read it,&#8221;Budahn said, so the VA sent word last month to cemetery directors warning them against doing so.</p></blockquote>
<p>So because the vet was religious, they should chose between a military funeral, which is their right, to be conducted by the military (gov&#8217;t paid employees), or a burial in a cemetary near home so that they can have religion involved.  Good luck with that insane arguement!</p>
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		<title>By: Mammato4boys</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-666229</link>
		<dc:creator>Mammato4boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Pam, first and foremost I wasn&#039;t addressing you as you made no mention of anyone being &quot;whiney&quot;. But thanks for yourinterest in my comment. ;)

I did find an article which actually does have the specific details as to WHO complained and WHY if anyone is interested. http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=135627&amp;ran=112444</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Pam, first and foremost I wasn&#8217;t addressing you as you made no mention of anyone being &#8220;whiney&#8221;. But thanks for yourinterest in my comment. <img src='http://rightvoices.com/smilies/yahoo_wink.gif' alt='&#59;&#41;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#59;&#41;' /></p>
<p>I did find an article which actually does have the specific details as to WHO complained and WHY if anyone is interested. <a href="http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=135627&amp;ran=112444" rel="nofollow">http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=135627&amp;ran=112444</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-664414</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mammato4boys- Where did I get my info? from thenews source cited.  One person whined and so all were punished because of it.  Did you miss the comments where people said that it should be the families choice?  And as far as I know, a family can already let the appropriate officials know if the flag folding recitation is offense to their beliefs.

Why don&#039;t you practice reading prior to posting.  Do research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mammato4boys- Where did I get my info? from thenews source cited.  One person whined and so all were punished because of it.  Did you miss the comments where people said that it should be the families choice?  And as far as I know, a family can already let the appropriate officials know if the flag folding recitation is offense to their beliefs.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you practice reading prior to posting.  Do research.</p>
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		<title>By: Mammato4boys</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2007/10/27/flag-folding-recitations-now-banned-at-national-cemeteries/comment-page-1/#comment-664395</link>
		<dc:creator>Mammato4boys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute... 
Where is everyone getting the information saying WHO complained and WHY? It seems some of you have it or you wouldn&#039;t be able to label it as a &quot;whiney&quot; comment. Please share the knowledge as I would love to know. 

Now, for my opinion of the issue. If this was a complaint from a non-Christian or non-Jewish service member family that didn&#039;t want someone else&#039;s God entering their most private of moments, then some change IS justified. 
(In my opinion some common sense should have prevailed. It would have been very simple to re-write numbers 11 and 12 to fit anyone&#039;s personal preference.)

And before you all jump me, think of this. 
What if the lines spoke of Pagan gods? How many Christians do you know who would have liked that at their loved one&#039;s funeral. It shouldn&#039;t be a choice between flag folding with Christian beliefs or no flag folding whatsoever. 

Freedom of religion applies to all, not only the popular religions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute&#8230;<br />
Where is everyone getting the information saying WHO complained and WHY? It seems some of you have it or you wouldn&#8217;t be able to label it as a &#8220;whiney&#8221; comment. Please share the knowledge as I would love to know. </p>
<p>Now, for my opinion of the issue. If this was a complaint from a non-Christian or non-Jewish service member family that didn&#8217;t want someone else&#8217;s God entering their most private of moments, then some change IS justified.<br />
(In my opinion some common sense should have prevailed. It would have been very simple to re-write numbers 11 and 12 to fit anyone&#8217;s personal preference.)</p>
<p>And before you all jump me, think of this.<br />
What if the lines spoke of Pagan gods? How many Christians do you know who would have liked that at their loved one&#8217;s funeral. It shouldn&#8217;t be a choice between flag folding with Christian beliefs or no flag folding whatsoever. </p>
<p>Freedom of religion applies to all, not only the popular religions.</p>
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