Comments on: “The “Petraeus Curve” has exposed defeatists in Britain and the US, and as a result, no one wants to talk about the obvious and significant progress being made in Iraq. “ http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/ in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:05:09 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-669241 TedintheShed Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:32:26 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-669241 "The summer months during the strategy change saw the biggest peaks." Key words here being "during the strategy change". The strategy was not in place and fully implemented. Robert is correct in his assertion regarding the short term effect and that things getting better. “The summer months during the strategy change saw the biggest peaks.”

Key words here being “during the strategy change”. The strategy was not in place and fully implemented.

Robert is correct in his assertion regarding the short term effect and that things getting better.

]]> By: Robert http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-669050 Robert Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:13:54 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-669050 "Thankfully, the last two months have been better for our troops than previous months." Fine, thanks to see you admitting what everyone else already knows. “Thankfully, the last two months have been better for our troops than previous months.”

Fine, thanks to see you admitting what everyone else already knows.

]]> By: San Francisco Liberal http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-669039 San Francisco Liberal Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:01:37 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-669039 More... http://icasualties.org/oif/Cumulative.aspx More…

http://icasualties.org/oif/Cumulative.aspx

]]> By: San Francisco Liberal http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-669036 San Francisco Liberal Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:59:41 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-669036 Here's a link... Look at the graph. The summer months during the strategy change saw the biggest peaks. Thankfully, the last two months have been better for our troops than previous months. As a side note, look at the graph as a whole. You can see there is a gradual buildup of casualties from 2003 to the present. http://icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx ---- The whole point of me saying what I said and then posting this was only to counter Roberts assertations in #2 and #4 that said things are getting better. As the data shows, 2007 is so far the worst year and that overall casualties are increasing. Not good. Here’s a link…

Look at the graph. The summer months during the strategy change saw the biggest peaks. Thankfully, the last two months have been better for our troops than previous months.

As a side note, look at the graph as a whole. You can see there is a gradual buildup of casualties from 2003 to the present.

http://icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx

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The whole point of me saying what I said and then posting this was only to counter Roberts assertations in #2 and #4 that said things are getting better.

As the data shows, 2007 is so far the worst year and that overall casualties are increasing.

Not good.

]]> By: Robert http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-668944 Robert Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:08:33 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-668944 Ted, ok, fair enough but again I was talking about the numbers since the Petraeus strategy was implemented. That quote was from SFL. It is asinine, and wrong as evidenced by the data. Ted, ok, fair enough but again I was talking about the numbers since the Petraeus strategy was implemented.

That quote was from SFL. It is asinine, and wrong as evidenced by the data.

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-668895 TedintheShed Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:51:22 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-668895 9. Robert- There is nothing wrong at all with being passionate about your country, but you can not let your passion stand in the way of facts. When that happens, passion distorts the facts and transmutes them into half truths and sometimes even lies. That serves no one. You have every right to be optimistic about Petraeus strategy in Iraq becasue so far it seems to be working. However, before you can delcare it a done deal you should wait and see what happens over 2008. Besides the troop casualulty rate here is not the issue, because as far as conflicts go the rate isn't really that bad. The issue is quelling the violence and providing security so that a politcal solution my be allowed to set forth. "The change in tactics brought higher troop death and injury, as we got their asses off the remote bases and into city blocks." Do you have any proof of these assertions? 9.

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There is nothing wrong at all with being passionate about your country, but you can not let your passion stand in the way of facts. When that happens, passion distorts the facts and transmutes them into half truths and sometimes even lies. That serves no one.

You have every right to be optimistic about Petraeus strategy in Iraq becasue so far it seems to be working. However, before you can delcare it a done deal you should wait and see what happens over 2008.

Besides the troop casualulty rate here is not the issue, because as far as conflicts go the rate isn’t really that bad. The issue is quelling the violence and providing security so that a politcal solution my be allowed to set forth.

“The change in tactics brought higher troop death and injury, as we got their asses off the remote bases and into city blocks.”

Do you have any proof of these assertions?

]]> By: Robert http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-668875 Robert Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:45:57 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-668875 "The change in tactics brought higher troop death and injury, as we got their asses off the remote bases and into city blocks." 100% WRONG. “The change in tactics brought higher troop death and injury, as we got their asses off the remote bases and into city blocks.”

100% WRONG.

]]> By: Robert http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-668872 Robert Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:44:40 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-668872 And maybe one day I'll get just as passionate about proofreading and spell checking...:) <:-p And maybe one day I’ll get just as passionate about proofreading and spell checking…:) <:-p

]]> By: Robert http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-668871 Robert Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:43:14 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-668871 Well excuse me for being passionate about this Nation and it's future. I guess I can also say I have done my part for it with 18 years combined service in the Army National Guard (Infantry, enlisted) and the U.S. Army Reserve (Officer). I also have over 7000 hours of volunteer work in Law Enforcement over the last 20 years putting my life on the line and serving my community. I don't mean this as an insult to you ted; i think I know where you are coming from and I don't know who you are or what you have done with your life. I am simply explaining my bcakground and reason for being passionate about my beliefs. I cannot stand seeing degenerate, selfish, scumbag politicians of any stripe destroying what so many have paid for with blood. And by my reckoning the modern Democrite party and it's less than wortheless leadership and the maggots who support them are the rost of the sordid lot and at this point are as great a danger to the nation I love as the terorists are. Well excuse me for being passionate about this Nation and it’s future. I guess I can also say I have done my part for it with 18 years combined service in the Army National Guard (Infantry, enlisted) and the U.S. Army Reserve (Officer). I also have over 7000 hours of volunteer work in Law Enforcement over the last 20 years putting my life on the line and serving my community.

I don’t mean this as an insult to you ted; i think I know where you are coming from and I don’t know who you are or what you have done with your life.

I am simply explaining my bcakground and reason for being passionate about my beliefs.

I cannot stand seeing degenerate, selfish, scumbag politicians of any stripe destroying what so many have paid for with blood. And by my reckoning the modern Democrite party and it’s less than wortheless leadership and the maggots who support them are the rost of the sordid lot and at this point are as great a danger to the nation I love as the terorists are.

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-668781 TedintheShed Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:20:45 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/11/03/the-petraeus-curve-has-exposed-defeatists-in-britain-and-the-us-and-as-a-result-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-the-obvious-and-significant-progress-being-made-in-iraq/#comment-668781 You are both right and wrong. It is true that looking at things long term, casualties are up over any other year in 2007. This is this where SFL is coorect. It is also true that since "The Patraeus Curve" began, it appears that causalities are down over the short term and this strategy may be working. This is where Robert is correct. We do not know with any certainty if this strategy is, as it has not been tested ove the long term. Using this as an indicator, one can not make any supposition over the future long term though. At this point, we will have to see if the trend coninues over the long term. This is where you are both wrong. One can not ignore the short term nor long term trends in favor of what ever view you hold. It is not being completely truthful to the situation. Have you guys ever really looked at the stridency in which you examine and express yourselves? You make Conservatives and Liberals look like cymbal clanging carnival monkeys. You are both right and wrong.

It is true that looking at things long term, casualties are up over any other year in 2007. This is this where SFL is coorect.

It is also true that since “The Patraeus Curve” began, it appears that causalities are down over the short term and this strategy may be working. This is where Robert is correct.

We do not know with any certainty if this strategy is, as it has not been tested ove the long term. Using this as an indicator, one can not make any supposition over the future long term though. At this point, we will have to see if the trend coninues over the long term. This is where you are both wrong. One can not ignore the short term nor long term trends in favor of what ever view you hold. It is not being completely truthful to the situation.

Have you guys ever really looked at the stridency in which you examine and express yourselves? You make Conservatives and Liberals look like cymbal clanging carnival monkeys.

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