Noel has a most newsworthy post surrounding an editorial in The New York Time’s….
Yes, Noel…I too had to check that source of yours about three times to make sure you weren’t pulling my leg! 
RobertWell this news certainly calls for huge bonuses for the management! Afer all, they are politically-connected...
Fred Dawesthis is what happens when you have a PC Army how sad but will become normal place in the coming years of...
Fred DawesLooks like the real civil war is about to start 12 to 20 killed at ft.hood and the FBI Said its not mulsims...
Former Army OfficerGee let’s use some common sense here (A rarity in DC I’m sure.) If you’re a top...
Former Army OfficerSince San Fran Nan closed the press conference, who did someone from the opposition get in with a...
Former Army OfficerThere won’t be any working poor to live off of if this and the crap and tax bill passes. The...
Former Army OfficerBush may have pushed for laws to allow them to come here, BUT this guy came during the CLINTON...
Former Army OfficerNow if the fact that the voters in Maine are actually somewhat conservative would soak in to their...
RobertHa ha ha! WHAT a pathetic douchebag! He just makes up his own criteria, which by definition then makes his...
PamDid you say spin Robert? Look for my Next post..he can spin!
RobertWell maybe Olbermann is cloistered away preparing a magnificent way to spin all of this into a crowning victory...
PamIn order to soak the rich properly and by properly, I mean soak them so everything is paid for, the tax rate would...
PamI believe the network news applied the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Policy on this story
libbie basherBeing that this filthy bag of dog sh#t is a Muslim, and not a Christian, will anyone be surprised if...
Fred DawesThe end of a nation has come the end of freedom and laws and the ideals of duty not just to a nation state...
Fred DawesIf you go back to 2004 bush helped to get laws that would allow millions of muslims to come here. Thank you...
Fred DawesOne word, Yes!
RobertIf this is so wonderful and necessary, and Pelosi and other demagogues want so much to tax the rich, I hereby...
StoutcatThanks for linking. The commenter raises a very good question here. Patrick at The Moderate Voice puts it a...
Fred Dawes(who can possibly read a 1,990 page law) the lawyers who work for the big boys who will make billions on...
January 1, 2008 - 11:52 AM on January 1st, 2008
It is amazing that the bird cage liner actually published Tierney’s article. But it first appeared/originated at Newsbusters. So actually, if you want timely, useful, accurate stories, it points to Newsbusters as a better source than the NYT.
January 1, 2008 - 01:05 PM on January 1st, 2008
You have been saying everything they have Robert..don’t discount that..
January 1, 2008 - 01:46 PM on January 1st, 2008
Thanks for the compliment. I have been saying this since the very beginning, when the alarmists began to raise their hue and cry.
And like so many other issues, you didn’t have to be a scientist, didn’t have to be an expert, to see the red flags and signs of fraud. All one had to do was use common sense and logic.
When the fraudsters started claiming that CO2 emission from human activity was causing GW, all you I had to do was go to the NASA website and read about the various greenhouse gases and look at how effective they are and what their percentages are. And you find very quickly that CO2 is a very minor player, dwarfed by naturally-occurring water vapor, ~100 times as effective a greenhouse gas as CO2 for example. I recall posting the NASA website link and the information which poster AKD (Another Kool Aid Drinker)at the time totally ignored
Then you note that in fact the Scientists don’t agree, and it turns out the vast majority of those who claim humans are causing GW are depending on research money. BINGO!
Al “Ozone hole (another fraud)” Gore was late to the party, but definitely popularized the fraud like no other. His huge profiting since his movie came out and his Carbon Offsets scam business should have been enough to tip off even the slowest observer. His absurd Nobel Peace Prize is yet another stain on the once-great award, now reduced to political correctness and nonsense.
January 1, 2008 - 09:31 PM on January 1st, 2008
The NEW YORK SLIMES has lied many times i mean they have lied about melting ice caps in alaska and faked the truth when it comes to birdcage linner even a vulture would,nt want this dirty rag on the bottom of his cage
January 1, 2008 - 09:31 PM on January 1st, 2008
The NEW YORK SLIMES has lied many times i mean they have lied about melting ice caps in alaska and faked the truth when it comes to birdcage liner even a vulture would,nt want this dirty rag on the bottom of his cage
January 2, 2008 - 07:05 AM on January 2nd, 2008
Robert. I never doubted for a moment that global warming was a fraud. I’m not a scientist but this world is just too big for humans alone to cause such damage. What does concern me is the scams such as gore conjure up, taking peoples hard earned money to buy a few trees. The fact that he was given what should be a prestigious award only magnifies the injustice. Oh when will we learn!
January 2, 2008 - 12:47 PM on January 2nd, 2008
BonBon you could see it for what it was because you have common sense and you use logic. You are able to take what is put out in the media and culture and compare it to other sources and make your own determination.
Sadly, too many these days (and perhaps the majority) have lost the ability to do that. Whether it is the dumbing down in the Gov’t schools, intellectual laziness, or whatever, “common sense” is no longer common.
January 2, 2008 - 06:35 PM on January 2nd, 2008
Robert, the lack of common sense is not new. Ben Franklin lamented in (I believe) Poor Richard’s Almanac that the “real pity of common sense is that so people have it.”
January 2, 2008 - 06:56 PM on January 2nd, 2008
“I’m not a scientist but this world is just too big for humans alone to cause such damage.”
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You guys just don’t get it.
I understand that, and accept that and love you guys anyway.
But seriously, the number of people who, quite ignorantly, think that Global Warming is a hoax is getting smaller and smaller with each passing year.
I wouldn’t try to talk you out of your ignorance, but you have to at least accept that its only going to get harder for you people to get your “message” out as time goes on and this gets bigger, right?
January 2, 2008 - 11:38 PM on January 2nd, 2008
SFL, once again, and can this kindly be the last time??? There are two issues: 1. Global Warming, and 2. What is the cause of it?
1. We appear to be in a current warming cycle.
2. That humans are causing it is a fraud, a hoax, a scam. THAT is what we are talking about. Do you understand, finally?
And BTW, as time goes on, “the humans are causing GW” argument is looking like Swiss Cheese. The evidence that it is bullshit is mounting. Al Gore’s movie was OFFICIALLY debunked in the U.K. More and more people are waking up. If you believe it, is you who is on the losing side. And if you can’t spot it for the fraud it is, then you have a serious logical and common sense impairment.
January 3, 2008 - 01:08 AM on January 3rd, 2008
If humans are causing Global Warming, how did the Bronze age man found buried under a glacier in the Otzi pass through the Austrian Alps get under the glacier? The only LOGICAL answer is that the glacier formed OVER TOP of his dead body. For that to happen, the planet had to COOL dramatically (mammoths have been found frozen in glaciers with their last meals still in their mouths) AFTER man had reached the Bronze age level of development. Likewise, Tree ring studies PROVE that growing seasons during the latter end of the first millenium AD and the first couple of centuries of the second millenium were substantially warmer and longer than they are now. It was called the “Little climatic optimum” There is also irrefutable evidence that the earth was in a mini ice age from around 1500 until 1850. That means that the earth is still thawing from that ice age. Geological formations show that glaciers have formed and retreated repeatedly throughout the history of the planet. Exactly what evidence is there to prove that human activity has caused ANY of this? There isn’t any. Why? Because a major volcanic eruption puts more particulates in the air in a matter of minutes than human activity does in decades. Look at the data from Mt St Helens or better yet Krakatoa.
January 3, 2008 - 09:26 AM on January 3rd, 2008
Reputal scientists are skeptical about all this GLOBAL WARMING poppycock bull kaka malarkey but the left-wing liberal news medoa prefer to ignore them and the UNs IPCC has left out the medeval warm period
January 3, 2008 - 01:30 PM on January 3rd, 2008
That’s right, some Scientists who have disputed the human-caused GW scam tried to attend the recent UN bullshit fest in Bali and WERE TURNED AWAY. The human-caused GW advocates do not want to acknowledge any evidence that disputes their conclusion.
Isn’t that alone enough to make you think maybe you have been duped, SFL? Care to rethink your position? Any comments?
January 3, 2008 - 03:18 PM on January 3rd, 2008
No, really…except for a minority of folks who think as you do, the vast majority of people and most importantly scientists are very sure that mankind is making the warming situation worse.
Robert, again, I’m not arguing with you on the basics because neither one of us will budge, and of course I understand that there are two issues; the natural warming cycle and man-made contributions.
I like to think of it like one would with insurance (I worked in insurance for years before I went back to school).
If there is only a two percent chance that your home will burn down, would you pay a little extra and get fire insurance? You would.
If there was a two percent chance that mankind is CONTRIBUTING to and making worse a natural warming cycle, would it also not make sense pay a little extra to provide “insurance” against any dangers associated with it?
I would argue that if there is even a SLIGHT chance that humans can negativly affect their environment (like we do with LA smog for example) would it not make sense to adjust our behavior, even if there is financial loss involved (better regulation/protection of pollution)?
Do you argue against emissions tests here in CA?
January 3, 2008 - 03:22 PM on January 3rd, 2008
“That’s right, some Scientists who have disputed the human-caused GW scam tried to attend the recent UN bullshit fest in Bali and WERE TURNED AWAY.”
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I hadn’t heard about this nor do I care, but my first reaction is: Good. They are not part of the solution, and would only slow or delay progress.
I have an idea. Why don’t you few remaining holdouts have your OWN convention of sorts, and see how many wackos show up compared to the UN event.
snicker.
January 3, 2008 - 03:23 PM on January 3rd, 2008
“Isn’t that alone enough to make you think maybe you have been duped, SFL? Care to rethink your position? Any comments?”
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No.
No, and yes…
you guys are funny.
January 3, 2008 - 03:32 PM on January 3rd, 2008
Okay, SFL. So you cannot accept the obvious that sits right in front of your eyes. Like not seeing the forest for the trees.
If anything, the evidence is that GW is NOT caused by human activity. And the inability of many to separate the human-cause from GW itself has clouded the issue immensely.
And once again, you equate apples and oranges and then draw a conclusion that is inevitabley flawed.
It isn’t “insurance”. The stupid things that the Gov’t and the Al Gores want us to do, that will make the U.S. economy even less competetive, all added up won’t even make a small fraction of a 1% reduction in CO2 emissions because of all the coal and natural gas power plants currently being built or on the drawing board.
Despite even the best estimates of all of these initiatives, even if the Kyoto boondoggle was adopted, the global CO2 emissions will greatly increase every year.
Why aren’t the Al Gores talking about changing over to nuclear power? Here’s two reasons:
1. Al Gore does not want to admit that as virtual EPA Guru during the Klinton Admin he encouraged/allowed the stopping of all new nuke plant development and construction and the dismantling of our nuclear fuel reprocessing technology (which would have practically eliminated the nuclear waste problem). So he just pretends it doesn’t exist.
2. Gore’s getting notoriety, money, and just got a a Nobel prize pushing the human-caused GW fraud. Why should he change? It’s working just fine for him!
Why do you throw in the emission test issue? WHAT does that have to do with this? Answer: Nothing.
I don’t know how to make this any more clear; even my 12-yr old son understands it. Why can’t you?
January 3, 2008 - 03:41 PM on January 3rd, 2008
“I don’t know how to make this any more clear; even my 12-yr old son understands it. Why can’t you?”
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That’s funny, because that’s exactly what I ask about you and your minority of holdouts on this issue.
Seriously, the vast majority of 12 year old believe in Global Warming and the negative impact man has on the environment.
And, thankfully, they are told so by the VAST MAJORITY of scientists who study this issue.
You can gnash your teeth and tear at your clothes in the biblical fashion, and deny all you want, call names…whatever. But you CAN’T reverse the growing tide of environmentalism and global warming slowdown solutions.
That’s GOT to be frustrating for you. To know that no matter what you do or say, there is no stopping Americans and the rest of the world from making efforts to stop or slow mankinds damage to the environment, especially regarding air pollution.
So your answer to my question about the 2% chance of mankind making things worse is to ignore the danger because of the cost involved.
I suppose you could also save money, if you get rid of that fire insurance on your house. I mean, hey…there’s only a 2% chance your shit will catch fire.
Just trying to help you save money!
January 3, 2008 - 03:46 PM on January 3rd, 2008
“Why do you throw in the emission test issue? WHAT does that have to do with this?”
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Emission tests in california are a costly way to manage our air quality.
We pay the extra cost because we know that we are protecting the air we breathe.
My point is that supporting environmental regulations on air pollution can be thought of as being very similar to supporting emission quality tests.
How can you oppose it, unless you care more about money than the air you and your children breathe?
January 3, 2008 - 03:49 PM on January 3rd, 2008
“Gore’s getting notoriety, money, and just got a a Nobel prize pushing the human-caused GW fraud. Why should he change? It’s working just fine for him!”
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Gore is the LEAST of your worries. He’s been on the environmentalist bandwagon since the 1980’s.
This is nothing new for him, and he doesn’t need anything to gain popularity. He was VP for 8 years, and only lost the 2000 election by 500 some votes…and won the popular vote.
I’d say he already is very popular and doesn’t “need” anything to promote himself.
You guys just always need to have an “enemy” to attack and rally against. It’s in your blood as Republicans to constantly be afraid and aggressive.
That can’t be good for your blood pressure.
January 3, 2008 - 04:22 PM on January 3rd, 2008
SFL you clearly do not understand anything I am saying. You do not address a single one of my main points, only attacking my characterization of Gore.
Very, very sad. The only thing left to say is that history will show that I am RIGHT.
January 4, 2008 - 12:31 AM on January 4th, 2008
Hey San Fran, A couple of quick questions for you. Why did you fail to address all of the factual information that I listed that proves that you’re wrong? and What are you going to do in 7 years when all of the incandescent bulbs have been off the shelves for two years and everyone realizes that Compact flourescents are actually environmental hazards if they break and are hazardous waste when they have to be disposed of? Look it up. They’re full of mercury vapor.
January 4, 2008 - 12:51 AM on January 4th, 2008
“The only thing left to say is that history will show that I am RIGHT”
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Oh man, that’s a good one Robert. LOL…
Keep on dreaming about future history, while more knowledgeable and practical people take on the current problems.
January 4, 2008 - 01:03 AM on January 4th, 2008
“Hey San Fran, A couple of quick questions for you.”
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Hey FAO, here’s a partial answer for you:
In preparation for the 2007 G8 summit, the national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a declaration referencing the position of the 2005 joint science academies’ statement, and acknowledging the confirmation of their previous conclusion by recent research. Following the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, the declaration states:
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“It is unequivocal that the climate is changing, and it is very likely that this is predominantly caused by the increasing human interference with the atmosphere. These changes will transform the environmental conditions on Earth unless counter-measures are taken.”
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http://www.pik-potsdam.de/news-1/joint-science-academies2019-statement
Don’t you see how insignifigant your position and its support level is? What you are up against?
My god man, the VAST MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS believe this is happening and here you guys are, looking like blind fools, blathering about how its all a lie and a scam.
It’s both amusing and sad to watch you and those who agree with you go on and on about this.
January 4, 2008 - 07:22 AM on January 4th, 2008
Hey SFL, that vast majority has been dwindling since the first time you said that to us…
January 4, 2008 - 07:30 AM on January 4th, 2008
24, SFL supports anti-american bad science. SFL is not a patriot, nor is he analytical. Concensus is not science, moron.
March 2, 2008 - 07:38 PM on March 2nd, 2008
It’s happening people. Wake up.
March 2, 2008 - 07:38 PM on March 2nd, 2008
It’s happening people. Wake up.
March 2, 2008 - 10:33 PM on March 2nd, 2008
What’s happening? You mean the reality that this human-caused climate change is a hoax, a fraud is beginning to become evident to more and more all the time?
Yes, that is what is happening.