Soros has invested heavily into Fund for Investigative Journalism and Center for Public Integrity, the two nonprofit journalism organizations that conducted this study.
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Its time to have GEORGE SOROS banished from america for good we dont need this wealthy socialists living among decent patriotic americans:-w
And Rupert Murdock, will do his best to cover this up… so?
Facts can be checked.
All those statements in this study are on record.
Of course facts have a liberal bias now don’t they.
David, get me the link to the actual statements to support the study. When I went to open the link, I got a page that told me to put a key word in, much like google does. Where is the actual bibliography?
Facts can be checked.
The Left can be checked.
The Left typically lies…
I see this so-called “study” trumpeted all over the news pages in banner headlines. It is clearly another propaganda pos driven by Soros money.
Hopefully not too many people will be suckered by it.
I saw it last night and called it for what it was!
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“It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida,” according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. “In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003.”
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I don’t think all this pre-war MISinformation comes as much of a surprise to most Americans, and certainly not to our friends and allies in other countries.
Depends on what your definition of weapons of mass destruction is SFL. There were more than a million Iraqis and Iranians killed by chemicals after the first Gulf war. It’s documented that trucks, capable in size to house labs were hustled across Syrias border. My definition of a wmd is just that, it kills many. Chemical and biological weapons fall into that category.
Having said that I believe the intelligence was correct. Saddam had wmd and used them frequently.
Most Americans understand that.
SFL, How about we open one of those found WMD shells in your living room in front of you, your wife, and friends? You don’t think they exist, so you have nothing to fear. The reality is that you, your wife, and your friends would die horrible deaths in minutes.
PCD…love, peace and all the rest will save them.
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11, BonBon, they’re all so high on MaryJane that they won’t know the difference, but we will.
Watch this video and let’s talk about lies SFL!
Careful guys…keep on talking about those “WMD’s in Iraq” and people will start looking at you funny.
Kind of like they do when anyone mentions UFO’s or the like…
EVERYBODY (except a shrinking minority that apparently you few belong in) now fully understands that the WMD threat to the US and its allies, hyped before the war for the purpose of starting a war, was false.
sorry.
Still didn’t watch that video huh?
SFL can you explain just what happened to the WMDs that the U.N. catalogued (and why they kept sending inspectors)??? No one who says what you say has EVER been able to answer that question.
Klinton’s missile strikes did not destroy them. Saddam did not destroy them. What happened to them??? Can you answer that? See answer below when you run out of guesses.
ans> They were moved, likely to Syria.
OK, just watched the video; heard and seen it all before…
Pre-war democratic opinion is irrelevant.
Bush, the one and only C.I.C, had two main choices: invasion, or more time for weapons inspections.
“He chose…poorly.”
Clinton also had much of the same intel…and chose not to invade Iraq.
And don’t say 9/11 because, as we all now know, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
“SFL can you explain just what happened to the WMDs that the U.N. catalogued (and why they kept sending inspectors)??? No one who says what you say has EVER been able to answer that question.”
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Here’s the official report: http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/duelfer.html
And I found this…
“The 1,000-page report by chief weapons searcher Charles Duelfer, a document that President Bush said would represent the last word on the issue, confirms earlier findings and undermines much of the Bush administration’s case about the Iraq weapons threat, though it does say Saddam intended to restart his weapons programs once United Nations sanctions were lifted.
Using the research of the 1,700-member Iraq Survey Group, Duelfer concluded that Saddam ordered his arsenal of chemical and biological weapons destroyed in 1991 and 1992 and halted nuclear weapons development, all in hopes of lifting crippling economic sanctions.
“Saddam Hussein ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf War,” the report states.
The findings were similarly definitive concerning chemical and biological weapons: “Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991″ and the survey team found “no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-10-06-wmd_x.htm
Intelligence is NEVER perfect. To make idiotic commentary about it after the fact is just stupid. After the fact, you analyze the end results and formulate a plan of action based on the new intelligence. The question is: ” What would’ve been the possible outcome if the intelligence had been correct?”
This much we know:
Saddam had ties to terrorists (maybe not Al Quaeda, but definitely other terrorist groups.)
Saddam had a history of supporting terrorist organizations ( He was providing money to support the families of suicide bombers in Israel)
Saddam had a history of producing and USING chemical weapons
Saddam had a score to settle with the US for the humiliation of Desert Storm. (He had sent Iraqi intelligence hit squads after President George H. W. Bush.)
Islamic terrorists had asked for and gotten permission from their spiritual leaders to use WMDs on US soil if they were able to obtain them.
With those FACTS, the question becomes: “What action should be taken to prevent a WMD attack on US soil, if the intelligence is correct and Saddam has reconstituted his WMD program and is preparing to provide WMDs to a terrorist group?”
Obviously, if he has reconstituted his program in secret, sanctions (aided by the corruption in the UN oil for food program) have failed.
Securing the US border is simply not going to happen as is evidenced by the idiotic lawsuits over putting a fence along it to keep the criminal illegal aliens, and illicit drugs and other contraband out because it might have a negative environmental impact.
Use military force to remove him from office and work towards building a democratic type nation where Iraq now stands.
The fourth option is the BJ Billy stance, and do nothing despite the risk of mass US civilian casualties. Or for that matter even thereafter.
There is one very important fact that has been completely ignored by the MSM. The fact that Saddam had purchased thousands of new chemical warfare suits and tens of thousands of doses of Atropine since the inspectors had left. If he had no intention of being involved in a war wherein chemical weapons were going to be present on the battlefield (weapons that no western nation has used since WWI), why had he spent tens of millions of dollars to purchase protective suits and nerve agent antidote? Can anyone explain that?
Good point FAO, but the other thing getting ignored is SFL’s refusal to watch the video that I provided in 13..If they were “lies” that’s where it all began and those people should be given credit for it!
What SFL seems to forget is that these politicians work on foreign policy committees and know the things like Saddam did possess wmd and choose to use an issue for political purposes. But aside from the nuclear aspect, by definition wmd can also be chemical or biological. That also is a point SFL won’t address.
I read that report SFL linked to and while it is very interesting, all it says about saddam’s known WMD is that available evidence suggests Saddam destroyed them after the first Gulf War.
But no hard evidence, no proof. And that report was written before Saddam’s former right-hand military guy came out publicly and stated the WMD were moved to Syria with the help of Russian Special Forces just before the 2003 invasion.
Further, the report goes into detail about how Saddam was rebuilding and reequipping his chemical industry to restart WMD production, leading right up to the 2003 invasion.
If anything, SFL, the report you linked to makes a strong case FOR the invasion of Iraq.
Your turn.
“WMD were moved to Syria with the help of Russian Special Forces just before the 2003 invasion”
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LOL…what?!?
You people cannot and will not be able to get around the simple fact that MULTIPLE intel agencies NOW agree that Iraq did not have massive stockpiles of WMD’s that threatened the US and its allies.
That report I linked to is the United States official and final say on the matter.
…and it does not agree with what you folks are saying.
Anything else you offer on the issue is pretty much non-credible conjecture: the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
My proof is the offical report on the matter. What’s yours? The opinion of some obscure Iraqi military officer?
PS – the person I support for president did not vote for the war to begin with, was not swayed or seduced by the pre-war political theatre and has a record of opposing it.
This just in on Drudge, not sure if true but interesting none the less:
“Saddam Hussein initially didn’t think the U.S. would invade Iraq to destroy weapons of mass destruction, so he kept the fact that he had none a secret to prevent an Iranian invasion he believed could happen. The Iraqi dictator revealed this thinking to George Piro, the FBI agent assigned to interrogate him after his capture.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/24/60minutes/main3749494.shtml
That news came out in November. A few hundred thousand American troops were massing across the border in Kuwait to knock him out ” and Saddam was worried about Iran?
Could this just be a case of CBS knowing how silly that really is and chose not to run it in November, so they instead figured what the hell, and ran it after Soros had his lies published?
AP:
“A few hundred thousand American troops were massing across the border in Kuwait to knock him out ” and Saddam was worried about Iran?”
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First of all, Hot Air? Why are you sourcing another blog for opinion?
Second, Saddam thought the US wouldn’t invade. He was, with good reason, more “afraid” of Iran it seems.
If Iran still believed Iraq had WMD’s, Saddam probably thought they’d think twice about coming after him.
Again…I don’t know. However, this sounds more plausible than Russian Special Forces smuggling convoys or truckloads of Iraqs WMD’s into Syria or wherever…all under the watchful (or blind?) eyes up in air and space.
You may not want to acknowledge it, as the Democraps and the MSM don’t but that is what happened:
#2 in Iraqi Air Force says so:
http://www.nysun.com/article/26514
Not some obscure Iraqi. Saddam had plenty of time to do this, and it would have been extremely easy to do so.
And frankly, I would take his word over that of the Democrap leadership and the MSM Leftists, especially in light of the lack of proof that Saddam destroyed the WMD.
27- Uhmm we knocked his door down before and he didn’t think we would be coming? Even after Russia and France gave him all the info from the security council meetings at the UN?
That really sound more plausible to you? Uh Huh! Keep trying SFL..
Awww, Saddam was just a big teddy bear! It was all a misunderstanding! He never REALLY had any WMD to speak of, and he never meant to harm anyone. But everyone kept hassling him, and he had to do something! He was more afraid of those Iranians than the U.S. because, in his mind he won the Gulf War, at least that’s what he announced publicly in Iraq!
So yes, it is quite plausible…you just need to look at it the right way! <:-p
There is another factor here that the liberal left and the main stream media refuse to address. The portability of chemical weapons and the lethality of man portable sized amounts. It doesn’t take tons of chemical weapons to kill thousands of people. A couple of five gallon buckets are more than enough. There’s also the idea that Saddam could’ve reinstituted his programs simply to train terrorists in chemical weapon production. The basic chemicals are not regulated, nor is the equipment to process them. Any college or good high school chem lab has the equipment and science hobby shops sell the necessary labware mail order. The air filtration and other specialty equipment would have to be adapted from other sources but is still possible. Most of the basic chemicals are readily available in the US. I personally wouldn’t bother smuggling large quantities of hazardous chemicals across the border when I could reproduce them here from readily available materials. It’s not like sneaking across the US – Mexican border is all that difficult. They estimate that 10,000 sneak across it nightly. They’ve caught hundreds who are from Islamic countries crossing into the US illegally. If they only catch 10% of the illegal crossers, how many have gotten through?
FAO…San Fran refuses to address that issue.
24, Kook-cinich is out SFL. What ya gonna do, brother????
30,31,32,33,
The Democrats are not honest, so why should SFL be?
“And frankly, I would take his word over that of the Democrap leadership and the MSM Leftists”
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Except, Robert, that my source on the Non-Existance of Iraqi WMD didn’t come from the Democrats, but from over a dozen American Intel agencies, most of which if not all report to the Bush Administration.
Soooo….not sure where you’re coming from on this one.
“..we knocked his door down before and he didn’t think we would be coming?”
“That really sound more plausible to you?”
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Does Saddam fearing Iran (four times the size of Iraq and filled with fanaticaly religious Shi’ites, and still pissed off at Iraq for starting the Iraq/Iran War) more than the United States who has no history of “pre-emptive” invasion, seem more plausible than Russian Special Forces SNEAKING out massive amounts of Iraqi WMDs into Syria right under the noses of western powers in the most extensively electronicaly surveiled region on the planet?
…Yes.
“Kook-cinich is out SFL. What ya gonna do, brother????”
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Yeah, PCD, I’m really shedding some tears out into the Bay on that one…
But since you ask, my wife was going to protest-vote for him in the primary, because they are both vegans.
(SFL Lib is NOT a vegan.)
“There is another factor here that the liberal left and the main stream media refuse to address. The portability of chemical weapons and the lethality of man portable sized amounts. It doesn’t take tons of chemical weapons to kill thousands of people.”
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I am not disputing that, FAO, but as we ALL know the Iraq War was sold to us by the Bush Administration because of its fears about Massive-Stockpiles of Iraqi WMD.
The lives and money spent on the American Invasion and 5+ year occupation of Iraq would not be justified because of the “possible” threat of “small amounts” of 20 year old gas and non-functioning weapons programs.
There is no way around it.
Since there are no, and most importantly were no massive stockpiles of WMDs, the Iraq Invasion/Occupation was a MISTAKE.
A majority of Americans believe the war was a mistake.
Look it up.
SFL, only losers like you want to cut and run. Look it up.
“The lives and money spent on the American Invasion and 5+ year occupation of Iraq would not be justified because of the “possible”threat of “small amounts”of 20 year old gas and non-functioning weapons programs.”
This is quite possibly the most naive statement you have ever made here SFL. Putting it into perspective Saddam gassed more than 1 million people after the Gulf War. To you this is an acceptable amount? His wmd program was fully funded by the Oil for Food program and you can look up the numbers of BILLIONS of dollars he received from it. That’s alot of money to maintain ‘outdated’ programs. But be that as it may are you really okay with a population bigger than the city of San Francisco being wiped out?
Or maybe that’s a dumb question because we know there were 4 million murders in Kosovo before Clinton took action and another 1 million in Rwanda where he never took action.
Just something to think about.
“Putting it into perspective Saddam gassed more than 1 million people after the Gulf War.”
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That simply is not true, BonBon.
The chemical weapons Saddam used, given to him by Ronald Reagan, were used in the early 1980′s against the Iranians and later some Kurds in the north.
Over 20 years ago – before the Gulf War.
And the numbers of dead do not even come close to being near 1 million.
You can’t just make shit up like that and expect people to swallow it.
Seriously, the Iraq War was unnecessary and was a mistake.
Thousands of dead American soldiers, tens of thousands of wounded Americans with limbs blown off…and for what?
My childhood buddy, Captain Frank, died in Iraq for nothing.
43, Capt. Frank only dies for nothing if *SSH*LES like you prevail and the US cuts and runs.
“…The chemical weapons Saddam used, given to him by Ronald Reagan,”
I hear this nonsense, in various permutations, repeated endlessly. Yes we favored Iraq by assisting them with Intel, and they were also able to buy weapons and commodities on the international market during their war with Iran.
I’ve hear assertions ranging from “we gave Saddam the WMD” to “we built Saddam up and made him so powerful”. I’ve even heard some mentally-ill folks state that Saddam was a CIA operative then.
Utter balderdash.
45, Robert, SFL monicas any anti-american notion he can find. He and the other anti-american moonbats take some medical aid we gave him under UN auspicices as we gave him WMDs.
SFL is officially declared a loon.
“Utter Balderdash”
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Maybe in your make-believe world Robert, where truthiness is subjective, but not in this real one.
During the 1980′s, the Reagan Admin gave military and economic aid to Saddam – including information on WMD programs (chem and bio).
It’s all in the public record, feel free to look it up.
I’m such a nice guy Robert, I’ll make it easy for you:
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In a September 26, 2002, article entitled “Following Iraq’s Bioweapons Trail,” columnist Robert Novak wrote,
“An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American-exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.”
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Now. Once again, I offer proof to back up my claim.
What proof do YOU have that Reagan DID NOT assist Iraqi WMD programs in the 1980′s?
I do not trust Novak, so I would have to read that report for myself. Kind of the like the “polls show…” with no detail of the polling questions themselves.
But even if :…disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported” that provides no information on what, by whom, and under what circumstances.
Details, details, details. Without them any conclusion can be drawn. You’ve shown no proof that RR was rsponsible for anything.
Now I’ll help you out, SFL. Here’s a link to a posting that absolutely supports you:
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0406g.asp
Except that, well, it is the work of a fringe lunatuc organization. A bunch of whackjobs. I wouldn’t be surprised if they reported all having been abducted by Extra-Terrestrials, and are having their next general meeting on the Hale-Bopp Comet.