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	<title>Comments on: The Poll Gods Are Not With Obama As Another Pastor Surfaces</title>
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	<description>in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane.</description>
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		<title>By: TedintheShed</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/03/20/the-poll-gods-are-not-with-obama-as-another-pastor-surfaces/comment-page-1/#comment-714728</link>
		<dc:creator>TedintheShed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;SFL you are right that Hitlary/Obama is not over; they&#039;ll slug it out now and fight over superdelegates. This is going to be fun. Obamiacs will never let go, even as the old party insiders favor HilLiary. It will be a bitter struggle. But Hitlary will prevail. The old guard will make sure of that.&quot;

I don&#039;t see Hillary prevailing now. The Clintons made a lot of folks in the Dem party eat a lot of crow. There are long standing deep resentments within the Dems for that, and many of those folks are super delegates. They don&#039;t want to see the Clintons back in power. 

That said, this is going to cause a long term struggle in the party I thnk. There isn&#039;t going to be any &quot;reuniting&quot; as SFL pines for. The Clintons play with sharp elbows, and they will always have their support in the party. It isn&#039;t above them to let Obama move on to the general election and allow him to lose so that she can run again in four years saying &quot;I told ya so.&quot;. I wouldn&#039;t be suprised if the deal dirt to the Republicans to allow this to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;SFL you are right that Hitlary/Obama is not over; they&#8217;ll slug it out now and fight over superdelegates. This is going to be fun. Obamiacs will never let go, even as the old party insiders favor HilLiary. It will be a bitter struggle. But Hitlary will prevail. The old guard will make sure of that.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see Hillary prevailing now. The Clintons made a lot of folks in the Dem party eat a lot of crow. There are long standing deep resentments within the Dems for that, and many of those folks are super delegates. They don&#8217;t want to see the Clintons back in power. </p>
<p>That said, this is going to cause a long term struggle in the party I thnk. There isn&#8217;t going to be any &#8220;reuniting&#8221; as SFL pines for. The Clintons play with sharp elbows, and they will always have their support in the party. It isn&#8217;t above them to let Obama move on to the general election and allow him to lose so that she can run again in four years saying &#8220;I told ya so.&#8221;. I wouldn&#8217;t be suprised if the deal dirt to the Republicans to allow this to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: TedintheShed</title>
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		<dc:creator>TedintheShed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;1. It&#039;s not even April. We&#039;re WEEKS away from the next primary. Obama vs. Clinton is NOT over.&quot;

Technically correct, but for all intents and purposes the Dem primary is over. Your percveptions seem to clash regarding this. On one hand you are saying that the Rev Wright story hasn&#039;t really effected Obama, but on the other you are saying Hillary has a chance.  Unless you concede that the Rev Wright situation has hurt Obama more than you have previously, there is no way Hillary can win. She needs 61% of the remaining delagates to pull even with Obama which is pretty much unheard of. The only way this will happen is if the Rev Wright story has done massive damage to Obama within the party. I&#039;m sorry, but Dems just aren&#039;t that smart- they will continue to vote for him.

&quot;2. Regarding the Dem nomination, which is MONTHS away, the man simply has more delegates than Clinton and has more money in the bank/fund raising potential than Clinton. Team Obama doesn&#039;t seem to be very worried.&quot;

Regarding the primary he shouldn&#039;t be. Regarding the General election, that&#039;s in the crapper now.

&quot;3. McCain vs. ??? (Obama?) The General Election is over SEVEN MONTHS away, you&#039;d frankly be foolish to make predictions this far out.&quot;

And why is that? How is making a prediction foolish? It is nothing more than that- a prediction. I made it based on facts as previously stated:

I am seeing a minimum 12 pt swing in the polls, and at bare minimum his &quot;Change&quot;message has been severely corrupted. He has been associated with a radical religious movement and that perception is reinforced by his wife&#039;s radical statements, the picture of him not holding his hand over his heart during the Pledge and his refusal to wear the flag lapel pins. And I got news for you: The right hasn&#039;t even begun to fight yet. 

The only way for this scenerio to change is if McCain severly screws up like Obama did. I just don&#039;t see that happening though- McCain is too seasoned of a politician. In the general folks will make the comparision of a candidate who was once a war hero and a perceived independant voice in Congress (not my perception of him, FTR) vs. that of a candidate possibly associated with a radical religious movement. The comparisons of thr BLM to radical Islam hasn&#039;t even begun yet, and the REpublicans will feasdt on that. Folks won&#039;t take that kind of chance with the presidency, especially the middle. McCain will get the nod...

unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1. It&#8217;s not even April. We&#8217;re WEEKS away from the next primary. Obama vs. Clinton is NOT over.&#8221;</p>
<p>Technically correct, but for all intents and purposes the Dem primary is over. Your percveptions seem to clash regarding this. On one hand you are saying that the Rev Wright story hasn&#8217;t really effected Obama, but on the other you are saying Hillary has a chance.  Unless you concede that the Rev Wright situation has hurt Obama more than you have previously, there is no way Hillary can win. She needs 61% of the remaining delagates to pull even with Obama which is pretty much unheard of. The only way this will happen is if the Rev Wright story has done massive damage to Obama within the party. I&#8217;m sorry, but Dems just aren&#8217;t that smart- they will continue to vote for him.</p>
<p>&#8220;2. Regarding the Dem nomination, which is MONTHS away, the man simply has more delegates than Clinton and has more money in the bank/fund raising potential than Clinton. Team Obama doesn&#8217;t seem to be very worried.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regarding the primary he shouldn&#8217;t be. Regarding the General election, that&#8217;s in the crapper now.</p>
<p>&#8220;3. McCain vs. ??? (Obama?) The General Election is over SEVEN MONTHS away, you&#8217;d frankly be foolish to make predictions this far out.&#8221;</p>
<p>And why is that? How is making a prediction foolish? It is nothing more than that- a prediction. I made it based on facts as previously stated:</p>
<p>I am seeing a minimum 12 pt swing in the polls, and at bare minimum his &#8220;Change&#8221;message has been severely corrupted. He has been associated with a radical religious movement and that perception is reinforced by his wife&#8217;s radical statements, the picture of him not holding his hand over his heart during the Pledge and his refusal to wear the flag lapel pins. And I got news for you: The right hasn&#8217;t even begun to fight yet. </p>
<p>The only way for this scenerio to change is if McCain severly screws up like Obama did. I just don&#8217;t see that happening though- McCain is too seasoned of a politician. In the general folks will make the comparision of a candidate who was once a war hero and a perceived independant voice in Congress (not my perception of him, FTR) vs. that of a candidate possibly associated with a radical religious movement. The comparisons of thr BLM to radical Islam hasn&#8217;t even begun yet, and the REpublicans will feasdt on that. Folks won&#8217;t take that kind of chance with the presidency, especially the middle. McCain will get the nod&#8230;</p>
<p>unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama isn&#039;t standing tall. He&#039;s reeling from the effects of RacismGate. His mask is off; people are finally getting to see who he is. And it isn&#039;t very palatable to many.

SFL you are right that Hitlary/Obama is not over; they&#039;ll slug it out now and fight over superdelegates. This is going to be fun. Obamiacs will never let go, even as the old party insiders favor HilLiary. It will be a bitter struggle. But Hitlary will prevail. The old guard will make sure of that. If Obama&#039;s good he can go back to the plantation and keep his Senate job, keep running those corrupt Chicago deals. Keep sitting in that pew every Sunday absorbing the hate-America, hate-Whitey rants of the new &quot;pastor&quot;, who they say is a bigger AH than &quot;Rev&quot; Wrong was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama isn&#8217;t standing tall. He&#8217;s reeling from the effects of RacismGate. His mask is off; people are finally getting to see who he is. And it isn&#8217;t very palatable to many.</p>
<p>SFL you are right that Hitlary/Obama is not over; they&#8217;ll slug it out now and fight over superdelegates. This is going to be fun. Obamiacs will never let go, even as the old party insiders favor HilLiary. It will be a bitter struggle. But Hitlary will prevail. The old guard will make sure of that. If Obama&#8217;s good he can go back to the plantation and keep his Senate job, keep running those corrupt Chicago deals. Keep sitting in that pew every Sunday absorbing the hate-America, hate-Whitey rants of the new &#8220;pastor&#8221;, who they say is a bigger AH than &#8220;Rev&#8221; Wrong was.</p>
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		<title>By: San Francisco Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>San Francisco Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry Ted, but I disagree 100%.  And it&#039;s not just a simple case of Obamatonism, either.

1. It&#039;s not even April.  We&#039;re WEEKS away from the next primary.  Obama vs. Clinton is NOT over.

2. Regarding the Dem nomination, which is MONTHS away, the man simply has more delegates than Clinton and has more money in the bank/fund raising potential than Clinton.  Team Obama doesn&#039;t seem to be very worried. (!)  

3. McCain vs. ??? (Obama?) The General Election is over SEVEN MONTHS away, you&#039;d frankly be foolish to make predictions this far out.

Relax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry Ted, but I disagree 100%.  And it&#8217;s not just a simple case of Obamatonism, either.</p>
<p>1. It&#8217;s not even April.  We&#8217;re WEEKS away from the next primary.  Obama vs. Clinton is NOT over.</p>
<p>2. Regarding the Dem nomination, which is MONTHS away, the man simply has more delegates than Clinton and has more money in the bank/fund raising potential than Clinton.  Team Obama doesn&#8217;t seem to be very worried. (!)  </p>
<p>3. McCain vs. ??? (Obama?) The General Election is over SEVEN MONTHS away, you&#8217;d frankly be foolish to make predictions this far out.</p>
<p>Relax.</p>
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		<title>By: TedintheShed</title>
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		<dc:creator>TedintheShed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10.

It&#039;s like this: I don&#039;t have a horse in this race, so I don&#039;t really care who wins- McCain will be as bad as Hillary or Obama. I&#039;m as impartial as anyone can be on this board, and I think you are letting your &quot;Obamatonism&quot; get in the way here. To you he&#039;s standing tall, but I am seeing a minimum 12 pt swing in the polls, and at bare minimum his &quot;Change&quot; message has been severely corrupted. He has been associated with a radical religious movement and that perception is reinforced by his wife&#039;s radical statements, the picture of him not holding his hand over his heart during the Pledge and his refusal to wear the flag lapel pins.  And I got news for you: The right hasn&#039;t even begun to fight yet. 

Right, wrong or indifferent this is the way he is being seen, and the right is only going to drive this message home when the time comes. It will only get worse for him outside of his zealot core group.  In these times, mainstream Americans won&#039;t even take the chance that any of those perceptions are remotely true.

Sorry SFL, but Obama and your party blew this one. By all rights, your man should be President, but you guys screwed the pooch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like this: I don&#8217;t have a horse in this race, so I don&#8217;t really care who wins- McCain will be as bad as Hillary or Obama. I&#8217;m as impartial as anyone can be on this board, and I think you are letting your &#8220;Obamatonism&#8221; get in the way here. To you he&#8217;s standing tall, but I am seeing a minimum 12 pt swing in the polls, and at bare minimum his &#8220;Change&#8221; message has been severely corrupted. He has been associated with a radical religious movement and that perception is reinforced by his wife&#8217;s radical statements, the picture of him not holding his hand over his heart during the Pledge and his refusal to wear the flag lapel pins.  And I got news for you: The right hasn&#8217;t even begun to fight yet. </p>
<p>Right, wrong or indifferent this is the way he is being seen, and the right is only going to drive this message home when the time comes. It will only get worse for him outside of his zealot core group.  In these times, mainstream Americans won&#8217;t even take the chance that any of those perceptions are remotely true.</p>
<p>Sorry SFL, but Obama and your party blew this one. By all rights, your man should be President, but you guys screwed the pooch.</p>
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		<title>By: San Francisco Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>San Francisco Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He looks really worried in this video clip...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/24/obama-hits-st-thomas-meets-with-governor-unofficially/



=))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He looks really worried in this video clip&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/24/obama-hits-st-thomas-meets-with-governor-unofficially/" rel="nofollow">http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/24/obama-hits-st-thomas-meets-with-governor-unofficially/</a></p>
<p>=))</p>
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		<title>By: San Francisco Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>San Francisco Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL...

OK, guys...if you say so.

8-&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;</p>
<p>OK, guys&#8230;if you say so.</p>
<p>8-|</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The man has got serious political skills. I think you might be underestimating him:&quot;

What he had was the benefit of being new, fresh, and outsider, an unknown untainted by the slime of the status quo.

But now that his record has come out he has been shown to be quite a Player in dirty Chicago politics. His deep association on multiple fronts with the Hate-America, Hate-whitey, hate the Jews, love the terrorists Black Liberation &quot;theology&quot; reveals him to be a very dangerous entity, far too much so to entrust with the highest office in the land.

His political skills were shown to be inadequate with his complete mishandling of the fallout from the Wrightgate/Racegate incident. 

Let&#039;s face it, it&#039;s over for Barack Saddam Hussein Osama Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The man has got serious political skills. I think you might be underestimating him:&#8221;</p>
<p>What he had was the benefit of being new, fresh, and outsider, an unknown untainted by the slime of the status quo.</p>
<p>But now that his record has come out he has been shown to be quite a Player in dirty Chicago politics. His deep association on multiple fronts with the Hate-America, Hate-whitey, hate the Jews, love the terrorists Black Liberation &#8220;theology&#8221; reveals him to be a very dangerous entity, far too much so to entrust with the highest office in the land.</p>
<p>His political skills were shown to be inadequate with his complete mishandling of the fallout from the Wrightgate/Racegate incident. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, it&#8217;s over for Barack Saddam Hussein Osama Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really starting to look like Obama&#039;s Presidential hopes are finished after all. As Ted states, he&#039;s solidly lost the middle. Conservatives won&#039;t vote for McCain, they&#039;ll vote against Obama. HilLiary hasn&#039;t even got started yet smearing Obama; the current difficulty is due to Sean Hannity.

I think Osama Obama is finished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really starting to look like Obama&#8217;s Presidential hopes are finished after all. As Ted states, he&#8217;s solidly lost the middle. Conservatives won&#8217;t vote for McCain, they&#8217;ll vote against Obama. HilLiary hasn&#8217;t even got started yet smearing Obama; the current difficulty is due to Sean Hannity.</p>
<p>I think Osama Obama is finished.</p>
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		<title>By: San Francisco Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>San Francisco Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on, Ted...

It&#039;s not even frickin&#039; APRIL yet.  There is SO much time still left in this race.

I&#039;m not even close to being worried about my guy, yet.  Clinton and the Rabid Right (talk-radio, Faux News, etc,) have tried their best to hurt him, and he is still standing tall.

The man has got serious political skills.  I think you might be underestimating him...

He&#039;s going up against THE CLINTONS, for cryin out loud, and look at far he&#039;s come!

Oh, and he&#039;s got HELLA BANK (as the kids say out here in California).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, Ted&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not even frickin&#8217; APRIL yet.  There is SO much time still left in this race.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not even close to being worried about my guy, yet.  Clinton and the Rabid Right (talk-radio, Faux News, etc,) have tried their best to hurt him, and he is still standing tall.</p>
<p>The man has got serious political skills.  I think you might be underestimating him&#8230;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s going up against THE CLINTONS, for cryin out loud, and look at far he&#8217;s come!</p>
<p>Oh, and he&#8217;s got HELLA BANK (as the kids say out here in California).</p>
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