AJStrata and Michelle Malkin are two bloggers that I have a great deal of respect for. I don’t always agree with everything either one says, but I do listen to them, and in this case, both are making valid points:
WRAL reports on a new statistical breakdown of illegal alien drunk drivers in North Carolina. It’s a blood-pressure-raising look at the deadly revolving door, catch-and-release, the deportation abyss, and the danger of sanctuary policies embraced by those sworn to defend and protect the public
And the deportation abyss is because the laws did not get passed and there will be no new laws for years to come. This is as much Michelle’s fault as those she lambasts – she just won’t admit her efforts to stop the legislation kept the status quo in place. I want to remind people why I call Michelle and Tancredo and their ilk Amnesty Hypochondriacs….
As people know I will not debate on false pretenses and lies. As the comprehensive immigration reform got closer to reality some panicked and started to believe exaggerated and extreme theories. They became invested in myths just as the left has invested in myths that Iraq is a defeat.
I have no choice but to remind people that actions have results, and you better take responsibility for all the results of your actions, not just the ones you wanted but all those you did not think through. That is the essence of law and order, ignorance is not an excuse. You cannot say I had not realized that would happen and get a pass on vehicular manslaughter. You can only get the lowered punishment for negligence verses premeditation.
Michelle and the Amnesty Hypochondriacs traded endless drunk drivers for the opportunity to try one more time to deport the illegals, either directly or through coercion from lost wages, etc. There never was going to be the removal of 10-20 million people who have lived here for years, but they were not thinking straight, they had to stop the bill which would not have provided the punishments they wanted. They did not care the vast majority in this democracy did not agree with them, and therefore they should have accepted the fact they did not have the numbers and let as much reform get passed as was possible.
The fact is we had two choices and they gave us the worst of the two. Choice one was (a) comprehensive reform passes with its imperfections, (b) the long term illegals get a process to prove they should, and then pay, to stay, and (c) we get to deport the violent criminals without minimal resistance from the judicial branch (there would be some test challenges, always are.
The second choice is where we are: (a) no immigration reform, (b) long term illegals get to stay and (c) we still cannot deport violent criminals. The lie back then was we could fix our problems with current law. I have many posts on why that was a lie and is a lie. So when Michelle holds up these examples of what she and others wrought last year when they killed immigration reform I can only shake my head and ask “what were you thinking?” Remember Michelle, all those dead children might have been alive if the Immigration Reform package had passed and these criminals would have been deported instead of given a second chance. You all own this issue now, since you left us with this mess.
I really would like your reactions to this. I’m still absorbing AJ’s words so I will respond in the comments section.
Fluffy, yeah, I have three Harleys. I love riding and that’s part of the reason I live here. I can ride all year long and make a lot of trips up the coast to Big Sur, the Redwoods, up to Sturgis SD for bike week, Vegas, Laughlin. I also go to Tucson to visit mom and Phoenix once in a while. I usually stop in the Billet Bar in Scottsdale. I like to just take a weekender up to Santa Barbra for a night. I used to live in Camarillo when I worked at the Missile Test Center up there. I have been up and down the coast and through LA many times and I have seen the illegal thing up close and personal for a long time. By the way, LA, oooohhh, there’s some nasty places there. Santa Ana is starting to resemble parts of Baghdad with Spanish writing. The last time I stopped for gas in Santa Ana, there was a small condemned strip mall with what appeared to be no electricity in it and someone was selling meat in one of the abandoned stores. There was a hand painted sign in front of the store that just said, “MEAT”. And people were going in there and buy unrefridgerated meat. Ugh!
The last time I was in Phoenix, I drove into town on the ten fwy and the westbound side of the rode was empty. When I got to see what the problem was, there was an illegal in the middle of the freeway with a stopped stolen van in a gun standoff with police. The next day, a phoenix police officer was behind a truck in an unmarked car. The guy in front of him threw a lit butt in the street, (that’s a serious crime in a high fire area). He lit the truck up and the driver of the truck, an illegal, Stomped on the gas, pushing the car in front of him into cross traffic getting that person t-boned. The driver lost her leg and bled to death in the intersection. The illegal proceeded to pull up and back up fast smashing his truck into the police car over and over and over again. This was one who was previously deported and came back with a new name. Anyone from AZ knows what kind of chaos is associated with this problem.
Pam, I gotta story for you that’s gonna crack you up. When my nephew was about eight years old, he lived with me for a few years. He was in the first grade at a local school that my mother was volunteering at. She met this little six year old Iraqi boy in class who was real shy but she was trying to get him to talk. She asked him, where was his family from? He said they just came from Detroit. My mother said, Oh really? I’m from Detroit, did you like it there? And he said, “No, it’s too much like Iraq!”
Bikerken,
If I give Pam my permission to forward you my email addy, would you send me yours? I’d like to discuss some things off-line…
Pam,
Would you do that for me if Bikerken is interested in pursuing a conversation off-line?
Yeah Kitty, I’m ok with that.
102- =)) Now that is funny!
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FAO sent me this link so I want to add it here: Racist Mexican Gangs “Ethnic Cleansing” Blacks In L.A.
Latino thugs indiscriminately murder blacks regardless of gang membership, genocidal purge aligns with radical Aztlan theology
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Hate Crimes: The Whitey Did It?
I actually got that link from (OMG) Blackwater. They send out a weekly newsletter to people who have expressed an interest in their schools. In my case, I was turned on to an ad for a supposed private security contracting firm that claimed to provide training before placement in high paying security positions abroad. When I read through the ad and visited the website, all kinds of bells and whistles started going off. Hint folks, if you’re going to try and run an id theft scam pretending to be a security training and placement firm, don’t claim to have a training facility in Moyock, NC. When I contacted Blackwater about the ad, they were quite surprised that someone they had never heard of was claiming to be using their facility.
Here’s another two links also courtesy of the Blackwater Tactical Weekly that you might find interesting:
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/82798.php
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2008/May/SecurityBeat.htm#Border
Wow, Blackwater must’ve been on a tear about illegal aliens and Mexican criminal activity. Here’s another link about Illegal Mexican activity in the US. They had 5 articles and links about illegal acitivities conducted by Hispanics in the US.
http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/profiles/surenos/
Bikerken #85: =d> You’ve summed it up well. Notice no response from the other side. Have they cut and run? Or is reality too far below their intellectual level to spend any more time on?
The Senate Shamnesty bill, authored by ChapaTraitor Kennedy, was a huge, steaming pos. NO BILL is better, for the reasons I have described earlier.
Harold keeps posting about candidates, percentages, here and thetre, but won’t take on the FACT that in Kalifornia, a State heavily impacted by illegals (and a “blue” state) EVERY time the people get to vote on a proposition to turn off the magnet it PASSES overwhelmingly. What more proof does anyone need than that?
Once again, proponents of the Senate Shamnesty bill have failed to mount a convincing argument.
Michelle Malkin 1, her detractors 0.
I just read the rest of the posts between #85 and 108 and I gotta say by my count the pro-Shamnesty side has been nuked. Their arguments have so many logical and common sense holes they look like swiss cheese. When you match up what they say with reality and history, there’s not much overlap.
Thanks for the links, Pam and FAO.
FAO – I don’t have the slightest problem with someone being hispanic; I DO object to illegal immigration – and I don’t care WHERE the person is from.
Robert – I agree – it appears they have cut and run. Since they won’t answer the simplest of questions, it is apparent they are not interested in discussing the issues. .. ~:> ~:> ~:> ~:>
There is a foreign documentary film crew wrapping up in my area now. It’s hard to tell what their slant is going to be and the film won’t be finished until sometime next year.
Unsecured borders and illegal immigration are problems worldwide.
Robert, They don’t care. If you ever read AJ Strata’s website when he discusses the illegal immigration problem, there is absolutely no logic to his positions whatsover. He just says LOL alot and repeats the same old delusions. He really seems to believe that the CIRB was an improvement on the situation we have now. You were right above that bad legistlation is worse than none. I keep wondering what his stake in this is. There are only three types of people who supported this bill, Hispanics who want to see a more hispanic America, people who have no idea what a problem illegal immigration is because it has not impacted their life or it has and they are really stupid, and the third group is people who are making money off it. I too am damned sick and tired of people who live in gated communities around the beltway who have illegal nannies and gardeners telling those of us who live like I do, (there are probably close to two million illegals within 150 miles of me), to just shut up and allow our country to be over run because they like their nanny and gardner.
Oh, Fluffy, Thanks for the link on the side. Sent you a response.
No, FluffyKitty, I had better things to do – and something called a life away from this.
I will note that Robert again made a treason insinuation (he might think ChapaTraitor is cute), in addition to his previous comments that implied that AJ-Strata and I were and that FluffyKitty saw fit to accuse SJ Reidhead of lying.
A rational debate and discussion are impossible when the abusive conditions in comments towards me, AJ, and SJ Reidhead exist and persist, simply because we do not share their irrational obsession with Mexico and/or Mexicans. To be labeled a traitor because I back the President and Senator McCain’s approach to immigration (as do conservatives like Linda Chavez) is insulting, particularly in light of the actions of people like Lynne Stewart (who passed messages to the followers of Omar Abdel-Rahman), the person or persons responsible for forwarding information to al-Qaeda from Rahman’s trial, and whoever it was that leaked the NSA programs to James Risen.
I have better things to do with my life that to try to waste effort to have a rational debate at this point. Pam, if you want a debate, you need to call out the online bullies who make those comments. They seem to enjoy ganging up on those who do not share their irrational obsession over Mexico.
When circumstances permitting rational debate exist on this blog, please let me know. You have my e-mail address. But right now, I do not think they exist.
HCH,
As I suspected you would – you refuse to answer any direct questions, no matter how simple they are.
You don’t want to participate in a debate, that’s obvious.
HCH,
SJReidhead referred to me as an idiot before I responded to her. But that’s OK with you, isn’t it? I think that makes you a hypocrite.
“Irrational obsession with Mexico, or Mexicans” Well see, there you go people. HCH cannot respond to good questions because to even bring it up is irrational. I’m glad to hear that HCH, I’m going to tell my nephew to go back to that violence ridden ELEMENTARY school where the sweet little guys dress in gang attire just like their parents and fight everyone who is not latino. He’ll be glad to know, as you pointed out, that he was just being irrational and he can go back to school now and the kids will all act like civilized human beings,….right? Side note about that incident. When his mother went looking for some home schooling aid, they found her! Evidently, there are a lot of kids in the same position and they had a program all set up. That’s where the other irrational white kids were!
This is so typical of leftists. Here’s how it works. They come up with a bad idea, the real rational people say that’s not a good idea. Then the leftists scream and crap all over themselves calling us bigots and every name in the book and do everything they can to get the idiotic idea passed against everyone elses will. Then they get it done. Not too long after, it becomes apparent that the idea was a really dumb thing to do because the situation has gotten much worse. Then the leftist says, “You know, we only have ourselves to blame, because WE passed the law.” First of all, NO, we have you to blame. And we told you all along what was going to happen. Then, after you think you have seen it all, They come up with the same idea and WANT TO DO IT AGAIN!!!!!! After you point out to them how well it didn’t work last time, and you don’t see any reason why it won’t fail again, then they say, YOU ARE JUST OBSESSING AGAINST MY IDEA! You didn’t like it before and you don’t like it now! Your just the idea bigot and you’re being irrational!
Sound familiar? Let me see now, Kennedy immigration Bill, 1966, Kennedy immigration bill, 1986. Kennedy immigration bill 2006. This is proof positive that leftists are indeed technically insane!
But you don’t hear a counter argument about how you can verify identifications of illegals, how you can process millions of people, each in less than 24 hours. There are no intelligent responses to those problems. They are being irrational!
There you go again, HCH:
HCH: “I will note that Robert again made a treason insinuation (he might think ChapaTraitor is cute), in addition to his previous comments that implied that AJ-Strata and I were…”
ChapaTraitor, for your information, is my name for Ted Kennedy, based on his long record of undermining America plus his criminal behavior at Chappaquiddick. Once again, you extrapolate and twist my posting into something it is not.
All you can do is make weak arguments, then when they are countered you start whining and complaining. You don’t address the points that blow gaping holes in your position, you just ignore them and keep repeating the same crap.
And what’s more I don’t believe you are even a Republican. You are certainly not a Conservative.
Ken #112 I hear you. There is only one acceptable course of action:
1. TURN OFF the magnet.
2. CLOSE the border.
3. Increase penalties for hiring illegals such that few will want to risk it.
4. Deport the criminals.
5. End the anchor babies and chain migration.
6. Let the normal operation of LE gradually pick up and deport others.
After some period, when the above is implemented and we have things under control, then we can start the guest worker program.
Not until then…
AMEN Rob!
Harold C. Hutchinson, clearly these Neocon Neanderthals are not worthy of your intellect. I can see you tried to engage them, but they are not capable of civilized discourse.
We progressives welcome you to our side! You make a lot of sense; your arguments are complete and cutting-edge. You are expert at citing data to support your points, while all the Neocons offer in rebuttal is their angry irrational Xenophobia and obsession with brown-skinned people.
I don’t expect to see you post here any more, but you are very welcome at Kos and moveon.org. Your efforts to assist our objectives have not gone unnoticed and if you keep it up perhaps we may find away to reward you. Just keep websurfing and posting your nuggets of wisdom and information in right-wing blogs and websites wherever you find them.
Some of our Hispanic members especially appreciate your efforts. In fact, they want to give you a Hispanic nickname, in recognition of your support: Julio Aparato Pendejo! Please use it from now on as a sign of recognition of your Hispanic brethren!
You kill me Lenny!