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		<title>By: Bikerken</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/19/the-illegal-immigration-debate-we-need-to-have/comment-page-3/#comment-721334</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikerken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You kill me Lenny!</description>
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		<title>By: Lenny</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/19/the-illegal-immigration-debate-we-need-to-have/comment-page-3/#comment-721333</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold C. Hutchinson, clearly these Neocon Neanderthals are not worthy of your intellect. I can see you tried to engage them, but they are not capable of civilized discourse.

We progressives welcome you to our side! You make a lot of sense; your arguments are complete and cutting-edge. You are expert at citing data to support your points, while all the Neocons offer in rebuttal is their angry irrational Xenophobia and obsession with brown-skinned people.

I don&#039;t expect to see you post here any more, but you are very welcome at Kos and moveon.org. Your efforts to assist our objectives have not gone unnoticed and if you keep it up perhaps we may find  away to reward you. Just keep websurfing and posting your nuggets of wisdom and information in right-wing blogs and websites wherever you find them. 

Some of our Hispanic members especially appreciate your efforts. In fact, they want to give you a Hispanic nickname, in recognition of your support: Julio Aparato Pendejo! Please use it from now on as a sign of recognition of your Hispanic brethren!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold C. Hutchinson, clearly these Neocon Neanderthals are not worthy of your intellect. I can see you tried to engage them, but they are not capable of civilized discourse.</p>
<p>We progressives welcome you to our side! You make a lot of sense; your arguments are complete and cutting-edge. You are expert at citing data to support your points, while all the Neocons offer in rebuttal is their angry irrational Xenophobia and obsession with brown-skinned people.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect to see you post here any more, but you are very welcome at Kos and moveon.org. Your efforts to assist our objectives have not gone unnoticed and if you keep it up perhaps we may find  away to reward you. Just keep websurfing and posting your nuggets of wisdom and information in right-wing blogs and websites wherever you find them. </p>
<p>Some of our Hispanic members especially appreciate your efforts. In fact, they want to give you a Hispanic nickname, in recognition of your support: Julio Aparato Pendejo! Please use it from now on as a sign of recognition of your Hispanic brethren!</p>
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		<title>By: Bikerken</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/19/the-illegal-immigration-debate-we-need-to-have/comment-page-3/#comment-721332</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikerken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN Rob!</description>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/19/the-illegal-immigration-debate-we-need-to-have/comment-page-3/#comment-721331</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken #112 I hear you. There is only one acceptable course of action:

1. TURN OFF the magnet.
2. CLOSE the border.
3. Increase penalties for hiring illegals such that few will want to risk it.
4. Deport the criminals.
5. End the anchor babies and chain migration.
6. Let the normal operation of LE gradually pick up and deport others.

After some period, when the above is implemented and we have things under control, then we can start the guest worker program.

Not until then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken #112 I hear you. There is only one acceptable course of action:</p>
<p>1. TURN OFF the magnet.<br />
2. CLOSE the border.<br />
3. Increase penalties for hiring illegals such that few will want to risk it.<br />
4. Deport the criminals.<br />
5. End the anchor babies and chain migration.<br />
6. Let the normal operation of LE gradually pick up and deport others.</p>
<p>After some period, when the above is implemented and we have things under control, then we can start the guest worker program.</p>
<p>Not until then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There you go again, HCH:

HCH: &quot;I will note that Robert again made a treason insinuation (he might think ChapaTraitor is cute), in addition to his previous comments that implied that AJ-Strata and I were...&quot;

ChapaTraitor, for your information, is my name for Ted Kennedy, based on his long record of undermining America plus his criminal behavior at Chappaquiddick. Once again, you extrapolate and twist my posting into something it is not.

All you can do is make weak arguments, then when they are countered you start whining and complaining. You don&#039;t address the points that blow gaping holes in your position, you just ignore them and keep repeating the same crap. 

And what&#039;s more I don&#039;t believe you are even a Republican. You are certainly not a Conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go again, HCH:</p>
<p>HCH: &#8220;I will note that Robert again made a treason insinuation (he might think ChapaTraitor is cute), in addition to his previous comments that implied that AJ-Strata and I were&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>ChapaTraitor, for your information, is my name for Ted Kennedy, based on his long record of undermining America plus his criminal behavior at Chappaquiddick. Once again, you extrapolate and twist my posting into something it is not.</p>
<p>All you can do is make weak arguments, then when they are countered you start whining and complaining. You don&#8217;t address the points that blow gaping holes in your position, you just ignore them and keep repeating the same crap. </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s more I don&#8217;t believe you are even a Republican. You are certainly not a Conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikerken</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/19/the-illegal-immigration-debate-we-need-to-have/comment-page-3/#comment-721329</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikerken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Irrational obsession with Mexico, or Mexicans&quot;  Well see, there you go people.  HCH cannot respond to good questions because to even bring it up is irrational.  I&#039;m glad to hear that HCH, I&#039;m going to tell my nephew to go back to that violence ridden ELEMENTARY school where the sweet little guys dress in gang attire just like their parents and fight everyone who is not latino.  He&#039;ll be glad to know, as you pointed out, that he was just being irrational and he can go back to school now and the kids will all act like civilized human beings,....right?  Side note about that incident.  When his mother went looking for some home schooling aid, they found her!  Evidently, there are a lot of kids in the same position and they had a program all set up.  That&#039;s where the other irrational white kids were!

This is so typical of leftists.  Here&#039;s how it works.  They come up with a bad idea, the real rational people say that&#039;s not a good idea.  Then the leftists scream and crap all over themselves calling us bigots and every name in the book and do everything they can to get the idiotic idea passed against everyone elses will. Then they get it done.  Not too long after, it becomes apparent that the idea was a really dumb thing to do because the situation has gotten much worse.  Then the leftist says, &quot;You know, we only have ourselves to blame, because WE passed the law.&quot;  First of all, NO, we have you to blame.  And we told you all along what was going to happen.  Then, after you think you have seen it all, They come up with the same idea and WANT TO DO IT AGAIN!!!!!!  After you point out to them how well it didn&#039;t work last time, and you don&#039;t see any reason why it won&#039;t fail again, then they say, YOU ARE JUST OBSESSING AGAINST MY IDEA! You didn&#039;t like it before and you don&#039;t like it now!  Your just the idea bigot and you&#039;re being irrational!

Sound familiar? Let me see now, Kennedy immigration Bill, 1966, Kennedy immigration bill, 1986.  Kennedy immigration bill 2006.  This is proof positive that leftists are indeed technically insane!

But you don&#039;t hear a counter argument about how you can verify identifications of illegals, how you can process millions of people, each in less than 24 hours.  There are no intelligent responses to those problems.  They are being irrational!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Irrational obsession with Mexico, or Mexicans&#8221;  Well see, there you go people.  HCH cannot respond to good questions because to even bring it up is irrational.  I&#8217;m glad to hear that HCH, I&#8217;m going to tell my nephew to go back to that violence ridden ELEMENTARY school where the sweet little guys dress in gang attire just like their parents and fight everyone who is not latino.  He&#8217;ll be glad to know, as you pointed out, that he was just being irrational and he can go back to school now and the kids will all act like civilized human beings,&#8230;.right?  Side note about that incident.  When his mother went looking for some home schooling aid, they found her!  Evidently, there are a lot of kids in the same position and they had a program all set up.  That&#8217;s where the other irrational white kids were!</p>
<p>This is so typical of leftists.  Here&#8217;s how it works.  They come up with a bad idea, the real rational people say that&#8217;s not a good idea.  Then the leftists scream and crap all over themselves calling us bigots and every name in the book and do everything they can to get the idiotic idea passed against everyone elses will. Then they get it done.  Not too long after, it becomes apparent that the idea was a really dumb thing to do because the situation has gotten much worse.  Then the leftist says, &#8220;You know, we only have ourselves to blame, because WE passed the law.&#8221;  First of all, NO, we have you to blame.  And we told you all along what was going to happen.  Then, after you think you have seen it all, They come up with the same idea and WANT TO DO IT AGAIN!!!!!!  After you point out to them how well it didn&#8217;t work last time, and you don&#8217;t see any reason why it won&#8217;t fail again, then they say, YOU ARE JUST OBSESSING AGAINST MY IDEA! You didn&#8217;t like it before and you don&#8217;t like it now!  Your just the idea bigot and you&#8217;re being irrational!</p>
<p>Sound familiar? Let me see now, Kennedy immigration Bill, 1966, Kennedy immigration bill, 1986.  Kennedy immigration bill 2006.  This is proof positive that leftists are indeed technically insane!</p>
<p>But you don&#8217;t hear a counter argument about how you can verify identifications of illegals, how you can process millions of people, each in less than 24 hours.  There are no intelligent responses to those problems.  They are being irrational!</p>
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		<title>By: Fluffy Kitty</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/19/the-illegal-immigration-debate-we-need-to-have/comment-page-3/#comment-721328</link>
		<dc:creator>Fluffy Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HCH,
SJReidhead referred to me as an idiot before I responded to her.  But that&#039;s OK with you, isn&#039;t it?  I think that makes you a hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HCH,<br />
SJReidhead referred to me as an idiot before I responded to her.  But that&#8217;s OK with you, isn&#8217;t it?  I think that makes you a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: Fluffy Kitty</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/19/the-illegal-immigration-debate-we-need-to-have/comment-page-3/#comment-721327</link>
		<dc:creator>Fluffy Kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HCH,
As I suspected you would - you refuse to answer any direct questions, no matter how simple they are.

You don&#039;t want to participate in a debate, that&#039;s obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HCH,<br />
As I suspected you would &#8211; you refuse to answer any direct questions, no matter how simple they are.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want to participate in a debate, that&#8217;s obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold C. Hutchison</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/19/the-illegal-immigration-debate-we-need-to-have/comment-page-3/#comment-721326</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold C. Hutchison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, FluffyKitty, I had better things to do - and something called a life away from this.

I will note that Robert again made a treason insinuation (he might think ChapaTraitor is cute), in addition to his previous comments that implied that AJ-Strata and I were and that FluffyKitty saw fit to accuse SJ Reidhead of lying.

A rational debate and discussion are impossible when the abusive conditions in comments towards me, AJ, and SJ Reidhead exist and persist, simply because we do not share their irrational obsession with Mexico and/or Mexicans. To be labeled a traitor because I back the President and Senator McCain&#039;s approach to immigration (as do conservatives like Linda Chavez) is insulting, particularly in light of the actions of people like Lynne Stewart (who passed messages to the followers of Omar Abdel-Rahman), the person or persons responsible for forwarding information to al-Qaeda from Rahman&#039;s trial, and whoever it was that leaked the NSA programs to James Risen.

I have better things to do with my life that to try to waste effort to have a rational debate at this point. Pam, if you want a debate, you need to call out the online bullies who make those comments. They seem to enjoy ganging up on those who do not share their irrational obsession over Mexico. 

When circumstances permitting rational debate exist on this blog, please let me know. You have my e-mail address. But right now, I do not think they exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, FluffyKitty, I had better things to do &#8211; and something called a life away from this.</p>
<p>I will note that Robert again made a treason insinuation (he might think ChapaTraitor is cute), in addition to his previous comments that implied that AJ-Strata and I were and that FluffyKitty saw fit to accuse SJ Reidhead of lying.</p>
<p>A rational debate and discussion are impossible when the abusive conditions in comments towards me, AJ, and SJ Reidhead exist and persist, simply because we do not share their irrational obsession with Mexico and/or Mexicans. To be labeled a traitor because I back the President and Senator McCain&#8217;s approach to immigration (as do conservatives like Linda Chavez) is insulting, particularly in light of the actions of people like Lynne Stewart (who passed messages to the followers of Omar Abdel-Rahman), the person or persons responsible for forwarding information to al-Qaeda from Rahman&#8217;s trial, and whoever it was that leaked the NSA programs to James Risen.</p>
<p>I have better things to do with my life that to try to waste effort to have a rational debate at this point. Pam, if you want a debate, you need to call out the online bullies who make those comments. They seem to enjoy ganging up on those who do not share their irrational obsession over Mexico. </p>
<p>When circumstances permitting rational debate exist on this blog, please let me know. You have my e-mail address. But right now, I do not think they exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Bikerken</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/04/19/the-illegal-immigration-debate-we-need-to-have/comment-page-3/#comment-721325</link>
		<dc:creator>Bikerken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, They don&#039;t care.  If you ever read AJ Strata&#039;s website when he discusses the illegal immigration problem, there is absolutely no logic to his positions whatsover.  He just says LOL alot and repeats the same old delusions. He really seems to believe that the CIRB was an improvement on the situation we have now.  You were right above that bad legistlation is worse than none.  I keep wondering what his stake in this is.  There are only three types of people who supported this bill, Hispanics who want to see a more hispanic America, people who have no idea what a problem illegal immigration is because it has not impacted their life or it has and they are really stupid, and the third group is people who are making money off it.  I too am damned sick and tired of people who live in gated communities around the beltway who have illegal nannies and gardeners telling those of us who live like I do, (there are probably close to two million illegals within 150 miles of me), to just shut up and allow our country to be over run because they like their nanny and gardner.  

Oh, Fluffy, Thanks for the link on the side.  Sent you a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, They don&#8217;t care.  If you ever read AJ Strata&#8217;s website when he discusses the illegal immigration problem, there is absolutely no logic to his positions whatsover.  He just says LOL alot and repeats the same old delusions. He really seems to believe that the CIRB was an improvement on the situation we have now.  You were right above that bad legistlation is worse than none.  I keep wondering what his stake in this is.  There are only three types of people who supported this bill, Hispanics who want to see a more hispanic America, people who have no idea what a problem illegal immigration is because it has not impacted their life or it has and they are really stupid, and the third group is people who are making money off it.  I too am damned sick and tired of people who live in gated communities around the beltway who have illegal nannies and gardeners telling those of us who live like I do, (there are probably close to two million illegals within 150 miles of me), to just shut up and allow our country to be over run because they like their nanny and gardner.  </p>
<p>Oh, Fluffy, Thanks for the link on the side.  Sent you a response.</p>
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