Comments on: UPDATED:How Incompetent Is This Congress Led By San Fran Nan? UPDATE: Did Democrats argue that Congress can hide legislation from the President? http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/ in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane. Sun, 08 Aug 2010 14:43:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Pam http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-723197 Pam Tue, 27 May 2008 21:55:07 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-723197 David, They don't get Federal NCLB funds, but they still get their state funds, and in many cases, federal funds that are not charged to the NCLB account. I am happy to see that the largest inner city school district has quit fighting the testing and instead has begun focusing on the teachers and the parents. The Superintendent is an African American male brought in from I believe Baltimore. His attitude has been that we aren't producing results at $6700 per head, what is throwing money at the problem going to do for us? He is tired of excuses and wants realistic goals to be set and met. He wants qualified teachers to teach the subjects they are assigned. He wants parental participation. A bunch of foundations just donated a prepatory high school to the city. It will be free...The curriculum will be tough, but worth the effort on the part of the students. David,

They don’t get Federal NCLB funds, but they still get their state funds, and in many cases, federal funds that are not charged to the NCLB account.

I am happy to see that the largest inner city school district has quit fighting the testing and instead has begun focusing on the teachers and the parents. The Superintendent is an African American male brought in from I believe Baltimore. His attitude has been that we aren’t producing results at $6700 per head, what is throwing money at the problem going to do for us? He is tired of excuses and wants realistic goals to be set and met. He wants qualified teachers to teach the subjects they are assigned. He wants parental participation. A bunch of foundations just donated a prepatory high school to the city. It will be free…The curriculum will be tough, but worth the effort on the part of the students.

]]> By: David http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-723172 David Tue, 27 May 2008 15:23:41 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-723172 Pam, Your response is indeed the reason why I blog and that is to learn. I went to a similar highschool in a state to the west of you (I'm about the same age) and it was largely mainstreamed with the ultimate goal of getting everyone to college who wanted it. In my kids school today, there is so much focused on the tests that actually learning something is what gets left behind. I currently live in NYC and for Bush and Congress to blithly say "Poorly performing schools will not get funding" isn't fair to the rest of us who have to send our kids there. The few nickels I'd get for sending my kids to private school wouldn't make up the difference in cost for tuition and transportation in getting them to school. Let's face it, the kids that really need to do well in school are not my kids where my wife and I are very involved in their learning. The kids who are poor and from single-parent homes are the ones that statistically need to get schooling or they will drop out. Private schools are less of an option there. I know Bush was attributed to turning around high schools in Texas with similar methods, but there are many things that can and should be done at the state level that the federal government shouldn't be involved in. The darker side, I feel is that Bush had a lot of well-heeled supporters that already had their kids in private schools and this worked out as a nice thank you to them. Thanks for bloggin' David Pam,
Your response is indeed the reason why I blog and that is to learn. I went to a similar highschool in a state to the west of you (I’m about the same age) and it was largely mainstreamed with the ultimate goal of getting everyone to college who wanted it.
In my kids school today, there is so much focused on the tests that actually learning something is what gets left behind. I currently live in NYC and for Bush and Congress to blithly say “Poorly performing schools will not get funding” isn’t fair to the rest of us who have to send our kids there. The few nickels I’d get for sending my kids to private school wouldn’t make up the difference in cost for tuition and transportation in getting them to school. Let’s face it, the kids that really need to do well in school are not my kids where my wife and I are very involved in their learning. The kids who are poor and from single-parent homes are the ones that statistically need to get schooling or they will drop out. Private schools are less of an option there.
I know Bush was attributed to turning around high schools in Texas with similar methods, but there are many things that can and should be done at the state level that the federal government shouldn’t be involved in.
The darker side, I feel is that Bush had a lot of well-heeled supporters that already had their kids in private schools and this worked out as a nice thank you to them.
Thanks for bloggin’
David

]]> By: Pam http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-723158 Pam Tue, 27 May 2008 12:01:15 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-723158 Actually David, NCLB was funded, but not in the way that schools wanted the d\funding, therefore create the lie that it was never funded and people ran with it... Schools were getting their funding, but only schools that achieved got the additional funds, not the failing schools..it was like a reward for those making or already at desired levels and a way to weed out the failing schools and send the students from that failing school into one that is achieving the desired grades. I am not sure how old you are, but I am 43. I attended one of the top public high schools in MI. From the minute we sat in that very first desk in the first grade, we were being prepared for college. It wasn't if you went, it was when you went. It wasn't if you could afford it, it was our guidance team will assist a family to get the necessary loans, grants and scholarships to assure that each student attended college. Back in the late 60's and early 70's, we knew that the days of getting a good paying job without a college education were numbered. We were tested on a regular basis, the difference was that there was no hoopla surrounding the tests. There was no warning to the kids, we just came in and took standardized tests. I look back at all of my old class photos and those of my siblings, and guess what? We had minimum 25 students per class, but we learned and no one ever complained. In those days, schools, at least mine, did the right thing and pulled those that were struggling as well as those that weren't challenged, gave them some special assignments and one on one attention to their needs..it was nothing out of the ordinary for those pulled that were struggling, to come back and rank in the top of the class. Today, we see a union fighting a program that is necessary in today's education. My beef with NCLB is that it left loopholes for educators to take advantage of. Minority students aren't counted in the testing. When NCLB was passed, 60+% of African American males in the 3rd grade could not read at a 3rd grade level. (Reading is fundamental to learning.) We have an alarming statistic begging for attention, so we pass legislation to correct the problem..well except for those black kids that can't read! A woman in Oak Park, IL sued when she found out that her kids weren't included in the test scores. They are used to bring in extra funds from the state, just not good enough with their perfect scores to be used on a test average! Actually David, NCLB was funded, but not in the way that schools wanted the d\funding, therefore create the lie that it was never funded and people ran with it…

Schools were getting their funding, but only schools that achieved got the additional funds, not the failing schools..it was like a reward for those making or already at desired levels and a way to weed out the failing schools and send the students from that failing school into one that is achieving the desired grades.

I am not sure how old you are, but I am 43. I attended one of the top public high schools in MI. From the minute we sat in that very first desk in the first grade, we were being prepared for college. It wasn’t if you went, it was when you went. It wasn’t if you could afford it, it was our guidance team will assist a family to get the necessary loans, grants and scholarships to assure that each student attended college. Back in the late 60′s and early 70′s, we knew that the days of getting a good paying job without a college education were numbered. We were tested on a regular basis, the difference was that there was no hoopla surrounding the tests. There was no warning to the kids, we just came in and took standardized tests. I look back at all of my old class photos and those of my siblings, and guess what? We had minimum 25 students per class, but we learned and no one ever complained. In those days, schools, at least mine, did the right thing and pulled those that were struggling as well as those that weren’t challenged, gave them some special assignments and one on one attention to their needs..it was nothing out of the ordinary for those pulled that were struggling, to come back and rank in the top of the class.

Today, we see a union fighting a program that is necessary in today’s education. My beef with NCLB is that it left loopholes for educators to take advantage of. Minority students aren’t counted in the testing. When NCLB was passed, 60+% of African American males in the 3rd grade could not read at a 3rd grade level. (Reading is fundamental to learning.) We have an alarming statistic begging for attention, so we pass legislation to correct the problem..well except for those black kids that can’t read!

A woman in Oak Park, IL sued when she found out that her kids weren’t included in the test scores. They are used to bring in extra funds from the state, just not good enough with their perfect scores to be used on a test average!

]]> By: BonBon http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-723155 BonBon Tue, 27 May 2008 11:10:13 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-723155 David. No Child Left Behind was legislation originating from Ted Kennedy. David. No Child Left Behind was legislation originating from Ted Kennedy.

]]> By: David http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-723146 David Tue, 27 May 2008 07:34:30 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-723146 Generally a rate cut will lead to more economic activity and ultimately more for the goverment in general, but only to a point. My beef is that the President made no provision either way and chose not to handle it at all. This I consider very irresponsible and is something my kids will pay for. Not to mention other Bush mandates that were never funded, like "No Child Left Behind". David Generally a rate cut will lead to more economic activity and ultimately more for the goverment in general, but only to a point. My beef is that the President made no provision either way and chose not to handle it at all. This I consider very irresponsible and is something my kids will pay for. Not to mention other Bush mandates that were never funded, like “No Child Left Behind”.
David

]]> By: FrmrArtyOffcr http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-723068 FrmrArtyOffcr Mon, 26 May 2008 05:25:24 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-723068 Just finished a good book on US Army Special Forces (Green Beret) operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. From what I read in the book, our guys found a lot of training material on Chemical weapons in an Ansar Al Islam training camp just this side of the Iranian border and the people in the camp weren't Iraqis. They were from all over the middle east and had connections to Al Quaeda and possibly the Iraqi intelligence service, though that purpose of that connection is unknown. Whether the Iraqi intelligence service was trying to infiltrate them or recruit them wasn't discernible from what I read. The camp was situated in such a location as to allow the leaders and as many fighters as possible to skip across the border to the relative safety of Iran. The book was called "Masters of Chaos" It was written by a reporter who had unprecedented cooperation from the US Army Special Forces. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in how the Green Berets are actually supposed to work versus the BS that gets printed about them in the press. Just finished a good book on US Army Special Forces (Green Beret) operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. From what I read in the book, our guys found a lot of training material on Chemical weapons in an Ansar Al Islam training camp just this side of the Iranian border and the people in the camp weren’t Iraqis. They were from all over the middle east and had connections to Al Quaeda and possibly the Iraqi intelligence service, though that purpose of that connection is unknown. Whether the Iraqi intelligence service was trying to infiltrate them or recruit them wasn’t discernible from what I read. The camp was situated in such a location as to allow the leaders and as many fighters as possible to skip across the border to the relative safety of Iran. The book was called “Masters of Chaos” It was written by a reporter who had unprecedented cooperation from the US Army Special Forces. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in how the Green Berets are actually supposed to work versus the BS that gets printed about them in the press.

]]> By: FrmrArtyOffcr http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-722922 FrmrArtyOffcr Sat, 24 May 2008 04:44:09 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-722922 Actually the tax rate cuts were a good thing, especially with a war on. Tax RATE cuts almost always lead to increased revenues. We have had record high revenues the last couple of years. The real problem has been the out of control spending. I just don't understand how people who claim that conserving will solve our energy deficit, insist on increasing taxes is necessary to solve our fiscal one. History shows that reduced tax rates lead to increased tax revenues (actual money coming into the treasury) because of the additional investment and production that leaving the money in the private sector produces. I like the farmer analogy. The more seeds a farmer has to plant, the more crops he can grow. The more crops he harvests, the more seeds he has to plant. In a manufacturing model it would be the more capital an entrepreneur has to start his business, the bigger it can become. The bigger it becomes, the more capital the entrepreneur has to invest in making it bigger. Actually the tax rate cuts were a good thing, especially with a war on. Tax RATE cuts almost always lead to increased revenues. We have had record high revenues the last couple of years. The real problem has been the out of control spending. I just don’t understand how people who claim that conserving will solve our energy deficit, insist on increasing taxes is necessary to solve our fiscal one. History shows that reduced tax rates lead to increased tax revenues (actual money coming into the treasury) because of the additional investment and production that leaving the money in the private sector produces. I like the farmer analogy. The more seeds a farmer has to plant, the more crops he can grow. The more crops he harvests, the more seeds he has to plant. In a manufacturing model it would be the more capital an entrepreneur has to start his business, the bigger it can become. The bigger it becomes, the more capital the entrepreneur has to invest in making it bigger.

]]> By: David http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-722880 David Fri, 23 May 2008 16:07:37 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-722880 Correct and thanks for reminding me of the Cole. That underscores the fact that there were other events between '93 and '01. China had forced down one of our spy planes and it sat on the tarmac for awhile while we tried to explain that one. Not so much of a terrorist thing because it was done by an established government where the others, as you point out, were attacks that didn't need any Army to carry out. David Correct and thanks for reminding me of the Cole. That underscores the fact that there were other events between ’93 and ’01. China had forced down one of our spy planes and it sat on the tarmac for awhile while we tried to explain that one. Not so much of a terrorist thing because it was done by an established government where the others, as you point out, were attacks that didn’t need any Army to carry out.
David

]]> By: Pam http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-722875 Pam Fri, 23 May 2008 15:59:20 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-722875 11- But what about the embassies and the USS Cole? Let's not forget that in each case, it was an act of aggression. They didn't need an Army to carry out the attacks. 11- But what about the embassies and the USS Cole? Let’s not forget that in each case, it was an act of aggression. They didn’t need an Army to carry out the attacks.

]]> By: David http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/comment-page-1/#comment-722873 David Fri, 23 May 2008 15:54:37 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/05/22/how-incopetentent-is-this-congress-led-by-san-fran-nan/#comment-722873 I agree with the fact that he felt he had to use the WMD thing in order to get the ball rolling. My point exactly. Now he's in the quagmire because of it. Just stupid. Add to the fact that let's do some more tax cuts because the war will get financed by...opps, he forgot about that one. Very easy to play Santa Claus. As for the terms of the original Gulf War, he'd violated the no-fly zone several times over the previous decade, and several times Clinton gave the go ahead to shoot the idiots down. David I agree with the fact that he felt he had to use the WMD thing in order to get the ball rolling. My point exactly. Now he’s in the quagmire because of it. Just stupid. Add to the fact that let’s do some more tax cuts because the war will get financed by…opps, he forgot about that one. Very easy to play Santa Claus.
As for the terms of the original Gulf War, he’d violated the no-fly zone several times over the previous decade, and several times Clinton gave the go ahead to shoot the idiots down.
David

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