Comments on: UPDATED:SCOTUS: Gitmo Prisoners Have Rights Under The Constitution To Challenge Their Detention In U.S. Civilian Courts. http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/ in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane. Tue, 09 Mar 2010 01:52:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: NY-David http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724419 NY-David Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:58:37 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724419 My mis-com. I meant a surge in Afghanistan, although I entirely disagree on your post NYD My mis-com. I meant a surge in Afghanistan, although I entirely disagree on your post
NYD

]]> By: Robert http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724416 Robert Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:17:05 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724416 If we had a surge here I'd suggest we invade Berzerkely and San FranFreako to restore Democracy. Then remove some Supreme Court Justices by force to restore overall Democracy. If we had a surge here I’d suggest we invade Berzerkely and San FranFreako to restore Democracy. Then remove some Supreme Court Justices by force to restore overall Democracy.

]]> By: NY-David http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724414 NY-David Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:46:54 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724414 37 - You are correct in your assertion that it takes many years for a country to stablize. Elements of our Revolutionary War were still out at sea at the turn of the century (Privateer ships). My point is that if the prison wasn't secured, what eles isn't? Perhaps a surge in forces should be called for here as well. Overall Iraq has gotten the lion's share of the attention and the 9/11 hijackers didn't even come from there. As we are responsible for maintaining security in Iraq until they get on their feet (and its not going to happen overnight, as we've now seen), we have the same responsibilty in Afghanistan. I respectfully disagree with you that the Taliban was trying to overthrow the government. In many facets, they were the government. And, yes, you just heard a Liberal suggest a surge. NY-David 37 – You are correct in your assertion that it takes many years for a country to stablize. Elements of our Revolutionary War were still out at sea at the turn of the century (Privateer ships). My point is that if the prison wasn’t secured, what eles isn’t? Perhaps a surge in forces should be called for here as well. Overall Iraq has gotten the lion’s share of the attention and the 9/11 hijackers didn’t even come from there. As we are responsible for maintaining security in Iraq until they get on their feet (and its not going to happen overnight, as we’ve now seen), we have the same responsibilty in Afghanistan. I respectfully disagree with you that the Taliban was trying to overthrow the government. In many facets, they were the government.
And, yes, you just heard a Liberal suggest a surge.
NY-David

]]> By: FrmrArtyOffcr http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724409 FrmrArtyOffcr Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:10:46 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724409 And what exactly does the Taliban taking over a prison in Afghanistan have to do with the US? We are not in charge of the prisons in Afghanistan. That is the role of the Afghani government. To blame Bush because the Afghani government isn't capable of securing its own prisons is ludicrous. Now the Afghani government has to deal with the Taliban trying to overthrow the government... AGAIN. David, if you look at the history of ANY war in which a corrupt regime was overthrown and an insurgency/civil war ensued, it was almost never over in under 10 years. There are plenty of examples of this in Central America. Nicaragua and El Salvador come to mind. Our own Revolution ran from 1775 until 1783. And that wasn't involving a bunch of people armed with Ak-47s running rampant trying to regain their power. If it takes 8 years to win a war against a bunch of people who don't necessarily want to fight to retain power (Hessian mercenaries and British conscripts) and armed with muskets, how much longer would it take if they did want to regain power and were armed with AKs and RPGs? And what exactly does the Taliban taking over a prison in Afghanistan have to do with the US? We are not in charge of the prisons in Afghanistan. That is the role of the Afghani government. To blame Bush because the Afghani government isn’t capable of securing its own prisons is ludicrous. Now the Afghani government has to deal with the Taliban trying to overthrow the government… AGAIN. David, if you look at the history of ANY war in which a corrupt regime was overthrown and an insurgency/civil war ensued, it was almost never over in under 10 years. There are plenty of examples of this in Central America. Nicaragua and El Salvador come to mind. Our own Revolution ran from 1775 until 1783. And that wasn’t involving a bunch of people armed with Ak-47s running rampant trying to regain their power. If it takes 8 years to win a war against a bunch of people who don’t necessarily want to fight to retain power (Hessian mercenaries and British conscripts) and armed with muskets, how much longer would it take if they did want to regain power and were armed with AKs and RPGs?

]]> By: carolyne http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724351 carolyne Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:51:41 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724351 Thanks Bon Bon - just heard a Brigadier General speak at a meeting - got the correct info on the Military. I would believe him over the SFL any day which uses excuse after excuse, skits issues mainly fooling himself, which is easy to do. Obama is even more CLUELESS like Robert says than the SFL, if that is even possible. They may be running neck and neck, not to ever reach the finish line, only in a Vicious Circle. Obama only knows the Muslim way of military force, murder the women and children first then the men can do as they please. OOPS, what happened we aborted all girl baby's, NOW WHAT THE . . . . DO WE DO?? :(( Thanks Bon Bon – just heard a Brigadier General speak at a meeting – got the correct info on the Military. I would believe him over the SFL any day which uses excuse after excuse, skits issues mainly fooling himself, which is easy to do. Obama is even more CLUELESS like Robert says than the SFL, if that is even possible. They may be running neck and neck, not to ever reach the finish line, only in a Vicious Circle. Obama only knows the Muslim way of military force, murder the women and children first then the men can do as they please. OOPS, what happened we aborted all girl baby’s, NOW WHAT THE . . . . DO WE DO?? :((

]]> By: NY-David http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724341 NY-David Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:12:46 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724341 PCD - Whatever. FAO makes good points and I learn something occasionaly. You just make useless rhetoric. 33- Good point. Their hope currently would be to go to Afghanistan. Taliban took over a prison recently and let out its occcupants. Thanks again, GWB. Never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. This time by taking your eye off the ball in Afghanistan, we've lost in more ways then one. NYD PCD – Whatever. FAO makes good points and I learn something occasionaly. You just make useless rhetoric.

33- Good point. Their hope currently would be to go to Afghanistan. Taliban took over a prison recently and let out its occcupants. Thanks again, GWB. Never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. This time by taking your eye off the ball in Afghanistan, we’ve lost in more ways then one.
NYD

]]> By: PCD http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724314 PCD Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:38:19 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724314 25, David, you and SFL prove you don't know what the Hell you are talking about. FAO schools you in #33. The only reason I said what I said in 23 is that libs do not understand and accept the real world until it happens up close and personal. 25, David, you and SFL prove you don’t know what the Hell you are talking about. FAO schools you in #33.

The only reason I said what I said in 23 is that libs do not understand and accept the real world until it happens up close and personal.

]]> By: FrmrArtyOffcr http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724312 FrmrArtyOffcr Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:28:05 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724312 #27 David, you are almost right. They are called "combatants" because under the Geneva Conventions they do not qualify for the title of "prisoner of war". To qualify as a POW, they have to meet the guidelines set forth in the Geneva Conventions for LAWFUL combatants. They don't. Their actual title should be "Unlawful Combatants" but that, like "Illegal Aliens", is sanitized by the media to conceal their true nature. Under the Geneva Conventions, any combatant that doesn't wear a uniform or indentifying insignia, doesn't have an identifiable chain of command, carry ID, carry their weapons openly, and/or intentionally attacks civilian targets is violating the rules of the Geneva Conventions and are considered "Unlawful Combatants" and are to be treated the same as saboteurs. That means that under international law, they are to be afforded a military tribunal convened by the theater commander or his designated representatives and if their status as an unlawful combatant is confirmed, they may be executed at the convening authorities discretion. With the recent Supreme Court decision, I'd give the liberals what they want, I'd return the combatants to the theater of operations, and turn them over to the Afghani and Iraqi governments. They'll sing like canaries to get back to Gitmo rather than be turned over to the Afghani or Iraqi Government for adjudication and punishment. I would guess that most of them would be hanging from a palace wall within the next 6 weeks of being turned over. Great line from the TV series "Jericho" "Torture doesn't get the truth, FEAR of torture does." #27 David, you are almost right. They are called “combatants” because under the Geneva Conventions they do not qualify for the title of “prisoner of war”. To qualify as a POW, they have to meet the guidelines set forth in the Geneva Conventions for LAWFUL combatants. They don’t. Their actual title should be “Unlawful Combatants” but that, like “Illegal Aliens”, is sanitized by the media to conceal their true nature. Under the Geneva Conventions, any combatant that doesn’t wear a uniform or indentifying insignia, doesn’t have an identifiable chain of command, carry ID, carry their weapons openly, and/or intentionally attacks civilian targets is violating the rules of the Geneva Conventions and are considered “Unlawful Combatants” and are to be treated the same as saboteurs. That means that under international law, they are to be afforded a military tribunal convened by the theater commander or his designated representatives and if their status as an unlawful combatant is confirmed, they may be executed at the convening authorities discretion.

With the recent Supreme Court decision, I’d give the liberals what they want, I’d return the combatants to the theater of operations, and turn them over to the Afghani and Iraqi governments. They’ll sing like canaries to get back to Gitmo rather than be turned over to the Afghani or Iraqi Government for adjudication and punishment. I would guess that most of them would be hanging from a palace wall within the next 6 weeks of being turned over. Great line from the TV series “Jericho” “Torture doesn’t get the truth, FEAR of torture does.”

]]> By: Robert http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724301 Robert Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:31:33 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724301 Obama doesn't have the slightest clue about the Military; military life, military training, esprit. He doesn't even understand enough to make a useful assessment. Obama doesn’t have the slightest clue about the Military; military life, military training, esprit. He doesn’t even understand enough to make a useful assessment.

]]> By: BonBon http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-724300 BonBon Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:10:40 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2008/06/12/scotus-gitmo-prisoners-have-rights-under-the-constitution-to-challenge-their-detention-in-us-civilian-courts/#comment-724300 Carolyn...you keep raggin' girlfriend =d> I've been away and trying to catch up myself. Hope your weekend is going well. Carolyn…you keep raggin’ girlfriend =d>

I’ve been away and trying to catch up myself. Hope your weekend is going well.

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