It’s the other way around, ‘Die (IF) Obama’ Not me ever Obama – I will not listen to a word BO and Hillary say in their talks together, wouldn’t believe a word anyway. All they are is lying politicians to the Hilt-lary – trying to pay off the BIG debt – what a waste!!! Let Obama pay it, Uncle Wright, or his elitist movie star fans, who cares! I’m not impressed, I’m fully disgusted with all the Demorats, and the Mafia Media. Obama is so far from the truth and a decent canidate it’s not even funny. His campaign (pain) is a disgrace to our country!! A Mockery!
McCain all the way – keeping it the White House. **==
Boy that MO bitch is out there isn’t she! Actually bitch is too good of name for MO – hate to insult a dog. Hope she opens her big fishy mouth and screws up as usual. All for Hilt-Lary now, well, well, do tell. What hypocrites going from one extreme to another. Only a fool would believe any of this crap? :-@:-@:-@:-@:-@
I bet Carolyne is a WHITE woman, yes i said it White lil bitch .Only an ignorant person would say something like that. I believe that Barack Obama is hope, he is change. This country was built with the sweat and whip off the slaves back, and now a descendant of those same slaves has a chance to lead the same country where we weren’t even considered to be people,where we weren’t allowed to be educated, drink from the same water fountains, eat in the same restaurants, or even vote. So you damn right, I’m going to vote for him! So Obama or Die!!!!!!
Last time I checked a history book, in the beginning, a black man was 3/5th more of a person than a woman was. Not allowed to be educated? Have you ever picked up a history book? Studied the history of ‘black’ universites in this country? Are you ignorant enough to not know that blacks were being educated prior to Brown vs B.O.E.? The graduation rates of blacks was far greater before “The Great Society”. This country was built off the sweat of many many people, blacks and whites alike. Obama’s white ancestors were a part of this history, but not the black African portion..
Pam..Pam…Pam…..you have learned nothing.Let me ask you a question, The history book that you so called “studied” who wrote it? I can answer that for you a white person. Pam I want you to study a history book written by a black man. There you will learn the truth because what you do know is pure wack. You only know what the white people wanted you to know. I graduated from a Historically Black College and i damn sure know my history but its obvious that you don’t know yours. I think that you need to go back into the history books and look again. Real Talk
Real Talk- There is no way that you graduated from any Black College because you are too ignorant to know the history! Are you asking who wrote the Constitution? Is that what you are asking? The 3/5 of a man rule is right in it.
As for truth? What truth? The one that is actually real, or the one that you have made up to fit your belief?
Try reading some of Lawrence Graham’s work. One of my favorite books is: OUR KIND OF PEOPLE…Inside America’s Black Upper Class.
I’ll tell you how stupid “Real Talk” is. Unless Obama’s mother was descended from Jewish slaves, Obama is not descended from slaves. Obama’s father is a Kenyan!
In fact, there is doubt that Obama was even born in the US. The birth certificate the Obama campaign is showing is Photoshop fake!
A review of Michelle Obama’s Princeton thesis suggests she is a racist and separatist at her very core. It all falls into place now, how she and B.O. could sit in that “church” for 20 years with the likes of Jeremiah Wright. They would not have been able to do that if his message did not resonate.
Folks, these people are racists and separatists. They have been outed.
It is a shame the race card has been played to the degree it has. I have great friends black and white that feel the same way. I feel sorry, that Uncle Wright, MO and of course the “innocent” ? OBAMA THAT KEEPS HIS DIRTY HANDS CLEAN, hiding behind his uncle and wife (yea, innocent as sin, in his Muslim father’s dreams) . . . I repeat,
I feel sorry, for those who have suffered for this whole fiasco of an election, it is nothing but arrogant greed of the Demorats, Liberals, Racists, etc. stirring up the Echos of the Past, that have no baring on the issues at hand. Our Country should be the Focus, not BO or MO! Obama is no uniter, BO is a divider. ‘Meaner than a junk yard dog.’ and he has plenty of company.
Hark: Do I hear the gnashing of teeth? :-j
Hey, PCD – why can’t this birth certificate fake be revealed and someone press that issue? It needs to be investigated as to what is going on. Who is behind the cover up? Of course we know why, so who could get this info? OK guys, anyone got any ideas! Thanks, love Right Voices, and for those of whom I get under your skin, well I am glad. Makes my day! >:d<
Real Talk – I’d be interested in what history books were used in the college you went to. Since most history books are devoid of the major contributions of Black people in the US… slightly off topic.
Back to topic. Recall that P. Diddy only speaks for a small amount of people. If he’s going to add death to his chant as he did before, then he’s a real idiot
Well Righties, we have our own idiots on the left as well.
Great point. The history of Black Americans is a fascinating study. I get frustrated because we have generations of people, black and white, that don’t know anything about the topic. Example: people seem to think that civil rights began with MLK, never once considering the fact that he was but one and that many people paved the road for which he walked.
10, Carolyn, look at the fake the Obama campaign passes. In the lower left of the form it says, “Laser Form”. Hawaii didn’t have lasers when Obama was born. Also, the state seal is not embossed in the fake as it would be in a real Hawaii birth certificate.
Not only that, Mohammar Khadaffi is saying that Obama is a Kenyan muslim. Think he might be telling the truth???
Was Obama’s “Certificate of Birth” manufactured?The Daily Kos blog has posted a JPG that allegedly is Barack Obama’s “Certificate of Birth.” From a detailed analysis of the image and the text, it looks like it was created by a graphics program, and is not a true copy of an original, certified document.
I’ve been working with computers, printers, and typewriters for over 20 years, and given a set of printed letters, I can discern what kind of device made them. Printer output is quite different from the text created by a graphics program, and even if a document looks “official,” it may not be.[...] At the bottom of the JPG image, reading right from left, one can see following text:
OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) Laser This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]
There are a lot of problems with this statement, foremost of which is that the text in this document were produced by a graphics program and not a laser print, or any other printer, for that matter.
If the letters were made by a laser printer, you would be able to see the background, the pattern, through the spaces of the letters.
Here’s a genuine copy of a real certificate of birth — my own:
[...]When text is entered via a graphics program, the pattern cannot be seen without noticeable distortion. However, when text is entered with a computer printer or typewriter, you can clearly see the pattern below the letters.
Here is a segment of the COB showing the letters, “Certificat” (from the “Certification” field) enlarged about: 500%:[...]The fuzzy outline is a dead giveaway that these letters were made by a graphics program. Also a dead giveaway is that the letters still retain a sharp outline. With printed or typed text, there is a clearly definable characteristic of a symmetrical shadow when the image is saved at a lower resolution, that is, a more compressed JPG file.
Here is the word, “Certification,” from my certificate of birth enlarged :As you can see, there is virtually no distortion and no pixelation around the letters, and no dropouts from the background. The most noticeable pixelation and dropouts from the background can be seen in the Barack’s father’s name “HUSSEIN” on the COB:[...]Take a look at the area between the “S’s in “HUSSEIN.” No hint of any background color. Plenty of grey and white pixels — exactly what would result from enlarging text entered with a graphics program.
WAIT, there is an even bigger red herring here. All of the type on this document was produced by the same program.
Whatever made the text for all of the headings also made the text for all of the entries.
What’s wrong with that?
Well, only that real certificates are created ahead of time by a commercial printer, or, at least, a different printer than the one used to create the data entries. This is why the headings on my certificate of birth look entirely different than the entries.
That is questionable by itself. But it is the way the text looks that gives it away.[...] Again, the most glaring anomaly in Obama’s COB is the following:
All of the letters that appear on Barack’s Certificate of Birth were made, at the same time, and by the same method — which was the use of a graphics program and not the use of any printer.
You can also tell that this is an obvious Photochop by looking at the border patterns.
Looking at the corners of the darker green border, you can see that the border is discontinuous. In other words, the vertical border bars were made by drawing a long rectangle, copying that rectangle, and then overlaying each of them on either side:[...]What is readily apparent is that the top and bottom horizontal border bars are overlapped by the top and bottom edges of two vertical rectangles.
If this certificate was a professionally-made, there would not be any overlaps, or any outlines of the side rectangles — the border would appear to be one, continuous whole.[...]OK…so where is the certification by the department?
Not only is there no department certification, there is also the absence of any watermark on the paper. Official state documents are supposed to have a watermark on the paper — like my certificate of birth — especially when that document is a very important one, like a certificate of birth.
A certified document must have a signature (or signatures) from individuals within the State’s Department of Health who are authorized to reproduce the document, and to certify that the document is genuine.
Nothing like that appears anywhere in this JPG.
Also, the official Seal of Hawaii in this JPG is a 2nd generation, black & white bitmap copy of the original seal — at best.[...]In short, there is nothing in this copy to indicate that it is, in fact, a “certified copy.” As I have shown above, there is a whole lot of evidence that it is a manufactured copy. There certainly is a very strong motive for creating one.
Unless the voting public is given a real birth certificate to examine, the question of Barack’s birth is still up in the air.http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml Obama campaign claims suspect “birth certificate” as genuine item[...]The Obama campaign, however, has not even produced a paper version of this document, and indeed it does not even publish the high resolution version that appeared on the Daily Kos. It has not fulfilled the media’s persistent requests to produce the original Birth Certificate, or to respond to media questions about the birth certificate controversy.
What could be the Obama campaign’s motive for withholding the original birth certificate and passing off instead a crudely forged facsimile of a “Certification of Live Birth”? [...]http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm Faked certificate suggests that Obama may not be “natural born” US citizen [...]An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama’s alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: “At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically.” And, she added, “In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document.” [...]So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama — because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a “Certification of Live Birth” — must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.
[...]The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document — notably in very low resolution — on its “Fight the Smears” website, with campaign officials vowing that it’s authentic, sending the image around as “proof” to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama’s birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the “Certification of Live Birth.” Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature. The failure of the Obama campaign to do so, and its willingness instead to put up an invalid, uncertified image — what now appears to be a crude forgery — raises the dramatic question of why the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate might have to hide.[...]There is one possibility, however, which alone might justify the risk that Obama and his campaign seems to be taking in putting forward the uncertified document image: Obama was not in fact born in Hawaii and may not be an American citizen at all, or at least not a “natural born citizen” as the Constitution defines the requirement for the nation’s chief executive. Real original birth certificates, circa 1961, have all kinds of verifiable information that would confirm Obama’s origins, or throw them into doubt should they be lacking.
Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama’s birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother’s youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a “natural born citizen.” Even if he were naturalized later — and there is no evidence that he was — he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and — if forgery or misrepresentation were involved — he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges. [...]There is one simple way for the candidate to clear up the issue once and for all: produce for public inspection and objective analysis the paper copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate — if one exists. If he’s lost the original, he can request a certified copy. Ordinary citizens are required to produce one to get a passport or a driver’s license. Surely it’s not too much to ask from a man who aspires to hold the highest office in the land.
The issue is not whether Obama is black or white, Christian or Muslim. It is whether he was born in the USA and thus a citizen eligible according to the Constitution to run for President. [...]http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htmhttp://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml
With due respect, Mohamamar Khadaffi also said “What Pan Am Flight?”
Let’s stop giving credence to the likes of P Diddy and Khadaffi as if they are political bellweathers.
NY-David
Sure, NYDavid, just as soon as all y’all lefties stop giving creedance to Michael Moore, Keith Olberdork, Rosie O’Dumbass, Noam Chomsky, Code Pink, MoveOn.Org, …
There is a big differece between Diddy, Michael Moore, Keith Olberdork, Rosie O’Dumbass, Noam Chomsky, Code Pink, MoveOn.Org, : and Muammar Khadaffi.
Muammar Khadaffi is the ruler of Libya, an African nation. The predominant religion in Libya is Islam with 97% of the population.
Of course Uncle Muammar denied his culpability in the terrorist act. Since that time, he has attempted to pay his way off our terrorist list. of the $2.7 billion to be paid to the victms of the Lockerbie crash, all by $500 million has been paid. He is holding the remainder in hopes of getting Libya off the list!
18, Pam, My writings are always directed at all liberals. NYDavid may think he just speaks for himself, but he has to know that any slack cut him, other liberals claim as their own. Also, it is rare for one liberal to denounce another liberal. Look at those who haven’t denounced Al Franken or Ted Kennedy or Rev. Sharpton.
you are all a bunch of ass holes. This is the type of commentary that continually divides our nation. No matter who wins the election, they have a long road ahead of them to try and get us back on the right track. If we could get past all this senseless bickering, the U.S could be a great nation once again. As far as the comments on history go, none of you know what you’re talking about. Yes, slaves were once considered to be 3/5 of a person, not 3/5 more than women. These were perople who never asked to be here and upon their arrival they miraculously stopped being whole persons. You can not honestly say that you agree with this ideaology unless you are truly a racist biggot. The comments that you make go way deeper that democrat verse republican. Its as if you all don’t want this man to win because of his skin color and that is a shame. “Keep the white house white.” I assume that comment was meant to say that if BO is elected he will somehow disgrace the white house. Did you know that the white house and the majority of D.C. was designed by a black man by the name of Benjamin Banneker? That’s the problem with this kind of thinking. You lead me to believe that Black people can work their fingers to the bone for this country, die for this country, and help to build this country; yet, still not be worthy to attain their dreams and goals. All of these theories about BO being a muslim, being bitter, not being born here, and all that other crap is just fodder to distract poeple from the real issues. I am voting for Obama and it as nothing to do with his race. I am voting for him because I believe that he is a true representation of the American dream. The dream that I can be anything that I want to be if I work hard and stay focused.
I can tell just how serious you are about this. Nothing screams unity like walking into a place and calling everyone assholes.
Get out a history book. Blacks were higher than women when this country was founded. That’s not racist, it just a fact. Did you even read why the subject came up/ Nope, you didn’t.
Had you bothered to even research the site, the man’s skin color has nothing to do with our decisions, and we are free to criticize him any time we choose to. He is an opportunistic idiot!
I’ll second that to say that there isn’t anything here that would indicate that Obama is opposed due to his skin color or that there is an underlying need to keep “the whitehouse white”. He is touted as being a Liberal (and I’m still not clear why that’s a bad thing).
As well, starting out a post with labeling us all as a lower bodily feature doesn’t really embolden your argument.
NY-David
Black – White – Green – Orange, who cares? What needs to be done is force the issue of this fake birth certificate. How deceptive, and devious. There is nothing in this world would make me believe that Obama is on the ‘up and up.’ You can focus on this, Missy!
So what’s UP? Up his & yours #20 & #24 =d>=d>=d>=))
Thanks PCD – lot of work on that. I will re-read, as it is a lot to comprehend. I do understand the deal on birth certificates as I have a an amended one. I was adopted at 18 months old, but did finally retrieve my records. Got my adoption decree and worked backwards – lot of red tape and secrets being hid. Looks like that is what happened with Obama’s as well. Obama’s birth certificate was doctored up alright! Definitely needs investigating and I don’t doubt you expertise. [-x~:>*-:)
It’s the other way around, ‘Die (IF) Obama’ Not me ever Obama – I will not listen to a word BO and Hillary say in their talks together, wouldn’t believe a word anyway. All they are is lying politicians to the Hilt-lary – trying to pay off the BIG debt – what a waste!!! Let Obama pay it, Uncle Wright, or his elitist movie star fans, who cares! I’m not impressed, I’m fully disgusted with all the Demorats, and the Mafia Media. Obama is so far from the truth and a decent canidate it’s not even funny. His campaign (pain) is a disgrace to our country!! A Mockery!
McCain all the way – keeping it the White House. **==
Boy that MO bitch is out there isn’t she! Actually bitch is too good of name for MO – hate to insult a dog. Hope she opens her big fishy mouth and screws up as usual. All for Hilt-Lary now, well, well, do tell. What hypocrites going from one extreme to another. Only a fool would believe any of this crap? :-@:-@:-@:-@:-@
I bet Carolyne is a WHITE woman, yes i said it White lil bitch .Only an ignorant person would say something like that. I believe that Barack Obama is hope, he is change. This country was built with the sweat and whip off the slaves back, and now a descendant of those same slaves has a chance to lead the same country where we weren’t even considered to be people,where we weren’t allowed to be educated, drink from the same water fountains, eat in the same restaurants, or even vote. So you damn right, I’m going to vote for him! So Obama or Die!!!!!!
Hey Real Talk-
Last time I checked a history book, in the beginning, a black man was 3/5th more of a person than a woman was. Not allowed to be educated? Have you ever picked up a history book? Studied the history of ‘black’ universites in this country? Are you ignorant enough to not know that blacks were being educated prior to Brown vs B.O.E.? The graduation rates of blacks was far greater before “The Great Society”. This country was built off the sweat of many many people, blacks and whites alike. Obama’s white ancestors were a part of this history, but not the black African portion..
Pam..Pam…Pam…..you have learned nothing.Let me ask you a question, The history book that you so called “studied” who wrote it? I can answer that for you a white person. Pam I want you to study a history book written by a black man. There you will learn the truth because what you do know is pure wack. You only know what the white people wanted you to know. I graduated from a Historically Black College and i damn sure know my history but its obvious that you don’t know yours. I think that you need to go back into the history books and look again. Real Talk
Real Talk- There is no way that you graduated from any Black College because you are too ignorant to know the history! Are you asking who wrote the Constitution? Is that what you are asking? The 3/5 of a man rule is right in it.
As for truth? What truth? The one that is actually real, or the one that you have made up to fit your belief?
Try reading some of Lawrence Graham’s work. One of my favorite books is: OUR KIND OF PEOPLE…Inside America’s Black Upper Class.
I’ll tell you how stupid “Real Talk” is. Unless Obama’s mother was descended from Jewish slaves, Obama is not descended from slaves. Obama’s father is a Kenyan!
In fact, there is doubt that Obama was even born in the US. The birth certificate the Obama campaign is showing is Photoshop fake!
A review of Michelle Obama’s Princeton thesis suggests she is a racist and separatist at her very core. It all falls into place now, how she and B.O. could sit in that “church” for 20 years with the likes of Jeremiah Wright. They would not have been able to do that if his message did not resonate.
Folks, these people are racists and separatists. They have been outed.
It is a shame the race card has been played to the degree it has. I have great friends black and white that feel the same way. I feel sorry, that Uncle Wright, MO and of course the “innocent” ? OBAMA THAT KEEPS HIS DIRTY HANDS CLEAN, hiding behind his uncle and wife (yea, innocent as sin, in his Muslim father’s dreams) . . . I repeat,
I feel sorry, for those who have suffered for this whole fiasco of an election, it is nothing but arrogant greed of the Demorats, Liberals, Racists, etc. stirring up the Echos of the Past, that have no baring on the issues at hand. Our Country should be the Focus, not BO or MO! Obama is no uniter, BO is a divider. ‘Meaner than a junk yard dog.’ and he has plenty of company.
Hark: Do I hear the gnashing of teeth? :-j
Hey, PCD – why can’t this birth certificate fake be revealed and someone press that issue? It needs to be investigated as to what is going on. Who is behind the cover up? Of course we know why, so who could get this info? OK guys, anyone got any ideas! Thanks, love Right Voices, and for those of whom I get under your skin, well I am glad. Makes my day! >:d<
Real Talk – I’d be interested in what history books were used in the college you went to. Since most history books are devoid of the major contributions of Black people in the US… slightly off topic.
Back to topic. Recall that P. Diddy only speaks for a small amount of people. If he’s going to add death to his chant as he did before, then he’s a real idiot
Well Righties, we have our own idiots on the left as well.
NY-David
NY-David,
Great point. The history of Black Americans is a fascinating study. I get frustrated because we have generations of people, black and white, that don’t know anything about the topic. Example: people seem to think that civil rights began with MLK, never once considering the fact that he was but one and that many people paved the road for which he walked.
10, Carolyn, look at the fake the Obama campaign passes. In the lower left of the form it says, “Laser Form”. Hawaii didn’t have lasers when Obama was born. Also, the state seal is not embossed in the fake as it would be in a real Hawaii birth certificate.
Not only that, Mohammar Khadaffi is saying that Obama is a Kenyan muslim. Think he might be telling the truth???
10, here you go Carolyn:
Was Obama’s “Certificate of Birth” manufactured?The Daily Kos blog has posted a JPG that allegedly is Barack Obama’s “Certificate of Birth.” From a detailed analysis of the image and the text, it looks like it was created by a graphics program, and is not a true copy of an original, certified document.
I’ve been working with computers, printers, and typewriters for over 20 years, and given a set of printed letters, I can discern what kind of device made them. Printer output is quite different from the text created by a graphics program, and even if a document looks “official,” it may not be.[...] At the bottom of the JPG image, reading right from left, one can see following text:
OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) Laser This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]
There are a lot of problems with this statement, foremost of which is that the text in this document were produced by a graphics program and not a laser print, or any other printer, for that matter.
If the letters were made by a laser printer, you would be able to see the background, the pattern, through the spaces of the letters.
Here’s a genuine copy of a real certificate of birth — my own:
[...]When text is entered via a graphics program, the pattern cannot be seen without noticeable distortion. However, when text is entered with a computer printer or typewriter, you can clearly see the pattern below the letters.
Here is a segment of the COB showing the letters, “Certificat” (from the “Certification” field) enlarged about: 500%:[...]The fuzzy outline is a dead giveaway that these letters were made by a graphics program. Also a dead giveaway is that the letters still retain a sharp outline. With printed or typed text, there is a clearly definable characteristic of a symmetrical shadow when the image is saved at a lower resolution, that is, a more compressed JPG file.
Here is the word, “Certification,” from my certificate of birth enlarged :As you can see, there is virtually no distortion and no pixelation around the letters, and no dropouts from the background. The most noticeable pixelation and dropouts from the background can be seen in the Barack’s father’s name “HUSSEIN” on the COB:[...]Take a look at the area between the “S’s in “HUSSEIN.” No hint of any background color. Plenty of grey and white pixels — exactly what would result from enlarging text entered with a graphics program.
WAIT, there is an even bigger red herring here. All of the type on this document was produced by the same program.
Whatever made the text for all of the headings also made the text for all of the entries.
What’s wrong with that?
Well, only that real certificates are created ahead of time by a commercial printer, or, at least, a different printer than the one used to create the data entries. This is why the headings on my certificate of birth look entirely different than the entries.
That is questionable by itself. But it is the way the text looks that gives it away.[...] Again, the most glaring anomaly in Obama’s COB is the following:
All of the letters that appear on Barack’s Certificate of Birth were made, at the same time, and by the same method — which was the use of a graphics program and not the use of any printer.
You can also tell that this is an obvious Photochop by looking at the border patterns.
Looking at the corners of the darker green border, you can see that the border is discontinuous. In other words, the vertical border bars were made by drawing a long rectangle, copying that rectangle, and then overlaying each of them on either side:[...]What is readily apparent is that the top and bottom horizontal border bars are overlapped by the top and bottom edges of two vertical rectangles.
If this certificate was a professionally-made, there would not be any overlaps, or any outlines of the side rectangles — the border would appear to be one, continuous whole.[...]OK…so where is the certification by the department?
Not only is there no department certification, there is also the absence of any watermark on the paper. Official state documents are supposed to have a watermark on the paper — like my certificate of birth — especially when that document is a very important one, like a certificate of birth.
A certified document must have a signature (or signatures) from individuals within the State’s Department of Health who are authorized to reproduce the document, and to certify that the document is genuine.
Nothing like that appears anywhere in this JPG.
Also, the official Seal of Hawaii in this JPG is a 2nd generation, black & white bitmap copy of the original seal — at best.[...]In short, there is nothing in this copy to indicate that it is, in fact, a “certified copy.” As I have shown above, there is a whole lot of evidence that it is a manufactured copy. There certainly is a very strong motive for creating one.
Unless the voting public is given a real birth certificate to examine, the question of Barack’s birth is still up in the air.http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml Obama campaign claims suspect “birth certificate” as genuine item[...]The Obama campaign, however, has not even produced a paper version of this document, and indeed it does not even publish the high resolution version that appeared on the Daily Kos. It has not fulfilled the media’s persistent requests to produce the original Birth Certificate, or to respond to media questions about the birth certificate controversy.
What could be the Obama campaign’s motive for withholding the original birth certificate and passing off instead a crudely forged facsimile of a “Certification of Live Birth”? [...]http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12932.htm Faked certificate suggests that Obama may not be “natural born” US citizen [...]An authentic Hawaiian birth certificate for another Hawaiian individual has since surfaced which, using the same official form as the presumptive Obama certificate, includes an embossed official seal and an authoritative signature, coming through from the back. Obama’s alleged certificate lacks those features, and the certificate number referencing the birth year has been blacked out, making it untraceable.
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: “At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically.” And, she added, “In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document.” [...]So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama — because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a “Certification of Live Birth” — must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.
[...]The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document — notably in very low resolution — on its “Fight the Smears” website, with campaign officials vowing that it’s authentic, sending the image around as “proof” to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama’s birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the “Certification of Live Birth.” Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature. The failure of the Obama campaign to do so, and its willingness instead to put up an invalid, uncertified image — what now appears to be a crude forgery — raises the dramatic question of why the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate might have to hide.[...]There is one possibility, however, which alone might justify the risk that Obama and his campaign seems to be taking in putting forward the uncertified document image: Obama was not in fact born in Hawaii and may not be an American citizen at all, or at least not a “natural born citizen” as the Constitution defines the requirement for the nation’s chief executive. Real original birth certificates, circa 1961, have all kinds of verifiable information that would confirm Obama’s origins, or throw them into doubt should they be lacking.
Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama’s birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother’s youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a “natural born citizen.” Even if he were naturalized later — and there is no evidence that he was — he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and — if forgery or misrepresentation were involved — he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges. [...]There is one simple way for the candidate to clear up the issue once and for all: produce for public inspection and objective analysis the paper copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate — if one exists. If he’s lost the original, he can request a certified copy. Ordinary citizens are required to produce one to get a passport or a driver’s license. Surely it’s not too much to ask from a man who aspires to hold the highest office in the land.
The issue is not whether Obama is black or white, Christian or Muslim. It is whether he was born in the USA and thus a citizen eligible according to the Constitution to run for President. [...]http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htmhttp://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/06/20/was_obamas_certificate_of_birth_manufactured.thtml
With due respect, Mohamamar Khadaffi also said “What Pan Am Flight?”
Let’s stop giving credence to the likes of P Diddy and Khadaffi as if they are political bellweathers.
NY-David
Sure, NYDavid, just as soon as all y’all lefties stop giving creedance to Michael Moore, Keith Olberdork, Rosie O’Dumbass, Noam Chomsky, Code Pink, MoveOn.Org, …
There is a big differece between Diddy, Michael Moore, Keith Olberdork, Rosie O’Dumbass, Noam Chomsky, Code Pink, MoveOn.Org, : and Muammar Khadaffi.
Muammar Khadaffi is the ruler of Libya, an African nation. The predominant religion in Libya is Islam with 97% of the population.
Of course Uncle Muammar denied his culpability in the terrorist act. Since that time, he has attempted to pay his way off our terrorist list. of the $2.7 billion to be paid to the victms of the Lockerbie crash, all by $500 million has been paid. He is holding the remainder in hopes of getting Libya off the list!
PCD- nothing in NY-David’s writings lead us to believe that he takes anything those people say seriously.
18, Pam, My writings are always directed at all liberals. NYDavid may think he just speaks for himself, but he has to know that any slack cut him, other liberals claim as their own. Also, it is rare for one liberal to denounce another liberal. Look at those who haven’t denounced Al Franken or Ted Kennedy or Rev. Sharpton.
you are all a bunch of ass holes. This is the type of commentary that continually divides our nation. No matter who wins the election, they have a long road ahead of them to try and get us back on the right track. If we could get past all this senseless bickering, the U.S could be a great nation once again. As far as the comments on history go, none of you know what you’re talking about. Yes, slaves were once considered to be 3/5 of a person, not 3/5 more than women. These were perople who never asked to be here and upon their arrival they miraculously stopped being whole persons. You can not honestly say that you agree with this ideaology unless you are truly a racist biggot. The comments that you make go way deeper that democrat verse republican. Its as if you all don’t want this man to win because of his skin color and that is a shame. “Keep the white house white.” I assume that comment was meant to say that if BO is elected he will somehow disgrace the white house. Did you know that the white house and the majority of D.C. was designed by a black man by the name of Benjamin Banneker? That’s the problem with this kind of thinking. You lead me to believe that Black people can work their fingers to the bone for this country, die for this country, and help to build this country; yet, still not be worthy to attain their dreams and goals. All of these theories about BO being a muslim, being bitter, not being born here, and all that other crap is just fodder to distract poeple from the real issues. I am voting for Obama and it as nothing to do with his race. I am voting for him because I believe that he is a true representation of the American dream. The dream that I can be anything that I want to be if I work hard and stay focused.
natanyah-
I can tell just how serious you are about this. Nothing screams unity like walking into a place and calling everyone assholes.
Get out a history book. Blacks were higher than women when this country was founded. That’s not racist, it just a fact. Did you even read why the subject came up/ Nope, you didn’t.
Had you bothered to even research the site, the man’s skin color has nothing to do with our decisions, and we are free to criticize him any time we choose to. He is an opportunistic idiot!
I’ll second that to say that there isn’t anything here that would indicate that Obama is opposed due to his skin color or that there is an underlying need to keep “the whitehouse white”. He is touted as being a Liberal (and I’m still not clear why that’s a bad thing).
As well, starting out a post with labeling us all as a lower bodily feature doesn’t really embolden your argument.
NY-David
Hey natanyah, you wanna see an asshole? Look into a mirror. We’d all vote for a black person. Just not this one.
CLAP CLAP CLAP ^:)^
Nantanyah you couldn’t have said that any better. I agree with u
Black – White – Green – Orange, who cares? What needs to be done is force the issue of this fake birth certificate. How deceptive, and devious. There is nothing in this world would make me believe that Obama is on the ‘up and up.’ You can focus on this, Missy!
So what’s UP? Up his & yours #20 & #24 =d>=d>=d>=))
Thanks PCD – lot of work on that. I will re-read, as it is a lot to comprehend. I do understand the deal on birth certificates as I have a an amended one. I was adopted at 18 months old, but did finally retrieve my records. Got my adoption decree and worked backwards – lot of red tape and secrets being hid. Looks like that is what happened with Obama’s as well. Obama’s birth certificate was doctored up alright! Definitely needs investigating and I don’t doubt you expertise. [-x~:>*-:)