Obama’s mentor is a marxist- he told us that, we didn’t even need to dig it up.

Thanks for the link. I will check it out.

There’s nothing “Marxist” about Obama. Not rhetoric, not policy, not ideas. Nothing. That’s one very deep problem I have with hardcore rightwing conservatives: anything and anyone not hardcore rightwing conservative is, to them, automatically “Marxist.” I get the sense that not many of them have actually read Marx, or understand the profound distinctions first between Socialism and Communism, and then between Liberalism and Socialism. Liberalism and Socialism are, ideologically, mortal enemies.

You don’t have to agree with Obama’s policies; you can hate government intrusion in the market (though if that’s the case, you’ve got to hate the Republicans as much as the Democrats); you can hate social welfare. But don’t mistake any mainstream American political party or policy for anything remotely resembling Marxism or Socialism. America is a deeply capitalistic country down to its bones, and all forms of liberal opposition to conservatism still remain bound to the fundamentally capitalistic economic structure and social outlook of the country. Rightwingers and Liberals are arguing about different versions of the same socio-economic structure. They have different interpretations of it, and different ways of understanding how to maximize its potential. But they’re arguing about the same thing, at least socio-economically speaking. Religion and its role in the State is a whole other issue, and one in which I’m deeply, firmly rooted in the other side from where I guess you stand.

And no, I’m not Lenny.

By the way, here’s a rebuttal to your claim that Obama’s done “nothing” as a legislator:

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html

Please don’t just repeat McCain campaign talking points. And whatever you do, don’t take the speech that Palin read as an accurate summation of Obama’s resume. Hell, she couldn’t even remember that she was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it (and took the money anyway) and was the Earmark Queen of Wasilla. If she (or actually, the guy who wrote the speech) couldn’t get the facts right about her own record, how do you expect her to get Obama’s record straight?

McCain isn’t stealing or parroting Obama’s change theme, he’s making fun of it. Because Obama promises change, but there is nothing beyond his Marxist rhetoric that indicates he’s capable of accomplishing anything. He’s done nothing in the Senate, little in the Illinois legislature, and before that was a Community Organizer. That and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at Denny’s.

McCain has only been supporting Bush on Iraq, and perhaps immigration and certainly on the tax cuts. Events in Iraq have PROVEN McCain right and Obama WRONG. Tax cuts are PROVEN good. But McCain is truly a Maverick. He’s not perfect. I just posted last week that as a Conservative, McCain gives me ~40% of what I am looking for. Palin gives me 90% of what I am looking for (and with more experience that can go higher).

Obama gives me 4% of what I am looking for (at least he is an outsider and is new to Washington, and Biden gives me 0%. So doing the Math, McCain/Palin averages out to 65% of what I am looking for. Obanma/Biden averages to 2%. Pretty clear choice for me.

Don’t even start with me on the talking points and glazed eyes. Don’t even go there. The glazed eyes, enraptured, trance-like stares and sobbing with joy were the Kool-Aid drinkers at the Obama styrofoam Greek Column coronation.

‘It was all so general, such generic rhetoric: “He’s really going to change things!”How? “He just is!”

That’s the kind of mentality we are dealing with.’

It sounds like you’re talking about the Republican convention. Don’t you find it more than a little ironic that only now McCain has started parroting Obama’s rhetoric about “change,” but not bringing specifics to the table? Surely you had to have noticed that. A guy who’s been solidly behind Bush for the last eight years in almost every policy area, and whose policies (such as he’s detailed them) follow the same Bush course wants us to believe that he’s now an agent of “change”????!!!

And I’ve got some snake oil to sell you.

Gimme a break.

If you really buy that stuff, then you’re either not paying attention or not thinking.

Has anyone here bothered to read Obama’s 33-page policy outline? Or do you just stand there with glazed eyes, repeating McCain campaign talking points about how Obama’s just an empty suit?

I think I know the answer to that question, but I’ll reserve judgment for the moment.