UPDATED:Open Thread: Sarah Palin Interview With Charlie Gibson..Reactions And Commentary Added..UPDATE: THE BUSH DOCTRINE
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Two clips are already up in case the transcript’s not good enough. Here and here.
Here’s a partial transcript. Good to see Charlie did his homework:
GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, “Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.” Are we fighting a holy war?
PALIN: You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.
GIBSON: Exact words.
PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln’s words when he said ” first, he suggested never presume to know what God’s will is, and I would never presume to know God’s will or to speak God’s words.
But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that’s a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God’s side.
That’s what that comment was all about, Charlie.
GIBSON: I take your point about Lincoln’s words, but you went on and said, “There is a plan and it is God’s plan.”
Totally untrue, but that’s what he gets for relying on the Associated Press, which took the liberty of bowdlerizing her quote mid-sentence in order to make it fit the narrative they were trying to build of her as some fundie who thinks she can read God’s mind. Here’s my post on the subject from last Thursday. Read it and see just how egregious the distortion here is.
Sorry, Gibson– exact words means exact words. And if you’re going to edit out key words and transform a statement from one meaning to another, that’s not even close to “exact.”
UPDATE..The Bush Doctrine: Much ado has been made about what the Bush Doctrine is. Few people realize that it is Charles Krauthammer that coined the phrase and it behooves us to read what he has to say on the subject:
…If I were in any public foreign policy debate today, and my adversary were to raise the Bush doctrine, both I and the audience would assume — unless my interlocutor annotated the reference otherwise — that he was speaking about the grandly proclaimed (and widely attacked) freedom agenda of the Bush administration.
Not the Gibson doctrine of preemption.
Not the “with us or against us” no-neutrality-is-permitted policy of the immediate post-9/11 days.
Not the unilateralism that characterized the pre-9/11 first year of the Bush administration.
Presidential doctrines are inherently malleable and difficult to define. The only fixed “doctrines” in American history are the Monroe and the Truman doctrines which come out of single presidential statements during administrations where there were few other contradictory or conflicting foreign policy crosscurrents.
Such is not the case with the Bush doctrine.
Yes, Sarah Palin didn’t know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn’t pretend to know ” while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and “sounding like an impatient teacher,” as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes’ reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.
Take off your smart glasses, Charlie. Because you’ve been schooled
Others blogging:
- ABC Distorts Palin’s Remarks ” Brennan Monaco
- Charles Gibson Distorts Palin’s “Pray” Quote | The American Pundit
- Gibson Asks Palin: Are We Fighting In A Holy War?
- Let the Distortions Begin: Sarah Palin Does Her ABC Interview. « The Rhetorican
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- The Corner
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- JustOneMinute, The Swamp
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- Wake up America
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- Hot Air
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- TIME.com
- Spin Cycle
- AMERICAblog News
- Wizbang
- Michelle Malkin » ABC News blows it
- Open Thread: Sarah Palin Interview With Charlie Gibson | Right Voices
- Mediaslakter
- Neocon News » Barracuda hooked?
- ABC, Charlie Gibson Interview with Sarah Palin « Above My Pay Grade!
- Stuck On Stupid
- Suitably Flip
- The Charlie Gibson Interview, Part 1
- Gibson and Biden ” Gibson vs Palin « Gunservatively!
- What Is Fair And Balanced? | Politics and Hypocrisy
- Palin Smears, Continued « Nuke ‘m Hill
- Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Palin on the Bush Doctrine, 9/11, and Pakistan
- Webloggin » Bloggers Fact Check Distortions In ABC Palin Interview
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September 11, 2008 - 09:23 PM on September 11th, 2008
Has anyone done a comparison of Bill Clinton’s experience before running for President, and Sarah Palin’s experience before running for VP?
It could be interesting!
September 11, 2008 - 09:27 PM on September 11th, 2008
Good point Neutron! No, I haven’t really seen a mention of that!
September 11, 2008 - 10:26 PM on September 11th, 2008
[...] Scott had said “I haven’t seen anything in the web, in print, or on TV where DNC Chairman Howard Dean said that Sarah Palin doesn’t have enough experience. Can anyone tell us why he’s been so silent?” It is a great question, because not only was he a Governor of a very tiny state, he was also the media darling of most of 2003, as well as the choice of the far liberal left bloggers! Tonight, Neutron asked: [...]
September 11, 2008 - 10:46 PM on September 11th, 2008
The Palin interview was the first time my TV had been tuned to ABC in almost two years. The “set top box” must have been shocked to find there was a channel at that number.
I saw some of the interview, but had to stop because of the level of “gotcha” and patronizing. When he asked about “the Bush Doctrine,” my onw response as she paused was “Bush’s policy on what? Education? Healthcare, Energy, …”
I guess he would think me as “stupid” as he obviously thought Palin was, because he had to explain (to me too) that “The Bush Doctrine” meant preemptive war blah blah blah.
I’m college educated, well read in many fields, and follow politics like most men follow sports, but I guess I’m just not savvy enough, because I didn’t instantly grok the liberal code word “The Bush Doctrine.”
Palin proved that she has more in common with me than ABC news does. I’m going to help my “set top box” forget that channel exists.
September 11, 2008 - 10:53 PM on September 11th, 2008
There are many cases where journalists (Charlie Gibson included) take quotes out of context.
THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM!!!
Trying to paint Charlie Gibson as a bad journalist over this is absurd.
She said the words “pray for” before the statement he quoted.
She obviously thinks the Iraq war MIGHT be a task that is from G-d.
It’s completely fair for Gibson to ask her if she thinks we’re fighting a holy war.
She said those things, and journalists have every right and responsibility to examine those statements.
Look somewhere else if you want to find people misquoting – this isn’t the place.
Too bad. So sad. Bye bye.
Quote me if you want to.
September 11, 2008 - 11:29 PM on September 11th, 2008
I have a PhD and I am a political junkie and I too wouldnt know how to answer Gibson’s gotcha question on ‘the Bush doctrine’ that is way too vague and loaded.
Palin did quite well, given that it was an unfair, gotcha-loaded grilling from a condescending liberal.
September 11, 2008 - 11:48 PM on September 11th, 2008
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September 12, 2008 - 05:49 AM on September 12th, 2008
Then I submit that you’re not qualified to be VP either, Neutron. Palin is personable, a girl next door type, a successful hockey mom, but not ready for prime time. No way, no how, no Palin.
September 12, 2008 - 05:55 AM on September 12th, 2008
Sarah Palin clearly lied. She also said during her speech at that church, and I am quoting her, verbatim: “God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to help get that gas line built.” She accepted the VP candidacy for one reason: To secure more drilling in Alaska. After listening to her responses to Gibson, I am convinced that she is no more ready for this VP slot, which is a heartbeat away from the Presidency, than I am.
September 12, 2008 - 06:03 AM on September 12th, 2008
One other observation. We all know that Palin is short on foreign experience. Being next to Russia does not qualify anyone. Otherwise, to extrapolate, we have millions of experts on Mexico. Had Palin answered “Charlie, I honestly don’t know what the Bush Doctrine is, but I’ll sure as hell find out”, I would have cut her some slack. Instead, she tried to bluster her way through the question. She’s in the major leagues now, not a Saturday morning b’ball league. Knowledge and honesty is expected. And, the Bush Doctrine is a cornerstone of GW’s foreign policy.
September 12, 2008 - 07:23 AM on September 12th, 2008
I have to agree that her performance regarding the National Security Strategies (more commonly known as the Bush Doctrine) was dismal. I can’t defend the unpreparedness of someone who might have access to nuclear and other intensely delicate national security information. There is no defense. I personally believe McCain flubbed this choice. She was good for energy of the party but honestly not for governance.
September 12, 2008 - 07:59 AM on September 12th, 2008
Jason,
I disagree with you and I am partial to Charlie.
First of all, what is the Bush Doctrine?
We all know we are fighting a holy war. That isn’t some secret.
September 12, 2008 - 08:02 AM on September 12th, 2008
Ellis, what made Bill Clinton qualified to be POTUS? That isn’t a sarcastic slam against him, I am just curious what made him experienced with is governorship?
September 12, 2008 - 08:34 AM on September 12th, 2008
“Being next to Russia does not qualify anyone. Otherwise, to extrapolate, we have millions of experts on Mexico.”~ Ellis
To all the readers from CA, AZ, and Texas…do you get regular national security briefings via email?
September 12, 2008 - 08:41 AM on September 12th, 2008
Charles Gibson a “condescending liberal?” What, Travis Monitor, is your PhD in?
Gibson is one of the right’s best friends! I haven’t been able to watch him for over 6 years because of his constant soft-balls and absence of logical follow-up questions when interviewing conservatives. Liberal media, may ass. It’s CORPORATE media and corporate interests are overwhelmingly pandered to by the right.
Sheesh.
September 12, 2008 - 08:54 AM on September 12th, 2008
No Paul, Charlie is not the best friend of the right, but he is also not their sworn enemy.
I am not sure what the liberal bias in the MSM and your ass have in common, but their is no denying that the bias exists. The debate is over, all the scientist agree that it exists.
Yes, Charlie works for a corporation. Just as Keith does. Those corporations have stockholders..you see where this is going?
September 12, 2008 - 10:05 AM on September 12th, 2008
Pam,
More you post, more of your ignorance come to light. You can’t possibly be serious about most of the blabber that you’re posting. For you to compare Palin to Bill Clinton or any other president is insanity. For god sake do you actually believe that this loony toon is qualified to be, possibly, the president of this country because she is a hokey mom? I’m looking around my office and I can point out 10 other people who are actually more qualified than this woman. BTW. I know what Bush doctrine is and so do most of my friends. That’s elementary level knowledge.
September 12, 2008 - 12:08 PM on September 12th, 2008
I’d bet that Obama will never get questioned in the manner Sarah Palin did. She did just fine. She appears to think better on her feet than Obama does.
Obama gets a question he has to think about and it’s “uh, well, umm…” then it’s a “blizzard of words” that tries to play both sides, restates what everyone already knows (the obvious), then ends up by not taking any real position at all.
The voters see all this. And they’re taking notes…
September 12, 2008 - 01:30 PM on September 12th, 2008
Asking a VP pick about the Bush Doctrine should have been lobbing her a softball. It encompasses Bush’s foreign policy post 9-11 and her response should articulate whether the McCain-Palin ticket is supportive of Bush’s policies in this respect or not. Let’s face it, Palin (currently) is no foreign policy expert. Rather than focusing on what she is not good at (and none of the candidates are strong across the board), I would like to hear more about her strengthes. If McCain picked her because she is a reformer, I would rather hear more on that front. What can she do for us at home?
September 12, 2008 - 01:37 PM on September 12th, 2008
Sarah was terrible. It doesn’t hurt to admit it.
The world is too serious a place to let someone pretend through the role of a world leader.
September 12, 2008 - 03:18 PM on September 12th, 2008
So in other words God Help Us, you can’t answer what made Clinton qualified to be POTUS given the fact that he was Governor of Arkansas. You obviously don’t know what the doctrine is, otherwise you would have shared it..
September 12, 2008 - 03:34 PM on September 12th, 2008
Pam,
The hackneyed, trite old saw about liberal media bias is a conservative red herring; this, according to the National Review’s Bruce Bartlett http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTNlNGNhMTlkYzA3YTU3MWZiYTMxMWFiNzg0MWEzN2Q=
You’re living in the past. If as you say, “all the scientist” (sic) agree, then please provide a citation to support your claim (or don’t make it).
You know, “change” is a peculiar mantra for conservatives, given that you’re the incumbent party. It’s a little Oh Brother, Where Art Thou, don’t you think? http://www.redroom.com/blog/michelle2005/o-brother-where-are-thou
If righties truly want change, perhaps you should start with your rhetoric/arguments (not to mention your ideas/strategies).
September 12, 2008 - 03:50 PM on September 12th, 2008
Paul- The all scientists agree comment was a slam against Gore’s stupid statement..regulars caught that for the sarcasm it was.
That is a great article that Bruce wrote. He makes many fine points, but tha was written last year..
That last link was really silly. Care to explain in your own words what it is that you want to say?
September 12, 2008 - 04:21 PM on September 12th, 2008
Pam,
Sorry, I don’t know the “code”. I’m a liberal, of course, so that’s no surprise. I do enjoy sarcasm, though and am sorry to have missed yours.
So, was it satirical when you complained about the “liberal media?” If not, again, please support your contention.
The last link merely makes light of a “reform” platform when a two term official is of the sane party as those claiming to want change.
Having had to explain that, I beg your indulgence if I fail to participate further.
Best of luck to you,
-p
September 12, 2008 - 04:31 PM on September 12th, 2008
Paul,
Where was the vetting by the media of Barack Obama? You do not want to admit the bias is there, therefore you try and play games. The media jumped behind him and never asked a tough question. The public saw through it and hence, the media is slipping in the polls to the level of Pelosi’s Congress.
September 12, 2008 - 05:00 PM on September 12th, 2008
Before you guys spout that the following is from “Huffington,” note that they are merely repeating McCain’s words. He has either flip-flopped (we all know how you despise flip-floppers), or never knew what he was talking about (we all know how you despise ignorance). Regardless, it’s clear that Palin is a good warm-up act, but not ready for prime time. It’s equally clear that McCain will say and do anything to win, and the hell with what’s good for the people. It’s all about power. No way, no how, no McCain/Palin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/mccain-last-year-mayors-a_n_125944.html
“When does being a governor or mayor for a short period of time not disqualify your credentials on national security? When you are John McCain and your task is to defend your vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
When does being a governor or mayor for a short period of time ABSOLUTELY disqualify your credentials on national security? When you are John McCain and your task is to defeat primary opponents Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani.
Back in October 2007, when McCain’s candidacy still appeared dead and buried, the Senator berated the two Republican front runners for lacking the necessary political experience to handle commander in chief responsibilities.
“I have had a strong and a long relationship on national security, I’ve been involved in every national crisis that this nation has faced since Beirut, I understand the issues, I understand and appreciate the enormity of the challenge we face from radical Islamic extremism,” the Senator declared. “I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn’t a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn’t a governor for a short period of time.” “
September 12, 2008 - 05:01 PM on September 12th, 2008
Joe: “The world is too serious a place to let someone pretend through the role of a world leader.”
That’s how we feel about Barack Saddam Hussein Osama Obama.
September 12, 2008 - 05:23 PM on September 12th, 2008
GODHELPUS I’m sure you know what the “Bush Doctrine” is because it’s been in your talking points list for months. There are hundreds, probably thousands of people in my area alone that are arguably far more qualified to be POTUS than Barack Saddam Hussein Osama Obama.
September 12, 2008 - 05:26 PM on September 12th, 2008
The more lies, the more smears, the more venom that spews from the Looney Left about Palin, the more I am convinced she is absolutely the right one for the job.
They hate her so: that’s qualification enough! END of story!
I sincerely hope McCain/Palin win. The rabid Leftists will be so filled with rage and hate they won’t know what to do. They’ll be having strokes and heart attacks. Their miserable lives will be even more unhappy.
September 12, 2008 - 05:29 PM on September 12th, 2008
Paul Sonderman posts one link to a very short NRO article that has almost notning in it and that’s his proof? No, paul it isn’t trite and hackneyed and it’s a FACT.
September 12, 2008 - 05:42 PM on September 12th, 2008
Ellis, thanks for that link. You still have not answered my question about Clinton being a Governor and then into the presidency..in this case, Palin is going for VP, hardly the same job. I’ll remind you that Clinton was voted out of that job in Arkansas, and re ran a few years later. You tell me that Palin was only there a short time, but Obama has spent half his 1st term running for the presidency…do you see how that logic could backfire on you?
McCain is the most qualified of the 4 on the nov. tickets, and between the three that you highlighted, it still holds true. McCain has a military background as well as his committee experiences dealing with National Security..hence he is our candidate and soon to be 44th POTUS. Rudy is good, don’t get me wrong, but I was so disappointed in his campaign. I still don’t get that.
September 12, 2008 - 05:56 PM on September 12th, 2008
Amen Pam! Bush “Doctrine”? This is not a published doctrine. Gibson’s account of what is the so called Bush Doctrine was a pathetic attempt to come up with something since he doesn’t even know what it is himself since it does not exist in the sense he implied. Preemptively attacking another nation first when you know for certain they are preparing to attack you? Gee Charlie, I guess we’re supposed to believe Pres. Bush was the first to come up with this concept? I call that freaking common sense and as age old as nations themselves. Why don’t we just wait for it to happen – for people to die knowing we could have staved this off – and then we can consult the international community by way of the UN Security Council for guidance. Oh, and of course we should show “restraint” in whatever our response is! I think I just described the Obama Doctrine! I have lost any shred of respect I may have had left for the mainstream media. ABC News is where fewer and fewer people get their news from…….
September 12, 2008 - 06:44 PM on September 12th, 2008
Thanks Matt!
September 12, 2008 - 06:55 PM on September 12th, 2008
Here’s how the New York Times’s Tom Friedman opened an October 4, 1992 analysis of the foreign policy ideas promulgated by Arkansas governor Clinton http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEFDC123EF937A35753C1A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all:
Under the pressure of a Presidential campaign, Gov. Bill Clinton has been trying to outline his own unique foreign policy, while at the same time fending off criticism from the Bush White House that he is a closet dove masquerading as a hawk and that his experience in world affairs is limited to breakfast at the International House of Pancakes.
September 12, 2008 - 07:28 PM on September 12th, 2008
Not published? Are you serious?
http://www.crf-usa.org/bria/bria19_3c.htm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bush_doctrine
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20041002.htm
http://www.bushdoctrine.org/
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/krauthammer/article/0,9565,1035052,00.html
Google hits — Books on bush doctrine: 2920
This is a tiny piece of its published sources. Although the entire list is indeed massive, this speech, given by Bush to West Point grads [published for immediate Release by the WH Office of the Press Secretary June 1, 2002 got the ball rolling.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020601-3.html
Obscure, indeed… in ‘Bizzaro World!’
September 12, 2008 - 07:47 PM on September 12th, 2008
Yes Paul, I am serious.
September 12, 2008 - 07:58 PM on September 12th, 2008
Well, Matt’s clearly wrong. Serious or not, he’s mistaken and you, too if you agree with his claim that the Bush Doctrine was never a published document.
September 12, 2008 - 08:19 PM on September 12th, 2008
This election is not about Clinton, and there’s no sense in comparing his credentials in 1992 to Sarah Palin’s in 2008.
It’s becoming more clear by the day, by the hour, that Palin is not qualified for high office despite her charm, and ability to deliver one-liners as a warm up act for McCain.
In addition to “forgetting” his prior stance on mayor’s/governor’s being ready for high office, McCain forgot today that Sarah took earmarks (even hired lobbyists for them) as mayor and governor. Watch the tapes of his performance on The View. It’s tough to remember what your posture is when that posture changes to fit the instant need.
September 12, 2008 - 08:44 PM on September 12th, 2008
It is becoming clearer by the day that Palin was exactly the right choice for McCain. The more the Left spews vitriol and lashes out in anger and uncontrolled rage, the better she looks. The more they smear, the lower they go to try to twist trivialities into manufactured scandals, the better she looks. The more falsehoods they introduce and promote the better she looks.
Sarah Palin is a dagger to the heart of the evil Left.
September 12, 2008 - 08:45 PM on September 12th, 2008
Here’s the Robert Doctrine: Liberalism is a form of mental illness, so all Liberals can assume to be mentally ill to some degree. There you go; I expect you to know it if asked about it in the future.
September 12, 2008 - 08:47 PM on September 12th, 2008
Ah, let’s not trifle with facts, Ellis…or for that matter, reason. Neither applies here.
These guys still argue about a guy that’s been out of office for nearly two terms. Talk Gibson and they bring up Olbermann. Talk Palin and the resort to Clinton. For good measure, they throw in obtuse references to Gore.
Of course, they rarely substantiate claims and ignore any opponents provide. They simply change the subject, insult the messenger and call opposing candidates inflammatory, slanderous names. This is rote rightie playbook BS. Nothing to see here, folks. Let’s move along, now.
September 12, 2008 - 08:50 PM on September 12th, 2008
Paul you are publishing links to site like Chomsky? You funny guy! We laugh long time! Ho ho ho!!!
September 12, 2008 - 08:50 PM on September 12th, 2008
And “Robert”, the only vitriol being spewed here appears to be emanating from you. You clearly possess a rare gift.
September 12, 2008 - 08:52 PM on September 12th, 2008
I posted right, left and official WH sources, “Robert”
September 12, 2008 - 08:58 PM on September 12th, 2008
I see Chomsky, “Paul Sonderman” and I have seen enough. Noam Chomsky is a hate-America Boll Weevil pos. He is vermin, scum, a cockroach of the lowest sort, a maggot. To even refer to him as a useful source says a lot about you.
And “Paul Sonderman” I am referring to the lies and smears and attacks upon Sarah Palin, “Paul Sonderman”.
September 12, 2008 - 09:03 PM on September 12th, 2008
Ellis,
I take that answer to mean that you can not answer me as to what qualified Clinton at the time. It is relevant given the level of scrutiny given to Palin..
September 12, 2008 - 09:14 PM on September 12th, 2008
Charlie Gibson’s Gaffe
By Charles Krauthammer(one of the sources paul cited)
Saturday, September 13, 2008; Page A17
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
“At times visibly nervous . . . Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of ‘anticipatory self-defense.’ ”
– New York Times, Sept. 12
Informed her? Rubbish.
The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.
There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457_2.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
September 12, 2008 - 09:38 PM on September 12th, 2008
i don’t expect sarah palin to know the answers to all of gibson’s, or for that matter any other journalist or broadcaster or interviewer’s, questions. when asked about her take on the ‘bush doctrine’, she rightly answered ‘in what way?’… that was honesty. gibson asked a loaded question out to prove one thing which is already obvious: that sarah palin lacks experience in foreign policy…
but the thing is, i don’t think any government official or politician can claim that he or she knows it all. because that would be a lie.
what’s important to note is that whether america has a mccain or obama presidency, i am certain that both candidates will have experts surrounding them that can provide encyclopedic knowledge on whatever they need to know on a particular subject, be it foreign policy, the economy, housing, oil drillings, etc. once elected president.
america is voting for its president and vice president this november. i don’t think anyone will be voting for a walking encyclopedia or a human internet…
peace!
September 12, 2008 - 09:41 PM on September 12th, 2008
I didn”t watch tv but gibson really nailed palin in that interview. He made her look silly and unqualified. I heard other Demacrats talking on the radio and they talked about it. They said she looked very bad like she doesnt know anything. I believe them and so thatis what I think too.
I also saw it in the paper the other day that Obama is best so we should vote for Obama. They couldn’t print that if it wasn’t true!
September 12, 2008 - 09:44 PM on September 12th, 2008
Nikko,
good analysis, and it applies to both sides of the aisle.
September 12, 2008 - 09:46 PM on September 12th, 2008
Paul S you are a really snmart guy you tell them like it is here! Hey how did you get the job? Does it pay good? I mean the job working for the Oabma campaign. Going to websites like this and posting stuff to help Obama. Calling in to talk shows and putting down the Repugnicans like palin. I want to do that too can you help me? Please post the info so I can get a job like that too. Help me please I am on your side!
September 12, 2008 - 09:48 PM on September 12th, 2008
“It is relevant given the level of scrutiny given to Palin..”
Clinton went through a 2 year run up to a nomination via the routine primary process. He was continually vetted during that process, and I’m sure the Republicans scrutinized him during the general election process. Palin was magically and mysteriously thrust upon the scene as an unknown with no prior vetting. Hell, even McCain claims he only started to vet her a day or two before the announcement. Palin and Clinton are two totally different cases. BTW, the nominee you back is McCain, not Palin. Seems like you and your peers have forgotten that.
September 12, 2008 - 09:54 PM on September 12th, 2008
A. Why would you lie about mcCain claiming to vet her a day or two ahead of the announcement
B. I didn’t ask you how long Clinton was in the primary process, I asked you what made him qualified. The press does not make a person qualified for anything btw.
C. No I have not forgotten who my candidate is, nor what the lineup on the ticket is. You are trying to say that Palin is not qualified to be the VP and I asked you a very simple question that you can not answer.
September 12, 2008 - 10:07 PM on September 12th, 2008
Robert, I see you’re glomming into classic right wing insult and jab mode. It strikes me that whenever you guys are scared, Rovian tactics come to the fore. I think folks on the right are beginning to see Palin for what she is … a light weight on the national scene who is a detriment. That begs the question of McCain who looks like someone who cannot be counted on to exercise appropriate judgment when making major decisions. Hardly someone worthy of the highest office in the land.
Let’s see on Palin. We have:
- Troopergate
- Bridgegate
- Earmarkgate – yep she seeks them out; hardly a reformer
- Doctringate – she should have just said “I don’t know” or “They haven’t taught me that yet”; Tell me why she’s qualified based on Alaska’s proximity to Russia?
- Emailgate – 1100 withheld emails? How can she possibly claim executive privilege when Todd (remember Super Dude) was CCed on many (all?) of them
- Abstinence-only-gate – I understand that Alaska has an extremely high rate of teen (pre-marital) pregnancies)
Need I go on? It takes more than a smile and a one-liner that a speech writer develops. Palin is a joke as a vp candidate.
September 12, 2008 - 10:13 PM on September 12th, 2008
Pam – when did the Republican vetters get to Alaska to talk with Palin? Wednesday before a Friday announcement. So, who’s lying. I’m quite comfortable with my position. She may have been on a long list quite some time ago, but had been eliminated (as I understand it until the extreme right nixed Lieberman and demanded a hard core, ultra-right nominee).
I will not fall into the typical Republican trap of baselessly arguing something that has no relevance to the issue. Clinton and Palin are two different cases. I will not waste any more time on this point.
I’m pleased that you know the order of your preferred ticket. Given all the whoopdedoo you guys are giving Palin, the ads focused on her, etc., one wonders if the nuances of a POTUS v VPOTUS nomination were fully understood.
September 12, 2008 - 11:07 PM on September 12th, 2008
No, ellis. it has nothing to do with Karl Rove. Noam Chomsky is filthy vermin. If he died tomorrow the world would be better for his absence.
And about Palin? Actually, it is the democrites who are panicking and struggling. We’re having a party, watching Hurricane Sarah wreak havoc on the Osama campaign.
Normally, VP choices are mundane. They might bring in some extra votes, but they;’re not a big deal. Palin has taken the Country by storm, already making history.
It is so much fun watching the Democrites squirming and flailing and Obama going on tv attempting to insult his opponent’s running mate and just making himself look cheaper and smaller.
As for the GaffeMeister himself, who makes Bush look like a skilled orator, Obama is not going to win.
The Democrites are probably already planning their post-defeat strategy. An army of lawyers. What’ll it be this time, since hanging chads were already used? Sticking keys on keypads? They’ll try something, count on it. They have no shame, no integrity, no ethics, no morals.
September 13, 2008 - 12:05 AM on September 13th, 2008
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September 13, 2008 - 01:48 AM on September 13th, 2008
How juvenile and contrived: Assigning “gate” to these made up smears against Palin. Here, I’ll give you some names you can freely use:
Nonsensegate
Madeupgate
hopethissticksgate
wesuckgate
Obamasintroublegate
MoreDemocriteliesgate
You can use them all, ellis. Have at it!
September 13, 2008 - 01:49 AM on September 13th, 2008
“Pam – when did the Republican vetters get to Alaska to talk with Palin?”
Alaskans LOVE Gov. Palin. Her approval is ~8x that of the Reid-Pelosi Congress.
September 13, 2008 - 05:45 AM on September 13th, 2008
Robert,
FYI, I’m unemployed and this exchange is a cardinal waste of time. If, for any reason, you prevail, you deserve what you get. Enjoy.
September 13, 2008 - 07:34 AM on September 13th, 2008
Forget the source of the following if you must, conservatives. The salient points are the quotes which are the same regardless of source. ’tis a sad state of affairs Mr. McCain is trying to foist upon us.
“Palin has no clue how entitlements work.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/12/palin-entitlement/
September 13, 2008 - 08:21 AM on September 13th, 2008
Actually, the so-called “Bush Doctrine” has 5+ different meanings. Charles Krauthammer first coined it in June of 2001 – yes, it was before the day of infamy, September 11, 2001.
So Sarah was correct to wait for Charles to define “which one” he was referring to. The best part of the interview was when Charles and Sarah were walking back from the boat dock – the camera momentarily panned to Charles as he was attempting to screw his head back on – - obviously, it didn’t work.
I can’t wait until the terrorists, Putin, Ahmadinejad and our “sorry assed” congressional representatives, have to deal with John and Sarah, especially, after she gets up to speed.
September 13, 2008 - 08:42 AM on September 13th, 2008
Why should we have read that Ellis? We discussed all those points yesterday, the day before etc.
September 13, 2008 - 09:28 AM on September 13th, 2008
Rich you are right, it was an MSM creation who have used it in various contexts. And Palin did handle it the best way.
People get whatever they want out of the Palin interview. If they like her, it was very good. If they are against her because she threatens their Messiah and Savior, she was awful, Gibson tore her up, she’s not ready to be VP, yadda yadda yadda.
September 13, 2008 - 09:49 AM on September 13th, 2008
BTW, Pam, it looks like a long year for the Wolverines. Now, I’m excited as hell about the Yellow Jackets. I think they may have it under our new coach.
September 13, 2008 - 09:52 AM on September 13th, 2008
I hate Meeeshigan! I am A Spartan fan myself, so I hope Michigan gets their just desserts this year!
September 13, 2008 - 10:05 AM on September 13th, 2008
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, my error. I got MSU and Fla Atl on the tube now. Looks like you’ll need an ark up there today.
September 13, 2008 - 10:18 AM on September 13th, 2008
I am so sick of the rain! But, it pales in comparison to what Texas is getting. Not that you would care, but I just bought a new pair of Wellies last week http://www1.talbots.com/talbotsonline/product/itempage.aspx?item=E271889&BID=&h=A&sk=S and I must go to the store and then to dad’s to clean so guess what I get to wear?
Georgia Tech is usually a powerhouse so you should end up doing well. There are growing pains with any new coach so if it doesn’t happen this year, it will within 2.
I’ve stopped hoping for a Rose Bowl..I just love my Spartans..no prettier campus in Michigan.
September 13, 2008 - 12:21 PM on September 13th, 2008
Please check this website. Some people are taking advantage of Gov. Palin in the guise of comedy acts. This one is viliful.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/feb8fb8bd0
September 13, 2008 - 12:22 PM on September 13th, 2008
Note that Gov. Palin is a baptized Catholic. And in our religion, once a Catholic always a Catholic.
September 13, 2008 - 12:27 PM on September 13th, 2008
For me, it’s a good thing that Sarah Palin is fresh from foreign policy. Foreign relations have already been destroyed by the political wrangling of both parties.
Many people now don’t understand what’s really going on with Government.
With Sarah, I hope she will make foreign relations easily understandable to the common people and let the people be given a chance to say what they actually believe when it comes to foreign policies and in going into war.
That includes treaties and economic sanctions to other countries.
McCain and especially Barack Obama cannot be fully trusted.
LET ONE OF US BE THERE IN THE GOVERNMENT DISCOURSE AND POLICY MAKING WRT NATIONAL SECURITY AND FOREIGN RELATIONS.
Go Sarah!
September 13, 2008 - 12:34 PM on September 13th, 2008
CheckItOut-
Welcome to RV.
Membership is voluntary in the Catholic Church. I can leave and join another faith, but will be welcomed back to the Catholic Church if I so choose.
September 29, 2008 - 12:19 AM on September 29th, 2008
Matt,
You say the “so called Bush Doctrine ” was Gibson’s “pathetic attempt” to come up with something because it doesn’t exist?
Well, many of you here haven’t done your homework, but Gibson certainly did. Perhaps he assumed that Palin should at least be familiar with the Bush Doctrine, since it is a central to any foreign policy issues she would need to know as a prospective Vice President. It was outlined more than 7 years ago, after 911…the question is, how could she NOT know about the Bush Doctrine?
Here, maybe all of you can do your homework and read this, before spouting off about topics that you haven’t even taken the time to research….
You aren’t helping the McCain/Palin campaign with your unexamined, misinformed responses here (which is fine by me!).
for what it’s worth, here you go:
The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, created in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.[1] Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a potential or perceived threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq); a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism; and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.[2][3][4] Some of these policies were codified in a National Security Council text entitled the National Security Strategy of the United States published on September 20, 2002.[5]
National Security Strategy of the United States
The main elements of the Bush Doctrine were delineated in a National Security Council document, the National Security Strategy of the United States, published on September 20, 2002.[6] This document is often cited as the definitive statement of the doctrine.[7][8][9] It was updated in 2006 and is stated as follows: [10]
” It is an enduring American principle that this duty obligates the government to anticipate and counter threats, using all elements of national power, before the threats can do grave damage. The greater the threat, the greater is the risk of inaction – and the more compelling the case for taking anticipatory action to defend ourselves, even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy’s attack. There are few greater threats than a terrorist attack with WMD. To forestall or prevent such hostile acts by our adversaries, the United States will, if necessary, act preemptively in exercising our inherent right of self-defense. ”
Components
The Bush Doctrine has been formulated as a collection of strategy principles, practical policy decisions, and a set of logical rationales and ideas for guiding United States foreign policy.[11] Two main pillars are identified for the doctrine: preemptive strikes against potential enemies and promoting democratic regime change.[11][12]
The George W. Bush administration claims that the United States is locked in a global war; a war of ideology, in which its enemies are bound together by a common ideology and a common hatred of democracy.[11][13][14][15][16][17]
Out of the National Security Stategy, four main points are highlighted as the core to the Bush Doctrine: Preemption, Military Primacy, New Multilateralism, and the Spread of Democracy.[18] The document emphasized preemption by stating: “America is now threatened less by conquering states than we are by failing ones. We are menaced less by fleets and armies than by catastrophic technologies in the hands of the embittered few.” and required “defending the United States, the American people, and our interests at home and abroad by identifying and destroying the threat before it reaches our borders.”[19]
Then Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, in 2006 stated that: “If I were rating, I would say we probably deserve a D or D+ as a country as how well we’re doing in the battle of ideas that’s taking place. I’m not going to suggest that it’s easy, but we have not found the formula as a country.”[16]
Unilateralism
Elements of the Bush Doctrine were evident in the first months of Bush’s presidency. Conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer used the term in February 2001 to refer to the president’s increased unilateralism in foreign policy, specifically regarding the president’s decision to withdraw from the ABM treaty.[20][21]