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Open Thread: Vice Presidential Debate…Play Vice presidential debate Bingo…Biden’s 14 Lies…LUNTZ FOCUS GROUP: Overwhelmingly believe Palin won. One holdout says that’s it’s too close to call.

By: Pam On: Oct/2/08 - 10 Comments

Who will win tonight’s vice presidential debate? Will openly liberal moderator Gwen Ifill be fair to GOP candidate Sarah Palin? Tune in via web or TV starting at 9pm ET to find out.
Post your comments and observations on the questions
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8:15P.M.= Michelle invites you to play Vice presidential debate Bingo

Did you know that someone’s created “Palin Bingo” cards for tonight’s VP debate?

You can find them here.

Reader Brian came up with Biden Bingo cards for our side.

Print and play

I do believe she delivered a great performance tonight!  She knocked him down.

What is a Bosniac?

Biden will hold Obama’s hand with every decision made!

SARAH ROCKS!

Sarah Palin is the real deal. Five weeks on the campaign trail, thrust onto the national stage, she rocked tonight’s debate.

She was warm, fresh, funny, confident, energetic, personable, relentless, and on message. She roasted Obama’s flip-flops on the surge and tea-with-dictators declarations, dinged Biden’s bash-Bush rhetoric, challenged the blame-America defeatism of the Left, and exuded the sunny optimism that energized the base in the first place.

McCain has not done many things right. But Sarah Palin proved tonight that the VP risk he took was worth it.

Her performance also underscored the underhandedness of the hatchet job editors at ABC News and CBS News, which failed to capture her solid competence on the whole array of foreign and domestic policy issues on the debate table tonight. (I didn’t care for all the “greed” rhetoric, but I understand they are trying to appeal to independents and Dems. They’re trying to win the election.)

Pause to reflect on this: She matched ” and trumped several times ” a man who has spent his entire adult life on the political stage, run for president twice, and as he mentioned several times, chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Biden, Palin spar on Iraq, economic crisis...

Via Ace:

JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Mark Levin:

I have been involved in and observed politics for a long time. Governor Palin is a truly unique national figure. She is down to earth, personable, and smart as hell. That’s right. She has been on the national scene for a little over a month, she has been campaigning everywhere, she has had to bone up on all kinds of national issues, and she has shown class throughout. Too often too many are persuaded by the mainstream media’s opinion and react to that. This should be another lesson in that regard. As for some of her populist views, she cannot openly campaign against the positions of her presidential running mate. She is the bright light in this campaign from my perspective.

LUNTZ FOCUS GROUP: Overwhelmingly believe Palin won. One holdout says that’s it’s too close to call.

McCain camp: She did it

Carl Cameron: Reuters pressing to have Palin’s ears checked for secret radios

They won’t check Obama’s campaign coffers for evidence of fraud but give them a neophyte VP who’s been shaky in her interviews and they are on the case. You’ll find that at the end here after a helpful reminder from Fred Thompson about how vicious the SNL skits would have been this month if she’d sunk to Biden’s depth of stupidity.

Democracy Alliance memo details Dem plan to “educate the idiots” and target minorities

Obama campaign manager calls Palin a great debater, reporters laugh

Thanks to Palin, RNC shatters monthly fundraising record in September

Go after Biden was the plan, and it worked!
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10 Responses to “Open Thread: Vice Presidential Debate…Play Vice presidential debate Bingo…Biden’s 14 Lies…LUNTZ FOCUS GROUP: Overwhelmingly believe Palin won. One holdout says that’s it’s too close to call.”

  1. The Pinch Collar Came Off Tonight « Mcnorman’s Weblog
    October 2, 2008 - 09:59 PM on October 2nd, 2008

    [...] over at Right Voices, they have (14) listed: 1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way”as Obama to [...]

  2. NY-David
    October 2, 2008 - 10:03 PM on October 2nd, 2008

    Oh, come on! She kept repeating the same talking points over and over. “the surge worked!” gets old after awhile.
    NY-David

  3. SARAH ROCKS! By Michelle Malkin | Saint Sarah Palin
    October 2, 2008 - 11:16 PM on October 2nd, 2008

    [...] Open Thread: Vice Presidential Debate:Play Vice presidential debate Bingo:Biden’s 14 Lies:LU… [...]

  4. nikko mahor
    October 2, 2008 - 11:29 PM on October 2nd, 2008

    sarah palin did well, especially when she showed her feisty side for which she is loved and appreciated… but it’s still the top of the ticket that matters. and john mccain needs to focus on getting HIS message out to the public. i think with the recent developments in the financial markets mess, obama gained some ground just because mccain is in the same party as president bush. he has to get his message out in stronger terms that he is not george w. bush and that he has a plan to jumpstart the economy back to recovery… he should focus on ECONOMIC RECOVERY, RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND WISE USE OF AMERICAN RESOURCES… my two cents worth…:)>-

  5. Robert
    October 2, 2008 - 11:50 PM on October 2nd, 2008

    Trying my best to be objective and look at it just in terms of the point count, I think it was pretty even. But I gagged on a couple of things:

    1. Biden stasting unequivocally that Climate change is caused by man. Not maybe, not likely, not possibly. Nope. Done deal. The science is in! I bet Al Gore wet his pants when he heard that. But what an utterly idiotic, moronic statement! That alone disqualifies him, imo.

    2. Palin saying “nucular”. Please, please, PLEASE stop that! It is a Bushism. I don’t care about accents or the ways people talk. It just sounds ignorant. Period.

    3. I’m still trying to figure out what a Bosniac is. Is it a Bosnian Obamiac?

    4. Biden’s gaffe when he was talking about the Obama plan to raise income tax on incomes over 250k. He kept blathering about how it will help the middle class, which is struggling, because it won’t raise their taxes one penny…huh? You babbling idiot! You define not raising their taxes as helping the middle class? Huge gaffe imo.

    More than once he stated that the increased taxes would help the middle class. Actually, the Gov’t would just take more from the upper middle class and the “rich”, then flush it down some corrupt rathole like earmarks for cronies. It wouldn’t help anyone but the political parasite class.

    btw $250k annual income in the SF Bay area is not rich, it is upper middle class. That is a double-income couple both working at above-average professional jobs. Here’s what a typical cash flow looks like:

    Income: $250k/yr, assume they own a home and are in a combined State and Fed 30% income tax bracket. Gross monthly income after Income taxes (net), FICA, and medicare tax: ~$15,800

    Monthly Expenses: Mortgage payment for an upper middle class home: $10,000.
    Prop Taxes and insurance: $1100.00

    That leaves $4700 each month to pay for utilities (average $600 per month), food, gas, vehicles, and everything else. If they have kids they are paying for daycare.

    That is with both parents sacrificing to work and bring in the money to support the cash flow. Now does that sound wealthy? Are they rich?

    Sarah Plain did well, and even if it was a draw, then she wins because she put to rest the talk about her being unqualified.

    So all considered, she came out on top.

  6. Another liberal double-standard. Surprise! « The Right Daily
    October 3, 2008 - 06:41 AM on October 3rd, 2008

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  7. Brian
    October 3, 2008 - 06:49 PM on October 3rd, 2008

    I’m sorry, but the Obama- Biden campaign just makes so much more sense. Why does Palin think we need to drill? We won’t see a drop of that for 10 years. Why don’t we work on new sources of energy and then in turn create jobs while doing so…? Makes sense.

  8. Pam
    October 3, 2008 - 07:09 PM on October 3rd, 2008

    Hi Brian-

    It will not take 10 years to get the oil. We need the oil/ natural gas to get us through until the alternatives are up, running efficiently, affordable, and available for mass distribution. By drilling and working on the alternatives, we will employ more people than just going with new vs old. Keep in mind, the job numbers you are creating with the alternatives is temporary. As we develop these alternatives and stop the oil production, we will see a loss of jobs.

  9. Robert
    October 3, 2008 - 10:17 PM on October 3rd, 2008

    Brian, the 10 yrs is utter nonsense. It is a Democrite talking point only.

    The Obama campaign is almost as clueless about energy as the Democrap leadership.

  10. Tel-Chai Nation
    October 4, 2008 - 11:05 AM on October 4th, 2008

    Sarah Palin scores big in the VP debate…

    I saw the debate early this morning, and I think she did very well…

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