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	<title>Comments on: Open Thread: Vice Presidential Debate&#8230;Play Vice presidential debate Bingo&#8230;Biden&#8217;s 14 Lies&#8230;LUNTZ FOCUS GROUP: Overwhelmingly believe Palin won. One holdout says that&#8217;s it&#8217;s too close to call.</title>
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		<title>By: Tel-Chai Nation</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/10/02/open-thread-vice-presidential-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-729938</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel-Chai Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sarah Palin scores big in the VP debate...&lt;/strong&gt;

I saw the debate early this morning, and I think she did very well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sarah Palin scores big in the VP debate&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I saw the debate early this morning, and I think she did very well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/10/02/open-thread-vice-presidential-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-729926</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 04:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, the 10 yrs is utter nonsense. It is a Democrite talking point only. 

The Obama campaign is almost as clueless about energy as the Democrap leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, the 10 yrs is utter nonsense. It is a Democrite talking point only. </p>
<p>The Obama campaign is almost as clueless about energy as the Democrap leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/10/02/open-thread-vice-presidential-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-729916</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brian-

It will not take 10 years to get the oil.  We need the oil/ natural gas to get us through until the alternatives are up, running efficiently, affordable, and available for mass distribution.  By drilling and working on the alternatives, we will employ more people than just going with new vs old.  Keep in mind, the job numbers you are creating with the alternatives is temporary.  As we develop these alternatives and stop the oil production, we will see a loss of jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian-</p>
<p>It will not take 10 years to get the oil.  We need the oil/ natural gas to get us through until the alternatives are up, running efficiently, affordable, and available for mass distribution.  By drilling and working on the alternatives, we will employ more people than just going with new vs old.  Keep in mind, the job numbers you are creating with the alternatives is temporary.  As we develop these alternatives and stop the oil production, we will see a loss of jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/10/02/open-thread-vice-presidential-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-729915</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but the Obama- Biden campaign just makes so much more sense. Why does Palin think we need to drill? We won&#039;t see a drop of that for 10 years. Why don&#039;t we work on new sources of energy and then in turn create jobs while doing so...? Makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but the Obama- Biden campaign just makes so much more sense. Why does Palin think we need to drill? We won&#8217;t see a drop of that for 10 years. Why don&#8217;t we work on new sources of energy and then in turn create jobs while doing so&#8230;? Makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Another liberal double-standard. Surprise! &#171; The Right Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another liberal double-standard. Surprise! &#171; The Right Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/10/02/open-thread-vice-presidential-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-729897</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying my best to be objective and look at it just in terms of the point count, I think it was pretty even. But I gagged on a couple of things:

1. Biden stasting unequivocally that Climate change is caused by man. Not maybe, not likely, not possibly. Nope. Done deal. The science is in! I bet Al Gore wet his pants when he heard that. But what an utterly idiotic, moronic statement! That alone disqualifies him, imo.

2. Palin saying &quot;nucular&quot;. Please, please, PLEASE stop that! It is a Bushism. I don&#039;t care about accents or the ways people talk. It just sounds ignorant. Period.

3. I&#039;m still trying to figure out what a Bosniac is. Is it a Bosnian Obamiac?

4. Biden&#039;s gaffe when he was talking about the Obama plan to raise income tax on incomes over 250k. He kept blathering about how it will help the middle class, which is struggling, because it won&#039;t raise their taxes one penny...huh? You babbling idiot! You define not raising their taxes as helping the middle class? Huge gaffe imo.

More than once he stated that the increased taxes would help the middle class. Actually, the Gov&#039;t would just take more from the upper middle class and the &quot;rich&quot;, then flush it down some corrupt rathole like earmarks for cronies. It wouldn&#039;t help anyone but the political parasite class.

btw $250k annual income in the SF Bay area is not rich, it is upper middle class. That is a double-income couple both working at above-average professional jobs. Here&#039;s what a typical cash flow looks like:

Income: $250k/yr, assume they own a home and are in a combined State and Fed 30% income tax bracket. Gross monthly income after Income taxes (net), FICA, and medicare tax: ~$15,800

Monthly Expenses: Mortgage payment for an upper middle class home: $10,000.
Prop Taxes and insurance: $1100.00

That leaves $4700 each month to pay for utilities (average $600 per month), food, gas, vehicles, and everything else. If they have kids they are paying for daycare.

That is with both parents sacrificing to work and bring in the money to support the cash flow. Now does that sound wealthy? Are they rich?

Sarah Plain did well, and even if it was a draw, then she wins because she put to rest the talk about her being unqualified.

So all considered, she came out on top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying my best to be objective and look at it just in terms of the point count, I think it was pretty even. But I gagged on a couple of things:</p>
<p>1. Biden stasting unequivocally that Climate change is caused by man. Not maybe, not likely, not possibly. Nope. Done deal. The science is in! I bet Al Gore wet his pants when he heard that. But what an utterly idiotic, moronic statement! That alone disqualifies him, imo.</p>
<p>2. Palin saying &#8220;nucular&#8221;. Please, please, PLEASE stop that! It is a Bushism. I don&#8217;t care about accents or the ways people talk. It just sounds ignorant. Period.</p>
<p>3. I&#8217;m still trying to figure out what a Bosniac is. Is it a Bosnian Obamiac?</p>
<p>4. Biden&#8217;s gaffe when he was talking about the Obama plan to raise income tax on incomes over 250k. He kept blathering about how it will help the middle class, which is struggling, because it won&#8217;t raise their taxes one penny&#8230;huh? You babbling idiot! You define not raising their taxes as helping the middle class? Huge gaffe imo.</p>
<p>More than once he stated that the increased taxes would help the middle class. Actually, the Gov&#8217;t would just take more from the upper middle class and the &#8220;rich&#8221;, then flush it down some corrupt rathole like earmarks for cronies. It wouldn&#8217;t help anyone but the political parasite class.</p>
<p>btw $250k annual income in the SF Bay area is not rich, it is upper middle class. That is a double-income couple both working at above-average professional jobs. Here&#8217;s what a typical cash flow looks like:</p>
<p>Income: $250k/yr, assume they own a home and are in a combined State and Fed 30% income tax bracket. Gross monthly income after Income taxes (net), FICA, and medicare tax: ~$15,800</p>
<p>Monthly Expenses: Mortgage payment for an upper middle class home: $10,000.<br />
Prop Taxes and insurance: $1100.00</p>
<p>That leaves $4700 each month to pay for utilities (average $600 per month), food, gas, vehicles, and everything else. If they have kids they are paying for daycare.</p>
<p>That is with both parents sacrificing to work and bring in the money to support the cash flow. Now does that sound wealthy? Are they rich?</p>
<p>Sarah Plain did well, and even if it was a draw, then she wins because she put to rest the talk about her being unqualified.</p>
<p>So all considered, she came out on top.</p>
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		<title>By: nikko mahor</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikko mahor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sarah palin did well, especially when she showed her feisty side for which she is loved and appreciated... but it&#039;s still the top of the ticket that matters. and john mccain needs to focus on getting HIS message out to the public. i think with the recent developments in the financial markets mess, obama gained some ground just because mccain is in the same party as president bush. he has to get his message out in stronger terms that he is not george w. bush and that he has a plan to jumpstart the economy back to recovery... he should focus on ECONOMIC RECOVERY, RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND WISE USE OF AMERICAN RESOURCES... my two cents worth...:)&gt;-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sarah palin did well, especially when she showed her feisty side for which she is loved and appreciated&#8230; but it&#8217;s still the top of the ticket that matters. and john mccain needs to focus on getting HIS message out to the public. i think with the recent developments in the financial markets mess, obama gained some ground just because mccain is in the same party as president bush. he has to get his message out in stronger terms that he is not george w. bush and that he has a plan to jumpstart the economy back to recovery&#8230; he should focus on ECONOMIC RECOVERY, RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND WISE USE OF AMERICAN RESOURCES&#8230; my two cents worth&#8230;:)>-</p>
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		<title>By: SARAH ROCKS! By Michelle Malkin &#124; Saint Sarah Palin</title>
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		<dc:creator>SARAH ROCKS! By Michelle Malkin &#124; Saint Sarah Palin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NY-David</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2008/10/02/open-thread-vice-presidential-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-729892</link>
		<dc:creator>NY-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, come on!  She kept repeating the same talking points over and over.  &quot;the surge worked!&quot; gets old after awhile.
NY-David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, come on!  She kept repeating the same talking points over and over.  &#8220;the surge worked!&#8221; gets old after awhile.<br />
NY-David</p>
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		<title>By: The Pinch Collar Came Off Tonight &#171; Mcnorman&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pinch Collar Came Off Tonight &#171; Mcnorman&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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