Update: Hoax SHOCK: MCCAIN VOLUNTEER ATTACKED AND MUTILATED IN PITTSBURGH UPDATE: PHOTO ADDED UPDATE: POLICE TO ADMINISTER POLYGRAPH

'B' CARVED INTO 20-YEAR OLD WOMAN'S FACE... DEVELOPING...

A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim’s car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter “B” into her face, Richard said.Richard said the woman refused medical treatment after the assault, which happened outside the view of the bank’s surveillance cameras.The robber is described as a dark-skinned black man, 6 feet 4 inches tall, 200 pounds with a medium build, short black hair and brown eyes. The man was wearing dark colored jeans, a black undershirt and black shoes.

H/T to Drudge

Via Ed:

The woman who was attacked has identified herself as Ashley Todd, who is a College Republican field representative.Â Here’s the photo:

Update Via Michelle Malkin: Via Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

A knife-wielding man robbed a McCain-Palin campaign volunteer and etched a “B” into her face after he saw a McCain bumper sticker on her car, the woman told Pittsburgh police.

Police planned to administer a polygraph test to Ashley Todd, 20, because her statements about the attack conflict with evidence from the Citizens Bank ATM where she claims the incident occurred, police said.

HOAX:

“She just opened up and said she wanted to tell the truth,” Bryant said. “She was upset with the media for blowing this into a political firestorm.”

She told Detectives J.R. Smith and Scott Evans varying stories about how she ended up with two black eyes and a backward letter “B” etched onto her right cheek late Wednesday. She said she remembers being in her car, driving around the city, and seeing the letter on her cheek when she looked into the rearview mirror. She said she immediately thought of Barack Obama when she saw the “B,” Bryant said.

“She said she doesn’t remember doing it but knows it must have been her who did it,” Bryant said.

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October 23, 2008 - 02:38 PM on October 23rd, 2008
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Crystal Diane Stevens
October 23, 2008 - 02:53 PM on October 23rd, 2008
This is what conservatives are dealing with every day courtesy of the crazy liberals who, while pretending to be anti-war, don’t think twice about resorting to violence. This is the latest in a string of bursts of violence against conservatives by Obama supporters. Meanwhile, there’s some idiot who has a carboard Sarah and Bristol Palin cut outs on their lawn next to a dead animal with its guts cut out and people are invited to “shoot” at the cut outs with pellet guns.
chris anderson
October 23, 2008 - 02:57 PM on October 23rd, 2008
This seems like a police blotter story, not a political story. She was accosted by a crackhead who wanted money, not because she was a McCain supporter. Kind of like the Republicans of Wall Street taking all of our pensions, then blaming the democrats.
Pam
October 23, 2008 - 03:14 PM on October 23rd, 2008
chris anderson- It doesn’t seem like a political story to you? Can you read? He had the money, she was attacked after he saw the bumper sticker.

Please explain how the Republicans took your pension..
Clifford
October 23, 2008 - 03:16 PM on October 23rd, 2008
“Blaming the Democrats”?…The Wallstreet ninnies are Democrats you fool!
mccain volunteer attacked
October 23, 2008 - 03:38 PM on October 23rd, 2008
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liberal bastard
October 23, 2008 - 03:43 PM on October 23rd, 2008
Hey Clifford. The wall street “ninnies” you refered to, are not all Democrats. In fact, most are hardcore right-wingers.

Get a clue dude.
Pam
October 23, 2008 - 03:53 PM on October 23rd, 2008
really LB? Why are “most” of them donating to Democrats? Open Secrets has the info on that..why don’t you go get a clue dude and get back to us..
liberal bastard
October 23, 2008 - 04:37 PM on October 23rd, 2008
They donate to both parties Pam. And they usually make their donations the same way a gambler places a bet at the track. They try to pick the winner. Seeing as how donating money to a loser won’t buy you much political influence. But I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to figure that out.

Historically, wall st. has been primarily affiliated with the right. For reasons ranging from tax policy to market regulation policy. Also, CEO’s of major investment banks, Paulson of Goldman Sachs comes to mind, have also primarily been republicans.
Samuel Cohen
October 23, 2008 - 07:13 PM on October 23rd, 2008
I cannot believe you think this stupid woman is telling the truth. She wouldn’t even file a report with the police.

Republicans, bend over. What goes around, comes around. Have a nice November 5th.
Pam
October 23, 2008 - 07:19 PM on October 23rd, 2008
Good God the trolls are getting dumber…She declined to go to the hospital last night after filling out the police report, but did go early this morning!
hoax
October 23, 2008 - 09:14 PM on October 23rd, 2008
Um…that “B” is a freaking scratch, how does that qualify as mutilation? It didn’t even break the skin, if he actually used a knife she would need stitches. HOAX.
Eben
October 23, 2008 - 09:21 PM on October 23rd, 2008
[url]http://www.palinaspresident.us/[/url]
Mark Hansel
October 23, 2008 - 09:57 PM on October 23rd, 2008
As a doctor, I can tell you that at least from what one sees in the picture, this abrasion is by no means caused by a knife, it is likely self made with a pencil eraser which caused an abrasion that will fully heal. I have seen carved flesh with a sharp instrument and it is a scar for life. What this lady has will fully heal. I believe this lady is going to be in trouble soon for faking this, unfortunately.
Robert
October 23, 2008 - 10:32 PM on October 23rd, 2008
As an Obama campaign operative, who along with others is monitoring this website, I will post any kind of excrement to undercut any news, posting, or anything whatsoever that is negative to our Messiah and Savior, Barack Saddam Hussein Osama bin Obama.

Isn’t that what you really mean, Mark Hansel, Hoax, samuel Cohen, and your comrades?
Sphincter
October 23, 2008 - 10:39 PM on October 23rd, 2008
Uh, yeah, this is obviously phony and a hoax. Those scratches were made by a pencil eraser, and the phony black eye is done with mascara. Anybody can see that.
The robbery is fake too, she probably donated that money to Palin’s $150,000 makeover fund!
Dave
October 24, 2008 - 12:25 AM on October 24th, 2008
Republican HQ Manager’s Home Shot Up Over McCain Signs

http://www.local6.com/politics/17784129/detail.html

Hope, Change and Molotov Cocktails

http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/10/hope-change-and-molotov-cocktails.html

Obama Supporter Assaults Female McCain Volunteer in New York

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/

Yesterday we asked why the media was reporting a McCain supporter calling Barack Obama an “Arab”and completely ignoring Obama supporters calling Sarah Palin a c*nt, even wearing T-shirts with the phrase “Sarah Palin is a c*nt”on them.

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/13/wow-staffers-also-wear-sarah-palin-cnt-t-shirts/
Chuck Wolber
October 24, 2008 - 02:47 AM on October 24th, 2008
Even Michelle Malkin is suspicious of this one:

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/23/why-that-mccain-volunteers-mutilation-story-smells-awfully-weird/

..Chuck..
Christian Anderson
October 24, 2008 - 06:01 AM on October 24th, 2008
She made this up to cover up for her boyfriend, the abusive alcoholic boyfriend Joe Six-Pack. An extension of McCain-Palin’s desperation tactics: LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE SOW RACIAL MISTRUST LIE LIE LIE BUY SOME NICE CLOTHES LIE LIE LIE LIE
libbie basher
October 24, 2008 - 06:30 AM on October 24th, 2008
Well what more would you expect from crazies who combine the worst parts of Islamic extremist, Commies, and Nazi’s but attacks. Just think how much worse it will get in America if the New Hitley wins in Nov.

Pam

Don’t try talking sense to a piece of fecal matter like Liberal Bastard or any it his, her its ilk. You can always tell a Liberal, but you can’t tell them much. Their little minds are clogged with their warped views.
Luigi Vuoto
October 24, 2008 - 06:47 AM on October 24th, 2008
I’m sorry, but this is so fake that it’s almost funny.

Do people really hate blacks so much that they’ll go to these lengths to try to make them look bad? I’m sorry for you.
AKD
October 24, 2008 - 07:48 AM on October 24th, 2008
I don’t doubt that there has been (and will be) violence. My sister is volunteering at a campaign headquarters for Obama in Ohio and they’ve had a number of death threats called in.

I wish that we could have a campaign where people talked about the issues and tried to determine what was best for the country. Instead we have fear-mongering and violence. This doesn’t do either side any good.
Pam
October 24, 2008 - 07:50 AM on October 24th, 2008
Your sister will be ok AKD, but I bet you worry..Good for her for volunteering..I’m sorry to hear she is going thru that!
Mark
October 24, 2008 - 09:32 AM on October 24th, 2008
Some conservative writers are now wondering if this incident is a hoax. See Michelle Malkin as an example:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/23/why-that-mccain-volunteers-mutilation-story-smells-awfully-weird

The young woman involved is now being re-questioned (including polygraph)in light of inconsistent testimony and security Video.

Be VERY careful or we’ll get sidetracked into bogus stuff again (like the API Michelle Obama audio fakery).
Samuel Cohen
October 24, 2008 - 10:00 AM on October 24th, 2008
All you REPUBLICANS need to prepare to BEND OVER.

What goes around, comes around.

Have a happy November 5th.

Now say after me: “President Obama, President Obama, President Obama…”
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October 24, 2008 - 11:01 AM on October 24th, 2008
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Patrick
October 24, 2008 - 12:10 PM on October 24th, 2008
Sorry, wingnuts. Her story turned out to be about as credible as McCain’s plan to win Pennsylvania.

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) â€• Police sources tell KDKA that a campaign worker has now confessed to making up a story that a mugger attacked her and cut the letter “B” in her face after seeing her McCain bumper sticker.

Ashley Todd, 20, of Texas, initially told police that she was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield and that the suspect became enraged and started beating her after seeing her GOP sticker on her car.

Police investigating the alleged attack, however, began to notice some inconsistencies in her story and administered a polygraph test.

Authorities, however, declined to release the results of that test.

Investigators did say that they received photos from the ATM machine and “the photographs were verified as not being the victim making the transaction.”

This afternoon, a Pittsburgh police commander told KDKA Investigator Marty Griffin that Todd confessed to making up the story.

The commander added that Todd will face charges; but police have not commented on what those charges will be.

According to police, investigators working on the interview process detected several inconsistencies in Todd’s story that differed from statements made in the original police report.

Pittsburgh Police Public Information Officer Diane Richard released a statement earlier today, saying: “Because of the inconsistencies in her statements, Ms. Todd was asked to submit to a polygraph examination which she agreed to do.”

No photos of Todd are being released by Pittsburgh Police at this time.

The investigation is continuing as officials determine what charges will be filed.
Robert
October 24, 2008 - 12:20 PM on October 24th, 2008
Samuel you may have a point. With all the fraud and corruption of Obama’s campaign plus the thuggery of Obama’s supporters, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Obama brownshirt organizations sprouting up everywhere. Criticize Obama and it’s off to the Gulag for you!

Now say after me: “Barack Saddam Hussein Osama bin Obama”
Gene Callahan
October 24, 2008 - 01:13 PM on October 24th, 2008
“This is what conservatives are dealing with every day courtesy of the crazy liberals who, while pretending to be anti-war, don’t think twice about resorting to violence. This is the latest in a string of bursts of violence against conservatives by Obama supporters…”

Except it was a fake. The woman just admitted she made it all up. Like, probably, were all the other “bursts of violence” you mention.
Robert
October 24, 2008 - 03:21 PM on October 24th, 2008
It turns out that her claim is about as credible as Obama’s claim he sat in Wright’s church for 20 years and never heard any hate-Americam hate-Whitey speech…yep, just as credible…
Pam
October 24, 2008 - 03:23 PM on October 24th, 2008
Or that Ayers is just a guy from the neighborhood.
Arliss
October 24, 2008 - 03:30 PM on October 24th, 2008
Republicans always fabricate violent acts against them to deflect attention away from the actual violent acts committed by their supporters.
Get a clue Pam!
She faked this just like every other story has been faked!
Christian Anderson
October 24, 2008 - 03:36 PM on October 24th, 2008
I’ve met Bill Ayers, I’ve met Barack Obama. Just about everyone who works in education reform in Chicago in the past 20 years has met them, worked with them, I will say this: Ayers comes across as narcissistic asshole. But he has paid his debt and has done good works. Most of your kids teachers have read his books. To demand remorse for acts 40 years ago smacks of the Inquisition. No surprise, considering the source.
As for Obama: one of the most intelligent, humble, present-in-the-moment kind of guys I’ve ever met in my 52 years. Very impressive. A listener. The strongest presidential candidate, ideology aside, to come across in my lifetime. We knew it then. A biracial, talented candidate who may help heal our most gaping wound, our founding national hypocrisies: manifest destiny and slavery.
Robert
October 24, 2008 - 04:42 PM on October 24th, 2008
“But he has paid his debt and has done good works.”

Depends on your definition of good works. Working to poison the minds of college students with radical Leftist ideology is not good in my book.
Christian Anderson
October 24, 2008 - 06:49 PM on October 24th, 2008
Call it constructive instead then. My point is, they are mainstream books, hardly leftist in their approach. This man is no terrorist, and certainly no threat to anyone, unless you think researching and thinking about the educational system is threatening.
Conservatives are out of fresh ideas, have wrecked the economy, bungled a war, have bad candidates this time around. Tehy feel they have no choice but to scare, divide and smear.
Christian Anderson
October 24, 2008 - 06:51 PM on October 24th, 2008
and it hasn’t worked. They have actually repelled the reasonable centrist voter away.
Pam
October 24, 2008 - 07:34 PM on October 24th, 2008
Who has paid for their acts? Ayers never paid for them nor does he regret what he did. Ayers is not a good person. He is a communist and a terrorist who got away with murder. He wishes they would have bombed more.

Education reform? He and Obama blew $150 million and made the situation worse, not better..that is in the archives..

Republicans did not wreck the economy, we both know it was the Democrats. Hell, even Bush was smart enough to leave a paper and audio trail warning these idiots, some cll the Democratic leadership, to put the proper regulations in place.

There isn’t a snowballs chance in hell that Obama will heal anything..
Chuck Wolber
October 24, 2008 - 08:04 PM on October 24th, 2008
No Pam, the bankers (not Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac) who were leveraged to the tune of 40-1 (or worse!) were to blame for this mess. What should have been a small blip caused a cascading failure that is now rippling around the world.

The CDS (Credit Default Swaps) issue was caused by Democrats fighting for de-regulation so that poor people (read: People who couldn’t afford to pay for a mortgate and shouldn’t have gotten one in the first place) could get into houses. It *SHOULD* have been just a blip on the overall financial radar.

Unfortunately Lehman Brothers was not able to unwind all of those CDS transactions to cover the failing sub-prime mortgages. Since they and all of the rest of the bankers were so heavily leveraged, it caused liquidity to dry up in the credit markets which basically caused the entire global economy to seize up.

This is more complicated than “THE DEMOCRATS DID IT NEENER NEENER NEENER!”. The banking industry has been slowly de-regulated for decades and this is the final result. The best and the brightest in the financial industry from both sides of the table are now admitting that voluntary oversight was just a plain bad idea.

..Chuck..
liberal bastard
October 24, 2008 - 08:56 PM on October 24th, 2008
In your face Pam! Turns out this chick is just another right-wing, race baiting, pitch fork carrying wingnut. HAHA!

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to be able to rub this in the faces of the so called ‘conservatives’. But it’s nothing compared to the feeling I’m gonna have Nov. 5th.
Robert
October 24, 2008 - 11:12 PM on October 24th, 2008
“and it hasn’t worked. They have actually repelled the reasonable centrist voter away.”

We’ll see on election day.
Robert
October 24, 2008 - 11:20 PM on October 24th, 2008
“Republicans did not wreck the economy, we both know it was the Democrats.”

Absolutely true. Why?

Bush inherited the Klinton recession, brought on by the massive Klinton tax increase. Klinton himself even acknowledged later it was too much of an increase.

The Democrites have kept this country from enacting any sort of workable energy policy (Nuclear energy + developing our own resources). That is the most fundamental issue affecting our economy, and has handicapped it while bankrupting us.

The Democrites, starting with Klinton, pushed the concept of giving loans to people who could not pay them back. They (Barney Frank and others) sat on committees that were supposed to have oversight. When Bush, McCain and others sounded the warnings years ago, the Democrites kept the status quo and said “no problem”.

So this is a DemokkkRat-caused problem. And what is the solution? Give more power and control to the vermin that caused it? Doesn’t make sense to me. But that’s because I have common sense…
Figaro Croe
October 25, 2008 - 06:33 AM on October 25th, 2008
So…when will the Republican fear tactics stop? It is sad that here in Texas it has worked perfectly!! No wonder this girl is from College Station – there is no more of an urban redneck town than that. I thought McCain was different but he has allowed RNC cronies of Bush to blur his campaign and stoop to these tactics, sadly. I just pray that it will not work come Nov 5th…just hope that America is bigger than this fear mongering. Bush used it against Kerry and McCain (and Palin) are using it too…
Christian Anderson
October 25, 2008 - 07:06 AM on October 25th, 2008
Notice no repubs address my comments about the qualities of Obama that make him an exceptional candidate and will make him an exceptional, maybe even transfromative president.

This is because the Republicans are out of ideas. They must rely on lies, sowing fear, and outright hoaxes like this one.

The right is now out of touch with the American mainstream. They can’t run a competent presidential campaign, they pick a not-ready-for-primetime vp and blame the media because the electorate can plainly see that she is not ready (60 perent of voters see Mrs. Palin as unqualified.

The Republicans find themselves in the same lace as the Dems after McGovern in 1972: out of touch, out of ideas, played out. That’s what happens when you get too extreme, right or left.

So yes, I am hopeful. But I am not naive: I can see from many comments on this site that fear and racism are alive and well in this country. And those who say healing is not possible are just saying that they would rather live in anger and fear than open up their minds and hearts. Something happened to them as individuals to make them so vicious and scared. Not sure what, but I ho[e they find peace with this new era.
Pam
October 25, 2008 - 07:50 AM on October 25th, 2008
No Chuck, it did start with Fannie and Freddie and cascaded from there..
Christian Anderson
October 25, 2008 - 11:01 AM on October 25th, 2008
I just watched McCain’s stump speech on CNN. Keep up the good work. Keep looking like an angry dwarf, with your booing, howling mobs and negative attacks. Keep acting like a bunch of yahoos. Those scenes are so appealing to the swing voter.

And make sure you keep having only white people in the background. And Cindy always makes sure she’s in the shot.

Don’t have your advance people coach the crowds a little, suggest they don’t scrunch their faces into those angry, unpleasant looking scowls. Not necessary.

Keep making stuff up. Keep up the class warfare (what a reversal, what a joke!)

Keep blaming the media. Classic loser talk.

If Obama wins, we will have fresh ideas, positive energy, someone who seeks to unify rather than divide. That is the choice swing voters are looking at.

So keep fighting, Senator McCain; with every boo and catcall and pandering to negativity and even racism you and your supporters grow smaller and smaller to the good-hearted people of America.

Obama’s running Reagan’s 1984 campaign and kicking ass. That makes McCain Dukakis. The pendulum swings. This is history.

CA
JMarra
October 25, 2008 - 02:03 PM on October 25th, 2008
HAH HAH HA HA Ha ha ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa!

BIG PHYLLIS DILLER LAUGH!

This is RICH! A LAUGH RIOT!

Watching the Morons For McCain indignantly snatch up the White Virginal Purity Sullied banner–

–and then drop it like a hot potato, after their racist pants are pulled down!

LOVE IT. Rightvoices–WRONGCHOICES!

HAH HAH HA HA Ha ha ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa!
Robert
October 25, 2008 - 11:12 PM on October 25th, 2008
Hey Christian, what are you going to after the election? When your job on the Obama campaign netsurfing and posting team ends—Are you hoping someone higher up will notice you now and you’ll parlay this into a full time gig?
Robert
October 25, 2008 - 11:19 PM on October 25th, 2008
“Notice no repubs address my comments about the qualities of Obama that make him an exceptional candidate and will make him an exceptional, maybe even transfromative president.”

Where did you post all that? Not in this thread. All I’ve seen you post is attacks on Republicans.

Yeah, I’m sure Obama would be a “Transformative” President—instead of marching down the path to Socialism, we’ll be running…

But if you are one of the Party members, that’s a good thing for you. Just like in the old Soviet Union where the masses were ruled by Marxism, but the party members had the champagne and caviar parties. Perhaps that’s what some of these persistent Obama supporters posting here are hoping for: they’ll get a party membership as a reward for their efforts.
Robert
October 25, 2008 - 11:21 PM on October 25th, 2008
“Bush used it against Kerry and McCain (and Palin) are using it too:”

Kerry lost because he is a douchebag and many voters were smart enough to figure it out.
Christian Anderson
October 26, 2008 - 05:50 AM on October 26th, 2008
The Cold War is over, dudes! “socialism” and capitalism are worn out buzzwords. In the global economy, we can’t afford to think in those outdated terms anymore. It’s simply another worn-out fear tactic.
BonBon
October 26, 2008 - 06:43 AM on October 26th, 2008
Well Christian, with America being the most powerful country in the world, what happens to us matters a great deal to the rest. Witness the recent stock market. When we went down, they went down. It may be a global economy but the burden of success rests on our shoulders.

Socialism is a reality. We already are headed that way with our welfare state. Imagine when the scales tip and we have a welfare state that far surpasses anything any other country engages in. We will have a depression on a grand scale and make no mistake, IT WILL AFFECT THE WORLD.
libbie basher
October 27, 2008 - 05:40 AM on October 27th, 2008
A mentally ill woman told a wild unfounded lie, hey maybe theres a future for this woman as a newscaster! She would be perfect for CNN, and for that matter any of the news media’s except FOX.
chris anderson
October 27, 2008 - 08:09 AM on October 27th, 2008
Thanks for your expert economic analysis. Bob Bon and Robert, but the fact is that the global economy, as we see right now, involves finding a balance between private market capitalism and government regulation and support. We cannot categorize our economy as purely capitalist when it is the government now providing the capital. Things move too quickly, are too complicated, and the scale is too large to manage otherwise.
The only societies that could be categorized as more free-market than ours are brutal, chaotic, and mostly broke right now. Government can provide stability, oversight, and, yes, can help those who are caught short in the rapid shifts.

Republicans now want to rail about taxes, when we have in the US the most progressive tax system and the lowest tax burden of any of the world’s leading powers. They say it is “not patriotic” to pay taxes, when it is taxes that pay for the protection of our troops, their medical care and rehab, their education and training, our roads and schools, our police and fire departments, etc etc.

Republicans default to this position because no one likes paying taxes, but mostly they say this because they are out of ideas and the world has left them behind.
Pam
October 27, 2008 - 08:32 AM on October 27th, 2008
The “not patriotic”to pay taxes was in response to Biden’s: Paying Higher Taxes Is Patriotic Says Biden, Who Averaged $245,000 Per Year In Salary For 10 Years But Only Avereraged $380 In Charitable Donations

The taxes we pay for our military and their care are not in question, as the military is a non-negotiable fixed cost and they do not get nearly as much as they should. Our police and fire departments also are fixed costs, with the lions share of their wages coming out of state/local taxes. Roads and education are another matter all together. We have thrown too much money at a failing education system. Hence, home schooling is on the rise, as are private, charter and military schools.

The roads? MDOT should be sued.
chris anderson
October 27, 2008 - 08:50 AM on October 27th, 2008
Let’s see, what else, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Homeland Security, the Coast Guard, FBI, ATF, DEA, etc. Intertste Highways, oil pipelines, and all the infrastructure buisness relies on to make money. Much of it federally funded, necessary to keep our economy strong. What’s bad about paying taxes?
Pam
October 27, 2008 - 09:07 AM on October 27th, 2008
First of all, the Coast Guard is the fifth branch of the military, so I do believe we covered that.

Infrastructure was also covered.

We are talking about the redistribution of wealth..go to one of those threads to continue the conversation.
Gene Callahan
October 27, 2008 - 09:15 AM on October 27th, 2008
“Let’s see, what else, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Homeland Security, the Coast Guard, FBI, ATF, DEA, etc. Intertste Highways, oil pipelines, and all the infrastructure buisness relies on to make money. Much of it federally funded, necessary to keep our economy strong.”

Necessary to keep our economy strong?!!!!! I guess that’s why the US economy was so weak in the 19th century, when we had just about none of those agencies.
Gene Callahan
October 27, 2008 - 09:16 AM on October 27th, 2008
“A mentally ill woman told a wild unfounded lie, hey maybe theres a future for this woman as a newscaster! She would be perfect for CNN, and for that matter any of the news media’s except FOX”

True, true. For FOX she’s have to be more obviously insane, and her lies much less believable.
Gene Callahan
October 27, 2008 - 09:19 AM on October 27th, 2008
“The taxes we pay for our military and their care are not in question, as the military is a non-negotiable fixed cost…”

So, the level of military expenditure is now “non-negotiable”, is it?

So much for democracy!

“and they do not get nearly as much as they should.”

The US military gets more money than all of the militaries of the rest of the world combined. If the US was not the most belligerent nation on Earth, we could get by spending about 1/10th of what we do now!
Pam
October 27, 2008 - 09:25 AM on October 27th, 2008
Gene is a perfect example of what ignorance looks like when one tries to jump into a conversation but didn’t pay attention to what was said prior.
Pam
October 27, 2008 - 09:32 AM on October 27th, 2008
I’d watch my step Gene
chris anderson
October 27, 2008 - 11:26 AM on October 27th, 2008
Whether Republicans or democrat are doing the taxing, taxes are indeed about redistribution of wealth, from the individual good to the common good. Everyone who pays taxes is giving a bit of their wealth, theoretically, to help us all. When Joe the Plumber loses his plumbing license, the govt is there to help him until he can find another job. That’s a good thing, right? Or I forgot he has no license and doesn’t pay his taxes. But you know what I mean.
That’s why the “I hate government, I hate taxes” argument is so empty.
Robert
October 27, 2008 - 11:39 AM on October 27th, 2008
“The US military gets more money than all of the militaries of the rest of the world combined. If the US was not the most belligerent nation on Earth, we could get by spending about 1/10th of what we do now!”

That has to be bullshit!
Pam
October 27, 2008 - 11:39 AM on October 27th, 2008
Martin Nesbitt, the treasurer of Obama’s campaign, has tax liens. So do his companies, but by all means, let’s go after Joe The Plumber!

How did the left get Joes info? Oh that’s right, illegally!

Helping a working family that is having a tough time is one thing, but supporting 3 generations of welfare families is quite another..but then again, we both know that is what the conversation is all about.
Robert
October 27, 2008 - 11:51 AM on October 27th, 2008
Gene Callahan must be another Obama campaign staff member. As the vote draws near it seems their activity is spiking again.
BonBon
October 27, 2008 - 12:02 PM on October 27th, 2008
What a post. Chris, with regards to your post on taxes. Read your american history book. The federal government was originally established to fund the military and protect the states. Nothing more. It was not meant to redistribute wealth or fund a growing nannie state.

Imagine. When you allow small business’s and corporations to florish, they hire people who have taxes taken out as well as improving their way of life by buying modern conveniences and technology generating a demand for more goods and subsequent tax revenues. THIS is what we should be looking at doing. NOT taking from the rich to give to the poor. The rich will eventually run out.
chris anderson
October 27, 2008 - 12:35 PM on October 27th, 2008
Well my Ph.D. is in economics but I have read a few history books!

The federal government was also orginally conceived to support slavery, denied the vote to women, etc. It has been amended a anumber of times. Socialism describes some aspects of all modern democratic-industrial states and has no real poiltical meaning anymore. The “nannie state” is pure Rush dittohead talk, a conservative buzzword used to oppose things like government-supported child care programs or insidious things like pre-natal care for young impverished mothers.

Things have changed a lot since our constitution was written, and gotten way more complicated. My only point is that the conservatives can take the next four years to find some new ideas. And I don’t think the richare in any danger of running out–in fact, they are getting richer, even now, as the middle class falls behind after eight years of Bush.

In my lifetime, all great economic expansions in this country have been presided over by Democratic Presidents. All the recessions have happened under Republicans. The only president who raised my taxes was a Republican.
Just pointing that out.

Anyway, this election has become a matter of competency, not ideology. That is what Obama is polling well.
Pam
October 27, 2008 - 12:47 PM on October 27th, 2008
Ph.D. is in economics? Robert is actually the POTUS and Bon Bon is the VEEP..Why don’t the three of you get acquainted..
BonBon
October 27, 2008 - 01:24 PM on October 27th, 2008
Oh I like that one Pam

Chris, as one who worked in the graduate program of a major university I can tell you I am NOT impressed with your having a phd. In fact I have often found that folks who possess a phd frequently lack common sense. I guess liberalism fits with the mentality of academia.

That being said, yes, I understand our society has grown and to some extent the federal government must make sure certain members of our society are taken care of. Social security for instance was set up to ensure people who were too old to work would still be able to pay rent/utilities and be able to buy food. It does not ensure they will be able to afford to travel the world.

One last thing on the tax issue. Clinton was the last president to raise taxes and in case you hadn’t noticed he was a Democrap. When he did that in his first term as president my standard of living fell to the point where I had to get a second job. His taxes, along with the governor of our state who was also a democrat and had raised state taxes, kept me from getting ahead until Bush was elected and lowered the rate. I can’t begin to tell you how many times I cried my eyes out. Literally. From that point on I will never trust a democrat when he says he’s going to give the middle class tax breaks while running down the list of new spending.

Sincerely………BonBon….VEEP
chris anderson
October 27, 2008 - 01:42 PM on October 27th, 2008
Well, BonBon, at least you as VP are more qualified than Sara Palin!

The only thing I would say is it’s dangerous road to vote for any party based on one issue. If they agree with you on thast issue, but are otherwise incompetent, that’s a problem. People have found that with Bush.

You don’t have to have a Ph.D. to know that like everything else, taxes will eventually go up to cover expenses.

A favorite Repblican trick is to not raise taxes, but raise all other govt fees, many of which are charged to small business, to get the needed revenue. They’ve done this in my state, and yes, it is enough to make you cry sometimes!
Pam
October 27, 2008 - 02:06 PM on October 27th, 2008
Illinois is run by corrupt Democrats and Chicago/Cook County in particular can thank Daley and the unions..They manage to raise the taxes, raise user fees and lessen the services that a person receives..so cry us a river about Republicans..
Gene Callahan
October 27, 2008 - 02:58 PM on October 27th, 2008
“Taxes are indeed about redistribution of wealth, from the individual good to the common good.”

I think what you meant to say was “from the individual good to whatever special interest has the squeakiest wheels.” Given your economics PhD, I assume you know public choice theory.
Gene Callahan
October 27, 2008 - 03:00 PM on October 27th, 2008
“I’d watch my step Gene”

I see — it’s OK for YOU to gratuitously insult ME, but should I respond in kind, well, that’s a whole different story!
Robert
October 27, 2008 - 03:06 PM on October 27th, 2008
“Well, BonBon, at least you as VP are more qualified than Sara Palin!”

Stop with the bashing Sarah Palin crap. It just makes you look like kool-aid drinking partisan hack. Sarah Palin has more executive experience than Obama does. End of story…
Pam
October 27, 2008 - 04:09 PM on October 27th, 2008
Yes Gene,

That is exactly right..
libbie basher
October 27, 2008 - 04:19 PM on October 27th, 2008
OO thre goes Geney Callahan can’t take it that Fox tells both sides, unlike CNN the Obama and Marxist worship center. O go have a limp wristed eye rolling hissy fit now. O hiss hiss.Better quit reading Right Voices and go back to CNN and get indoctorated into more Obama is god doses.
BonBon
October 27, 2008 - 05:21 PM on October 27th, 2008
Pam, I believe there are about 7 states that have gone to hell because of democrap mismanagement. The top three were Michigan, Illinois and Maryland.
Gene Callahan
October 27, 2008 - 05:26 PM on October 27th, 2008
“O go have a limp wristed eye rolling hissy fit now. O hiss hiss.”

Hmm, if you don’t like Fox News you’re a homosexual? Yes, Libbie Basher, that’s pretty reasonable.
Gene Callahan
October 27, 2008 - 05:27 PM on October 27th, 2008
“Yes Gene,

“That is exactly right..”

Fascism means never having to listen to one’s opponents!

And when they do speak, call them limp-wristed sissies.
Robert
October 27, 2008 - 06:29 PM on October 27th, 2008
“Pam, I believe there are about 7 states that have gone to hell because of democrap mismanagement. ”

Is Kalifornia on the list? It should be!

But I think the bigger point is: We cannot afford to have the Democraps wreck all 57 states (or 59 or 60, or however many Obama thinks there are)
Sphincter
October 27, 2008 - 08:16 PM on October 27th, 2008
Gene these right wingnuts are all the same. You can’t hope to educate them on Progressive concepts. They are not capable of understanding. But it won’t matter anymore when we have Congress and the White House; we will send out teams to stop their hate speech.
Christian Anderson
October 27, 2008 - 08:59 PM on October 27th, 2008
Konservatives, kut out the kute spelling and klunky puns.
Christian Anderson
October 27, 2008 - 09:00 PM on October 27th, 2008
Oh yeah. Ashley Todd for VP!
Christian Anderson
October 27, 2008 - 09:03 PM on October 27th, 2008
I will agree our Democratic governor in Illinois is an idiot. But not because he’s a Democrat.
Pam
October 27, 2008 - 09:08 PM on October 27th, 2008
Sphincter-

You are going to send teams?
FrmrArtyOffcr
October 28, 2008 - 12:53 AM on October 28th, 2008
Yes Sphincter, I have seen the light of a Liberal controlled House, Senate and White House. The Carter administration was indeed the light at the end of the tunnel. It just happened to be on the front of the economic lccomotive that would’ve resulted in the crash of this country’s economy had not Ronald Reagan woke up enough people to realize that over taxed businesses either fire employees and raise prices or go out of business, and unemployed people don’t have money for anything. Here’s a description of the end result of a resumption of Carter’s/Obama’s liberal agenda – STAGFLATION. That’s what happens when inflation, unemployment and interest rates escalate at the same time. There is ONLY one thing that can cause all three economic indicators to go up at once. OVER TAXATION. Been there, done that. Hope you like trying to buy $12/gal gas without a job while your adjustable rate mortgage hits 21%.

Honestly, many businesses are already planning lay offs in response to an Obama election. Most of the people who will lose their jobs, are the same morons who will be voting for Obama. If they don’t like the current 6.1% unemployment, let’s see how they like 10-15% unemployment. If they hate 6% inflation, they should LOVE 15% inflation. And if they are having trouble making their mortgage payments with an adjustable APR of 8.5% they’ll really be struggling to keep their house when it reaches 21% like it did under Jimmy Carter. Learn from history or fall victim to it.
Christian Anderson
October 28, 2008 - 06:27 AM on October 28th, 2008
“Many businesses planning lay=offs in response to an Obama election”? And your source is?

The sky is falling, the sky is falling! OBAMA COULDN’T SCREW THINGS UP MORE THAN BUSH HAS. TWO WARS< A WRECKED ECONOMY< RECORD DEFICITS.

Time, perhaps for some new ideas that transcend these old right-left tropes.

Maybe you’ll settle down when you get your Obama tax cut. Don’t be scared.

Cheers!
Pam
October 28, 2008 - 07:03 AM on October 28th, 2008
Bush didn’t do this, he has a paper trail with audio to back him up..this financial disaster belongs to your party and especially Obama. Especially Obama because he could have done the right thing and cast a vote with the Republicans but he chose to vote along party lines and tell us about a letter he wrote!

As to the wars, thank God Obama didn’t get his way. We will be able to exit Iraq victorius rather than the surrender monkey’s he would have preferred.

You do know that the next POTUS will make Bushes deficits look like childs play don’t you?
chris anderson
October 28, 2008 - 11:11 AM on October 28th, 2008
Yes it’s true this war will have our children’s children still struggling with a huge deficit. Add to that a huge banking bailout: whoever the next president is will have his hands full trying to find resources. At least with Obama/Biden you have a well-educated team that actually knows something about economics, as opposed to McCain who has admitted he doesn’t know much about economics, nor does it particularly interest him.

As to who wins in Iraq, I don’t think it will ever be clear. Will the insugents sign a surrender treaty? When does it become official? If you ask most Iraqis I wonder–their infrastructure totally destroyed, hundreds of thousands of civlilans killed, families divided, neighbors killing neighbors, and still no oil flowing from their wells. I wonder what this “victory” feels like to them, not to mention the tens of thousands of American soldiers who return badly maimed, their lives ruined, to inadequate, overwhlemed VA faciltities that are underfunded because the adminstration, spending billions on bombs and bailouts, have a phobia about asking the taxppayers to do any more, even to aid the wounded warriors. Republicans who say they “support the troops” have much to answer for.

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