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HOW DO DESCRIBE THE FEELING: How do you begin to contain the emotion of contributing to freedom for the very first time in over 50 years. And for many - the first time ever in their life? How do you contain the emotion of seeing a day arrive that you have dreamed of for many tortured, horrible, murderous nights…These pictures of Iraqi’s voting give us a bit of an idea.
tip: Kevin McCullough
Kevin says:
There will be more…many, many, many more…but why on earth it would ever strike someone like Michael Moore, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy etc., that these souls should never have been given the chance to do what you see here is - in a word - EVIL!
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January 29, 2005 - 08:57 PM on January 29th, 2005
I sincerly hope this is the beginning of a free and peaceful Iraq! Congratulations.:smile:
January 29, 2005 - 09:04 PM on January 29th, 2005
Not to diminish what they are doing, but we couldn’t come up with a better way than dipping the finger in the ink?
January 29, 2005 - 10:20 PM on January 29th, 2005
Thanks for posting these pictures, I immediately shared them with my parents. And it made me tear up when I saw the sign that read “God Bless Iraq” or the man who was crying after voting and the photo of that adorable little girl.
January 29, 2005 - 10:36 PM on January 29th, 2005
This is what the Iraqis need to experience to know that freedom is worth fighting for and living in fear is not a natural state.
January 29, 2005 - 10:59 PM on January 29th, 2005
Yay, Simon the moron is back since his mom gave him computer access afet being grounded.
Reilly, Lisa, is there any way to block this idiot? I am fine with a liberal point of view, but this guy is so whacked that he wants to kill our soldiers and agrees with the terrorists.
Pathetic - and he’ll be hanging with Satan some day soon.
January 29, 2005 - 11:49 PM on January 29th, 2005
I was surprised to hear that the U.N. has no representatives in Iraq.
January 29, 2005 - 11:51 PM on January 29th, 2005
4- They were announcing that they weren’t being deterred by the attacks. I thought that was a somewhat positive sign.
January 30, 2005 - 06:58 AM on January 30th, 2005
Michael more did not say it was evil for Iraqis to vote. The guy has provided plenty of material for you to bash him over so it is not necessary to stretch the truth. Although why you would want to waste so much breath over him is beyond me.
January 30, 2005 - 07:15 AM on January 30th, 2005
Moore et al may have supported the right of Iraqi to vote in the abstract, but they did everything they could to keep it from happening in reality, because a free Iraq = Liberal hell.
January 30, 2005 - 07:42 AM on January 30th, 2005
Walter- they have been interviewing people going to the polls, and they all say it is a bullet against terrorism.
January 30, 2005 - 08:03 AM on January 30th, 2005
[...] by: John McCrarey @ 5:03 pm | Filed under: Politics
No, these people are not worthy of the blessings of democracy. Keep telling yourself that Ted [...]
January 30, 2005 - 09:43 AM on January 30th, 2005
kevin’s quote at the end of the into to this forum is full of ill will, misunderstanding and an astonishing ignornace of the priciples the people he mentions.
he takes this opportunity to say liberal suck. i have no problem with this.
we won’t talk about bad policy, motives and ‘miscalculations’ the nation-builders who have got to this point over the graves of the innocents. i have no problem with that.
all spin is bad for America. treating the oppostions as EVIL is unpatriotic and stupid.
January 30, 2005 - 09:45 AM on January 30th, 2005
btw, i wouldn’t want to have anyone take my last line in 11 personally unless you’re guilty of it.
then, by all means, take it to heart.
January 30, 2005 - 09:50 AM on January 30th, 2005
peejz -save you’re bitter breath. i have no interest in your yellow faces or opinions.
you have no credibility. join pcd.
January 30, 2005 - 10:26 AM on January 30th, 2005
#11 - - It’s sad that on such a great day for the Iraqi people who stick with spin and theories. You are taking Kevin’s words out of context. You know what he said and he know he is right.
Can’t you be happy that the Iraqi people are no longer oppressed? Can’t you take any joy in the fact they are getting leadership of their choice? Do you have no positive feelings or thoughts that they aren’t under the hand of a murdering tyrant and his regime and are voting in their first free election?
I think you are proving Kevin’s point.
January 30, 2005 - 10:44 AM on January 30th, 2005
freedom always makes me happy. the quote at the bottom of the intro did not.
i would have stayed silent, still praying that all goes well, but for that.
you eneded it with that boxed quote. why?
January 30, 2005 - 10:48 AM on January 30th, 2005
you’re also confusing the sentiment.//well we may not have had to go to war, but now that we’re there,lets just make that water under the bridge.
those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.
you want to start the commentng at point ‘b’.
i’l stick to point ‘a’.
Reilly, i don’t thnk you claim to be objective on this, so why are you judging my take?
January 30, 2005 - 11:04 AM on January 30th, 2005
15 - do you not get that it’s HER site?
I loved the quote. He’s absolutely right. And you know it, shiloh.
Damn, I thought you were gone. It was so nice here yesterday.
January 30, 2005 - 11:17 AM on January 30th, 2005
I didn’t make the post - Lisa did and it is a fantastic post at that
January 30, 2005 - 11:21 AM on January 30th, 2005
#16 - - how do you think the Iraqi people got to this point? Do you think Saddam would have just stepped down and said, “OK democracy for everyone” - - He had to be removed by force as did his regime - - Freedom is not free as you well know from the history of the world and war is also a big part of the equation when seeking democracy and freedom as a result.
And what is there for me to be objective about, shiloh? The people of Iraq are voting in their first free election - - what is to be objective about with that?
January 30, 2005 - 11:24 AM on January 30th, 2005
yes K - i get it.
January 30, 2005 - 11:25 AM on January 30th, 2005
#17 - - It’s not just my site, K - - Right Voices (aka Boycott Hollywood) was thought up by Chris and Lisa and I was the fortunate friend who was asked to come on board way back in the early days to be a poster / admin - - and I’ve gotta say it’s been a great ride so far and I look forward to being a part of RV for a long time to come
January 30, 2005 - 11:29 AM on January 30th, 2005
#15 - - To answer your question of
“you ended it with that boxed quote. why?”
We use blockquotes to show that it is a statement made by someone other than the poster - - it gives credit. Look at the posts throughout the site and you will see the same all around, shiloh.
January 30, 2005 - 11:30 AM on January 30th, 2005
shall we remove the heads of state of Iran, Syria & every other state where people aren’t free? - (Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Pakistan get a pass i understand) & build these nations, too.
talking about Iraq is a moot point. the policy and intentions to ‘bring peace to the middle east’ thru pre-emptive action is one that will have you posting similar pictures in future years after many many deaths due to wars that will be sold for all kinds of reasons. apparently, your emphasizing the humanitarian, at the moment.
excuse me for attributing it you, Reilly.
January 30, 2005 - 11:35 AM on January 30th, 2005
shiloh, Saddam Hussein and his regime murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraq’s citizens - - should the world just sit back and say, “wow, that’s too bad”.
Should the world have sat back and let Saddam become a power with WMD? Yes, I know none were found - - but we also know the UN was not allowed within that countries borders for well over a decade - - what was he hiding, shiloh?
You see you want to jump to all over nations who aren’t a democracy instead of realizing how fantastic this really is for Iraq. You’d rather spin into your negative abyss and discount all the good that has happened for that nation and its people.
You cannot deny how great these images are - - these people are thrilled to be able to vote. From laughter to tears they are voting in a historical free election in Iraq - - When was the last time you found yourself weeping when you cast your vote?
January 30, 2005 - 11:36 AM on January 30th, 2005
22 - i was asking more about the content of the quote rather than the box.
it seemed a tangential comment to tag at the end of the feel-good character of the intro.
as long as one does not claim the objective, center position on issues, we remain comfortable about where everyone is coming from.
but to come from off center, without accepting that the spin will be taken into account, is not realistic.
other than that, good morning, ladies.
January 30, 2005 - 11:40 AM on January 30th, 2005
The quote is the truth, shiloh - - This is a historic moment in Iraq. It is a free election - - and the people mentioned in the quote were all against the liberation of Iraq - - it’s all in context and you know that - - you just simply can’t stand that it is in your face.
January 30, 2005 - 11:42 AM on January 30th, 2005
great images, no doubt. i support Democracy in Iraq. it’s the cart after the horse, in that we shouldn’t have gone in. we are friends and do business with nations who do not recognize basic human rights for their citizens. & we go one doing business with them. i would like some consistency. i would like to know what we’re doing in the Sudan which is making Saddam look like a kind uncle.
there are motives behind our foreign policy that have absolutely nothing to do with human rights.
i thhink you’re buying a bill of goods. & the reson Rice is promoted is cause she sold it well, even tho it was worthless.
i am cautiously optimistic about Iraq. don’t tell me how i think about it beyond that.
January 30, 2005 - 11:46 AM on January 30th, 2005
no one is against the liberation of people who are not free. you can spin that to say they were against it if you want. but it sounds silly.
we are a nation of laws and not the freedom-bringer to the world. there are many against the means we’re employing, not the ends.
we can’t start wars of ‘liberation’ just on humanitarian grounds. again, if that’s the rationale you use, Sudan here we come.
January 30, 2005 - 11:51 AM on January 30th, 2005
We shouldn’t have gone in? So you are one of those who would rather sit in your easy chair and say, “wow - that’s too bad that hundreds of thousands of those Iraqis are being murdered by their government”.
We never denied having done business with Iraq many years ago - - You aren’t stating anything we do not know. The history of the world shows this is not an uncommon thing to occur. You can bring up Sudan and other nations (I’m sure Saudi Arabia is in your list somewhere as you seem to be anti SA) - - but you are ignoring the basic facts of this election, shiloh.
IT IS GOOD!
The United States and other nations went into Iraq and cleaned house. A murderous tyrant and his raping sons and cloned regime are out of power. These people are voting for their future - - a future they will have some say in. I’m not going to get into the many issues as to why the US and other nations went into Iraq - - those you should already know.
January 30, 2005 - 11:58 AM on January 30th, 2005
shiloh, did you miss the dozens of posts on this site alone with quotes from these people and others like them? I’m not spinning - - I am stating a fact. One you apparently choose to ignore.
If the world sat back and let the likes of nations like France tell us all what to do we’d all be sitting around watching the murders of innocent millions. We would sit back and allow the terrorists to intimidate us and hide in our homes because we would be scared to venture out of doors. No one said we were the freedom bringers of the world - - no one assumes we are….. but for you to ignore the realities of the lives the Iraqi people were living before Saddam and his regime were removed is something I will never understand.
The war in Iraq was for much more than just to liberate the people - - again you should already know this, but keep on spinning shiloh in Sudan and other nations and ignore the real truths about Iraq. I think it’s interesting you can’t face what a great job the US and other nations have done in Iraq and how wonderful it is that the Iraqi people are helping themselves and doing so much for their future. It seems to make you choke.
January 30, 2005 - 12:20 PM on January 30th, 2005
the US has not done a great job in Iraq. the lack of post-war planning, the looting, the disbanding of all security forces, the human rights abuses we have practiced (albeit on a limited basis).
what we have done a good job in is ‘catch-up’. the disaster of our post war plans does not usually mean a reward for those who made, or didn’t, make or understand them.
Cheney said, ‘greeted as liberators’.
your mis characterizing my support for this election to somewhere where you can say i’m taking things out of context.
i had not read any posts in this forum before i responded to the boxed quote. & from that, here we are.
since we seem to mising each other’s understanding, i will understand your desire to go on to other things.
January 30, 2005 - 12:27 PM on January 30th, 2005
let me try to sum it up in a neat & simple way.
the hoped for success of the Iraqi Democratic ‘experiment’ in nation building does not cover a multitude of mistakes that has got us to this point.
to say ‘all is forgiven’ because a good result is perceived, is to invite the same ‘miscalculations’ in the future.
thank you & don’t forget to tip your waitresses.
January 30, 2005 - 12:33 PM on January 30th, 2005
17 K - it was so nice here yesterday, without me.
you kids are using various forums for social hours. i have no problem with that. when i comment on issues, perhaps you should stick to the personal, and leave me & my views alone.
after you guys meet in Chicago, i can only imagine that a separate ’socializing forum’ might have to be ongoing, so that issue-oriented posts won’t disturb you.
January 30, 2005 - 01:09 PM on January 30th, 2005
They absolutly refuse to allow a bunch of cowardly terrorists to intimadate them and they will vote no matter what:cool:
January 30, 2005 - 01:28 PM on January 30th, 2005
#33 - well it’s a good thing this isn’t your blog, shiloh - - you do seem a tad bit jealous
January 30, 2005 - 01:30 PM on January 30th, 2005
29,
Reilly, one house has been cleaned and another is far from certain. My concerns about the invasion and current campaigns are pretty multifaceted, not the tripe that Walter attributes to liberals in #9. (By the way, your shot at France is 30 is wholly unjustified, I assure you that France lives everyday with Islamic extremism in ways that would constitute an American nightmare). With hindsight, the Iraq War has:
1) deposed Saddam Hussein, a brutal dictator
2) not found the weapons that formed the major justification for war
3) deepened Sunni/Shia divisions, and electorally, it appears, disenfranchised a 20% minority of the Iraqi population
4) expanded the membership of Al-Qaeda linked groups in a greater quantity than are being killed in Iraq (Jason Burke, others); essentially emboldening what was a broken and divided organization.
5) Committed US troops to 5-15 years of nation building; the first 2 years have resulted in 1430 US troop deaths (and probably 50 civilians) and 1591 non-Iraqi coalition deaths.
6) Resulted in the deaths of 30-70,000 Iraqi civilians since March 2003. Saddam’s regime, since 2000, had killed approximately 900 political prisoners.
January 30, 2005 - 01:30 PM on January 30th, 2005
Shiolh,,, your “America has not done a great job in Iraq” crap…
Could you do a better job?
NO
I didn’t think so.
I am proud of what we have accomplished there. I pray for Iraq’s success. Get rid of your partisanship, and pray for their future. Be on the right side of history.
January 30, 2005 - 01:31 PM on January 30th, 2005
OMG Sandy, do you wish the dictator was still in power!
Disgustingly blind partisanship.
January 30, 2005 - 01:39 PM on January 30th, 2005
oops sandyb you forgot to put something on your list - - You forgot that there is now a nation of free citizens who are voting and are making their voices heard in the first ever free election in Iraq in decades and decades. Let’s not forget this one sandyb
January 30, 2005 - 01:42 PM on January 30th, 2005
38,
No, I didn’t say that. I’m arguing that in my mind, the negative effects of the invasion/occupation may outweigh and even overcome the good that has resulted from it. My post was amn exasperated response to Kevin McCullough’s characterization of my political opinions as ‘evil’. The election, I’m afraid (and its early) has been a great step toward a civil war. Let’s hope I’m wrong.
January 30, 2005 - 01:43 PM on January 30th, 2005
39,
that would be my first one. And your idealism shocks me. ‘Now a nation of free citizens?’ Iraqis had an election to pick an assembly who will pick a government. Under whose defintion is that democracy?
January 30, 2005 - 01:45 PM on January 30th, 2005
37,
history isn’t a football game, John. All one can do is think about and evaluate what they know, hear, and read.
January 30, 2005 - 01:48 PM on January 30th, 2005
JG,
i think you’re letting your knee-jerk reaction to defend the military get in the way of looking at the political leaders and their policies objectively. no one is criticizing the troops.
i’m sure the military has done the absolute best they could, given some of the decisions of their civilian commanders.
January 30, 2005 - 01:51 PM on January 30th, 2005
i hear there were many candidates that were afraid to campaign or even put their names on any ballot.
the voters are, in some cases, voting for an idea, not the man. this wold be like voting Democratic, not knowing if you’d get Lieberman or Dean.
i would not call this an informed electorate.
January 30, 2005 - 01:52 PM on January 30th, 2005
& if you have any doubt about what i think, i agree with the first picture at the top:
G_d bless Iraq
January 30, 2005 - 02:22 PM on January 30th, 2005
18- sorry!
January 30, 2005 - 02:26 PM on January 30th, 2005
There are reports that many polling stations didn’t even open in Sunni areas:
“But a group of Sunni clerics had called for its followers to boycott the polls, which were largely deserted throughout the day in many cities in the Sunni Triangle north and west of the capital, particularly in Fallujah, Ramadi and Beiji. In Baghdad’s mainly Sunni Arab area of Azamiyah, the neighborhood’s four polling centers did not open at all, residents said”.
MSNBC - Jan 30, 2005.
January 30, 2005 - 02:27 PM on January 30th, 2005
33 - Shiloh, we come here to chat about the issues. Occasionally we talk about personal stuff. It’s fun, deal with it. You even joined in one evening, and you are always welcome.
Reilly, I guess I knew it was Lisa and Chris’ baby, what I meant was you were one of the admins. Of course, that was before I saw this was Lisa’s post
ops:
January 30, 2005 - 02:38 PM on January 30th, 2005
You can not take an axe to the fire hoses, and then praise the firemen.
Those who obstruct the chastisement of evil are equally evil, since evil would exist far less if it had no helpers tripping up the just.
Shinola, implant it.
January 30, 2005 - 02:51 PM on January 30th, 2005
the thought of possible exclusion from the Right Voices Social Club, not being able to discuss college basketball and who is or is not acting trampy, does not fill me with dread.
certain members of the Club have attacked my character on a number of occasions, so the level of my social acceptance is not high on my list of cares.
until your next insight…..
January 30, 2005 - 02:53 PM on January 30th, 2005
50 - well, it’s obvious you read our posts since you seem to be pretty up on what’s going on.
January 30, 2005 - 02:57 PM on January 30th, 2005
Walter E Wallis,
you & Snowy Egret as members of the ‘hit & run’ club of people, aren’t interested in conversation or debate or reaching any kind of understanding of anything except the most superficial knowledge of another’s thinking.
’stick it’ does not engender intelligent discourse.
attack is a common, but sad, reminder of how little respect we give to others opinions.
stick that.
January 30, 2005 - 03:00 PM on January 30th, 2005
52 - shiloh, snowy egret reads the posts and comments on them. he doesn’t need to engage in any discourse with the rest of us. read post, leave a comment.
this site is not called “argue with shiloh”
January 30, 2005 - 03:00 PM on January 30th, 2005
51 - i search for relevancy & things of interest to me. i am not disputing your right to your conversation, & would prefer not be be judged for not participating in certain topics.
January 30, 2005 - 03:04 PM on January 30th, 2005
Snowy Egret is many things. among the things he does is attack other’s positions without defending his own.
hard to respect that.
January 30, 2005 - 03:05 PM on January 30th, 2005
54 - agreed.
55 - he talks about the posts, not about anyone on the site. shit, i don’t think he even knows we exist.
January 30, 2005 - 03:06 PM on January 30th, 2005
53 - would you share what the site is not called with peejz?
don’t bother.
January 30, 2005 - 03:08 PM on January 30th, 2005
56 - your comment about Egret not knowing we exist is both very funny & usually correct.
January 31, 2005 - 07:27 AM on January 31st, 2005
Hey, Shinola, I don’t run [except at Kunu Ri]
You make life a Simon Sez game. Life ain’t. Real values trump protocols any day with grownups.
January 31, 2005 - 04:30 PM on January 31st, 2005
A few of my right wing friends have echoed Kevin’s sentiment… you know, saying liberals must hate that Iraq has taken the first step toward what we hope will be a democracy. That’s ridiculous. Let’s share this great moment in Iraqi history. . . one that every American can appreciate.
January 31, 2005 - 04:36 PM on January 31st, 2005
60: True. But it seems some appreciate it just a little more or less grudgingly than others.
January 31, 2005 - 05:12 PM on January 31st, 2005
In that 8th picture down, I love that guy’s shoes.
February 1, 2005 - 06:54 AM on February 1st, 2005
During a news conference, President Ghazi al-Yawer was asked whether the presence of foreign troops might be fueling the Sunni Arab revolt by encouraging rebel attacks.
“It’s only complete nonsense to ask the troops to leave in this chaos and this vacuum of power,” al-Yawer, a Sunni Arab, said.
He said foreign troops should leave only after Iraq’s security forces are built up, the country’s security situation has improved and some pockets of terrorists are eliminated.
“By the end of this year, we could see the number of foreign troops decreasing,” al-Yawer said.
Al-Yawer had been a strong critic of some aspects of the U.S. military’s performance in Iraq, including the three-week Marine siege of the Sunni rebel city of Fallujah in April.
Al-Yawer helped negotiate an end to that siege. But the city fell into the hands of insurgents and religious zealots, forcing the Marines to recapture Fallujah last November in some of the heaviest urban combat for American forces since the Vietnam war.
“There were some mistakes” in the occupation “but to be fair … I think all in all it was positive, the contribution of the foreign forces in Iraq,” al-Yawer said. “It was worth it.”
Later Tuesday, Defense Minister Hazem Shaalan said Iraq would only ask U.S. and other forces to leave when the country’s own troops were capable of taking on insurgents.
“We don’t want to have foreign troops in our country, but at the same time we believe that these forces should stay for some time until we are able to control the borders and establish a new modern army and we have efficient intelligence,” Shaalan told reporters. “At that time … we’ll ask them to leave.”
February 1, 2005 - 07:22 AM on February 1st, 2005
62- I had not even noticed that!
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