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They couldn’t just do it out of the kindness of their hearts?
PHILADELPHIA - The performers at the Live 8 show in Philadelphia are getting thousands of dollars in gifts. The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that celebrities at the event will be given designer suits, satellite radio subscriptions, Gibson guitars, $125 ties, $330 sweat suits and watches worth between $1,500 and $6,000. Total worth: $12,000.
The products were donated by manufacturers. Giving celebrities gift bags is common for award shows like the Grammys or the Oscars. Loyola Marymount University business and ethics professor Thomas White says it’s not unethical, but it is a gray zone.
The celebrities will also eat gourmet food catered by one of Philadelphia’s top restaurant owners, who is donating his services. The menu includes char-grilled dry aged beef, tea-smoked spare ribs and chicken and ginger dumplings.
Let me get this straight; they get corporate sponsors and instead of asking for money for the cause..starvation..they instead asked for gifts to hand out to the entertainers?
July 2, 2005 - 09:32 AM on July 2nd, 2005
And are these the same bunch who are alwaying ranting about corperations wrecking the enviroment? and cuasing global warmming and destroying the rainforests? what a bunch of two faced liberal demacrats:mad:
July 2, 2005 - 12:21 PM on July 2nd, 2005
Um, where in the article does it say they “asked for gifts to hand out to the entertainers”? It’s common for companies to initiate contact with charities and offer up whatever services they can provide.
July 2, 2005 - 10:21 PM on July 2nd, 2005
2- um tofu- it doesn’t. I believe they could have waived the gifts for the celebrities and instead offered to hang company banners and keep reading the corporate sponsors names throughout the telecast. In addition to this, take the dollar value of the gift and ask them to instead donate cash to the charity. Last time I checked, Sean Combs did not qualify as charity.
July 2, 2005 - 10:44 PM on July 2nd, 2005
3, most of these wankers don’t do a damn thing unless they are suitably bribed. My brother told me about when Target opened a new store in Hollywood, that to get the stars to come out, they had to offer goodie bags for each and every one.
July 3, 2005 - 09:28 AM on July 3rd, 2005
Peejz: the charity doesn’t need cash, and it’s far easier for a company to donate products and services than it is cash.
PCD: bribing celebs to come out for a ’store opening’ is certainly different than providing support for a charity concert.
This concert was non-partisan– why the nit-picking over minute details?
July 3, 2005 - 09:36 AM on July 3rd, 2005
am i correct that this concert was an effort to raise public awareness of African poverty?
i couldn’t tell from the intro or the subsequent comments.
if so, isn’t it kind of like saying /Bill Gates gave 6 billion $ over the past 9 years, but he lives in a 500,000 million dollar house so let’s forget about the former and emphasize the latter?
is there a ball to keep our eyes on?
July 3, 2005 - 09:36 AM on July 3rd, 2005
am i correct that this concert was an effort to raise public awareness of African poverty?
i couldn’t tell from the intro or the subsequent comments.
if so, isn’t it kind of like saying /Bill Gates gave 6 billion $ over the past 9 years, but he lives in a 500,000 million dollar house so let’s forget about the former and emphasize the latter?
is there a ball to keep our eyes on?
July 3, 2005 - 09:45 AM on July 3rd, 2005
It’s not about giving money– it’s about solving the problem, which in part, will require money– but more importantly, changes in policy. Live8 targets public awareness and provides a unified voice to the G8 leaders.
July 3, 2005 - 09:50 AM on July 3rd, 2005
thanks, tofu.
July 3, 2005 - 10:14 AM on July 3rd, 2005
8- Not at all Tofu. This has everything to do with money. Where do you think the leaders will get it from? Why are the organizations involved asking for donations. I will use One org as an example. Why would these artists accept the gifts from these companies? Wasn’t the message supposed to be to get the leaders to listen? What did the gifts have to do with that?
July 3, 2005 - 10:19 AM on July 3rd, 2005
7-”if so, isn’t it kind of like saying /Bill Gates gave 6 billion $ over the past 9 years, but he lives in a 500,000 million dollar house so let’s forget about the former and emphasize the latter?
is there a ball to keep our eyes on?”- No it isn’t shiloh. Bill Gates doesn’t have a habit of taking payment for his kindness. Bill Gates is a very wealthy man. He has donated billions of dollars, and countless hours for the good of people.
July 3, 2005 - 10:23 AM on July 3rd, 2005
so let’s stipulate the entertainers are scummy and have a forum on African poverty & relief.
do the negative/attack forums come out on slow news days? is there a monthly minimum?
if we cater to the lowest common denominator, we will miss the larger issues.
July 3, 2005 - 10:28 AM on July 3rd, 2005
12-I have no idea what you are trying to say. The entertainers in the US concert accepted gifts for their performances whereas the entertainers from abroad settled for “skittles and a beer” as one British entertainer put it.
July 3, 2005 - 10:40 AM on July 3rd, 2005
what is the more important issue.
for example, we spent a few days bad-mouthing Mark Felt while Nixon’s crimes were defended by “well, he was never convicted”. which is the real issue, Felt or Nixon?
what’s the real issue - selfish entertainers or the staggering death rates in Africa due to poverty & disease?
p.s
(do you have any idea of the percentage of forums here that are negative in their presentation?)
July 3, 2005 - 10:41 AM on July 3rd, 2005
Selfish entertainers
July 3, 2005 - 11:06 AM on July 3rd, 2005
it’s your show, peejz. i understand that & got no problems wit dat.
slamming Hollywood & associates has a long & proud tradition here. reading some of these forums is better than than supermarket checkout rags.
whatcha got on Oprah’s politics?
July 3, 2005 - 11:12 AM on July 3rd, 2005
16-You always seem to forget that this started as Boycott Hollywood. And this is not my show. I posted a topic, and that is what we are discussing.
As for Oprah- She does a lot of good in this world. I have no idea what her politics are. She has discussed Africa quite a bit. She shows Africa as a whole, the good and the bad.
July 3, 2005 - 11:44 AM on July 3rd, 2005
You wanna solve problems… let all the people in Africa that wants to fight and kill their own people in one country,,,, givem all 2 pints of whiskey and a butcher knife, and let the rest of the continent live in peace.
July 3, 2005 - 11:47 AM on July 3rd, 2005
18
can we use the same tactic in Iraq?
that may be the stupidest thing i’ve heard today with the exception of pcd earlier.
July 3, 2005 - 11:51 AM on July 3rd, 2005
Shiloh,,, what exactly is you socialist dream for helping Africa? Im listening..
July 3, 2005 - 12:12 PM on July 3rd, 2005
education, scholarships, birth control, stop aids. stop selling weapons for the seemingly endless & countless ‘civil wars’.
giving money is a never ending pit - any money given has to be watched as a mother hen watches her chicks. the leaders are corrupt & the people suffer.
-The West should invest in Africa and help them develop the agriculture sector and factories. look at India. it’s poor, overpopulated, and underdeveloped, but it produces enough to support itself.
shit, if they only had oil, we’d be more motivated, dontcha think?
July 3, 2005 - 12:41 PM on July 3rd, 2005
on the oil,,, I agree.
The rest,,, WHO is going to pay for it?
Me? NO
You? Your decision.
July 3, 2005 - 12:44 PM on July 3rd, 2005
Forgive debt? Humm,,, I would like some of my debt to be forgive. However, what lesson would I learn from that?
July 3, 2005 - 12:59 PM on July 3rd, 2005
John-”The rest,,, WHO is going to pay for it?
Me? NO
You? Your decision.
Forgive debt? Humm,,, I would like some of my debt to be forgive. However, what lesson would I learn from that?”
sounds like not just entertainers are ’selfish’
July 3, 2005 - 01:02 PM on July 3rd, 2005
if the richer countries don’t pay for it now they’re gonna pay for it later.
with great wealth comes great responsibilities. it’s not good international politics to write off entire continents.
besides that, there’s an amazing wealth of untapped natural resources for you Republican thieves to plunder (did i say that out loud?.
we intervened in ethnic cleansing situations before.
Burundi, the Sudan, the Central African Republic have suffered it. just like the Brits did in Australia to the indigenous people, like we did here with the Long Walk of the Navajo and the Trail of Tears, which was the forced removal of the Cherokee tribe that led to the deaths of about 2,000 to 8,000 people , like Hitler, like East Timor and Papua, like the Yugoslav wars, like Spain’s large Muslim minority what was expelled in 1502 and 1609–1614, history is littered with people hating other people for all kinds of reasons.
what’s different about America is we’re supposed to stand for something. something that separates us from the horror of our own and others past.
why does Africa not deserve intervention when Kosovo did?
July 3, 2005 - 01:27 PM on July 3rd, 2005
To his great credit, Mr. Bush has been more attentive to the problems of Africa than his recent predecessors. He has increased overall assistance, stepped up spending on H.I.V./AIDS programs and created the Millennium Challenge Account to reward Africa’s best-governed countries. Last week he promised further increases, including a program to fight malaria, and new teacher training and scholarship money to help girls attend school.
But so far there has been a discouraging gap between Mr. Bush’s generous declarations and the money Washington has actually made available to Africa. The White House has failed to push the Republican-controlled Congress to fully finance Mr. Bush’s aid programs and failed to spur its own aid appointees to get the money flowing to where it is most urgently needed……
more
July 3, 2005 - 04:31 PM on July 3rd, 2005
Shiloh,,, I have told you before that I am not a republican…. I can stomach republicans more than the RECYCLED MARXISM of the demokrat party.
tofu, your name says it all for me, you want to call me selfish,,, thats ok with me, but I don’t look down my nose at others telling them that they should be taxed to help people that don’t have the will nor determination to help themselves,,, around the world or domestic.
July 3, 2005 - 04:33 PM on July 3rd, 2005
How about robbing people of their money before they can even cash their checks for services rendered…. to pay for the deadbeats of the world…. thats robbery.:roll:
July 3, 2005 - 05:03 PM on July 3rd, 2005
John Galt- My name says it all? Let me guess, I suppose you think that means I drink lattes, drive a volvo, wear birkenstocks, eat sushi, and voted for Howard Dean? Some of those are true, others are not.
Unlike you try to would proclaim, only a small percentage of the economically disadvantaged found themselves there by choice. Speaking as someone who lived out of his car(not a volvo) for a month, I’d ask that before you demonize the poor, perhaps you should get your facts in check.
The taxes you pay are your ‘membership dues’ for living in a prosperous nation. Some of the membership dues are redistributed in various forms to those who have been less fortunate than you. It’s as simple as that. Welfare, medicare, medicaid, social security — these are safety net programs, not entitlement programs. If you ‘fall’ someday, those programs will be waiting to catch you– so you don’t starve to death like the kids in Africa.
July 3, 2005 - 10:42 PM on July 3rd, 2005
tofu- how is it anyones fault but your own that you lived in a car for a month?
July 3, 2005 - 10:53 PM on July 3rd, 2005
NOW Peejz,,,, he was oppressed,,, most likely the MAN did it to him.
I have noticed that people who blame others for all their ills in life are the losers in life’s game… they never go anywhere. You know liberals and how it is not in their nature to have personal responsibility…
I feel venomous tonight..:evil:
July 3, 2005 - 10:56 PM on July 3rd, 2005
Africa needs more capitalism, not more charity
July 3, 2005 - 10:59 PM on July 3rd, 2005
Peejz: “Tofu- how is it anyones fault but your own that you lived in a car for a month?”
Bad luck? Bad circumstances? Got dumped on by real life/reality? I was able to bounce back, thanks to, in part, welfare and the tools put in place by our government.
Nobody deserves to be pissed on for being born into the wrong family, being born in the wrong country, or being being born with mental/physical disablities. I learned this from walking on both sides of the tracks.
In 2004, I donated the maximums to my candidate(s) and party of choice.
July 3, 2005 - 11:01 PM on July 3rd, 2005
33-So basically you are making excuses.
July 3, 2005 - 11:06 PM on July 3rd, 2005
32-That is but one of many things they need. They have resources and they have a constant stream of giving. The real problems are not being addressed.
July 3, 2005 - 11:58 PM on July 3rd, 2005
Peejz- “So basically you are making excuses.”
No excuses. Bad shit happens to good people. I have more personal drive than most, so I overcame. But I don’t piss on those who were born without all my strengths. I ‘respect’ them all because they are my fellow human beings.
We are not all stamped from the same mold– if we were, this would be a very boring world to live in.
July 4, 2005 - 12:07 AM on July 4th, 2005
Just to show my hands are open…
http://www.myrem.com
is my website.
My name is James Patrick Barry from Cleveland Ohio.
July 4, 2005 - 07:28 AM on July 4th, 2005
5, tofu, I’m just pointing out that American “celebs” don’t do jack unless they are “Shown the money”.
Tufu, you like lady shiloh running eagle dummy, get big dreams fueled by other people’s money. Other than bloviating, show us what you can do using only your own resources, and don’t call others selfish until you break your habit of spending their money for them.
July 4, 2005 - 07:30 AM on July 4th, 2005
32, What Africa needs is a complete house cleaning of their governments starting with Robert Mugabe. I notice even in this thread billionaire Teresa Heinz Kerry gets a pass for doing nothing and she’s a native of Africa.
July 4, 2005 - 07:33 AM on July 4th, 2005
39- All I was pointing out in the thread was Live Aid 8 and celebrities getting gift baskets.
July 4, 2005 - 07:38 AM on July 4th, 2005
36-Great that you overcame your bad luck, but in 29, you state that many of them do not end up there by choice. I believe you are wrong and you realy did nothing to disprove that.
July 4, 2005 - 07:38 AM on July 4th, 2005
36- If you are going to take from this site, please give it the proper credit and get the name correct.
July 4, 2005 - 11:38 AM on July 4th, 2005
37, Tofu is a typical Liberal/Progressive troll. He can’t cite properly, so he steals. If you want to disagree with him, he bars you from his site. What a piece of excretment.
July 4, 2005 - 01:18 PM on July 4th, 2005
Peejz - “All was pointing out in the thread was Live Aid 8 and celebrities getting gift baskets.”
Yes, the poorly written AP story. It showed they were given gift baskets by companies who wanted to support the event. Nothing here suggested that they were a required ‘incentive’ to get them to perform nor did the article suggest which artists accepted or refused the gifts. The article is an example of shoddy journalism; the author should go back to school.
July 4, 2005 - 01:21 PM on July 4th, 2005
also, from the nature of the ‘gifts’, all the items would appear to have been given for use during the concert. It is, of course, customary for celebs to get to keep the items after use.
July 4, 2005 - 01:24 PM on July 4th, 2005
“Tofu is a typical Liberal/Progressive troll. He can’t cite properly, so he steals. If you want to disagree with him, he bars you from his site. What a piece of excretment.”
Very infrequent is anyone ‘barred’ from the site, and certainly never for political views. You’d have to spill hate-speech or something that would be extremely offensive to the majority.
I ’stole’ nothing.
July 4, 2005 - 01:28 PM on July 4th, 2005
Its kind of like those who went to south africa a few years back for their earth summit 2 and they traveled in their lear jets and limos and stayed to five star air conditioned hotels then they were there yammering about global warming and O-Zone holes and the eco-freaks were there whinning about the rainforests what a bunch of hypotcrits> and well they got a pretty bad treatment by many the eco-wackos were literly wrecked:razz:
July 4, 2005 - 01:55 PM on July 4th, 2005
“Tofu is a typical Liberal/Progressive troll.”
I just figured out what is wrong with this statement. If I was a ‘typical troll’, I would have maintained my anonymity.
You may not agree with some/all of my views, but I value inteligent dialog/debate. If this site is solely for cheerleading the ‘right’, I’ll leave. Heaven knows there is already too many partisan cheerleading sites (ie. dailykos, freerepublic, etc).
I only arrived here to defend Live 8 after the condemnation here based on a trivial and weak AP story.
July 4, 2005 - 10:04 PM on July 4th, 2005
46, tofu, you can’t properly cite stuff you use on your site, you stole it.
Also, show us where you allow any dissent to your views on your site. You don’t.
July 5, 2005 - 01:11 AM on July 5th, 2005
PCD-”Also, show us where you allow any dissent to your views on your site. You don’t.”
Huh? I may challange oposing views with my own commentary, but I certainly don’t kick people off or otherwise censor their views.
While the site is primarily for fans of a music group, there are discussions, sometimes very heated, with regards to topics like Iraq/Bush/Gay Marriage/Israel/global warming/Terri, etc.
If your claim to no dissenting views is based on the main home/landing page of the site which does not include any pro-Bush/pro-Iraq/pro-right-wing commentary, that is by design. The political/policy debates are left in the current events and political forms. (except when the band is promoting a cause)
Anyway, here is a ‘dissenter’ from yesterday:
http://www.myrem.com/showthread.php?t=14445
(Post #7)
But overall, there is not much dissent simply because the R.E.M fan community is largely liberal leaning–which follows due to the band’s left political views.
July 5, 2005 - 05:44 AM on July 5th, 2005
51, tofu, you still can’t justify not giving proper citation for the material you lifted from ehere. Your little Liberal/Progressive ego can’t stand being honest? You’ve been here several times, yet fail to make the correction on your own website. You are demonstrating a not honest character.
July 5, 2005 - 06:13 AM on July 5th, 2005
PCD- “you still can’t justify not giving proper citation for the material you lifted from ehere. Your little Liberal/Progressive ego can’t stand being honest? You’ve been here several times, yet fail to make the correction on your own website. You are demonstrating a not honest character.”
Honest? It was an honest mistake… Besides, do you really want a bunch of “typical Liberal/Progressive troll[s]” invading this site?
July 5, 2005 - 07:25 AM on July 5th, 2005
54, tofu, we can hold our own. It is you “libs” that can’t behave yourselves or face reality.
July 5, 2005 - 02:15 PM on July 5th, 2005
PCD- “tofu, we can hold our own. It is you “libs” that can’t behave yourselves or face reality.”
Are you just saying any old crap that comes to mind in order to be insulting or convincing to you?
July 5, 2005 - 06:40 PM on July 5th, 2005
whats tofu’s obsession with peter puffers, and pillow biters? Yuck!